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When to throw the red flag

Ike Kelly said:
The Chin was great during his time in Pitt, but to clarify bluntly 4 of those 5 playoff games came from being a last seed in 2005 SB year. He only won one more playoff game during those other two seasons.


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Ya want to compare Cowher's record with Ben vs Tomlin's? Its not even close. Also Cowher owns a win over hoodie in the playoffs. Tomlin is owned by that man.

Tomlin's last two playoff wins came thanks to playing a back up QB ( Miami ), and the Benglas stupidity. Mikey is 3-6 in his last nine tries for the playoffs. Try those sunglasses on for size, Ike.
 
Learn to read genius. I was clarifying Cowher’s playoff record with Ben.

As for your generalization worldview, Chin only played Belichick as a NE coach 3 times, before he retired with a 1-2 record against him. Tomlin is 2-6. But anyone’s record against Belichick is irrelevant due to his cheating.

As for the wins against Miami and Bungles, so what? it was against a back up QB and Cincinnati being Who they are. You make it sound like that Tomlin orchestrated Miami using a backup or Lewis losing control of his players.

Quit worrying about giving sunglasses to everyone who owns you, and get yourself a pair of reading glasses. Tool.


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Coach said:
Ya want to compare Cowher's record with Ben vs Tomlin's? Its not even close. Also Cowher owns a win over hoodie in the playoffs. Tomlin is owned by that man.

Tomlin's last two playoff wins came thanks to playing a back up QB ( Miami ), and the Benglas stupidity. Mikey is 3-6 in his last nine tries for the playoffs. Try those sunglasses on for size, Ike.
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This site shows one win over the *'s in the playoffs. 1997. Hoodie was hired in 2000. Am i missing another win in the playoffs?

When i looked a couple years ago, cowher had beaten the hoodie/brady combo once. All those great teams and players couldn't get it done. SBWHCMVLT has been able to do it........once. well twice if you count the blatant robbery.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/playoffs.htm


During that Bengals meltdown, wasn't it Tomlin's team that was disciplined enough not to offset that?

Again, you cant, reasonably compare 3 years to 11 and expect to get statistically significant results.
 
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Vader said:
Strange that now it's year 1 AND 2. When before it was just year ONE. Nice gloss over. I guess it's hard to admit when you're wrong so you just bypass the fact and keep the same argument like it didn't happen. Switzer won a SB PERIOD! He has EXACTLY the same number of SBs that Tomlin has and he only coached 4 years. Same with Gruden. You act as if the Steelers aren't a better run organization. TB has never done anything before or after Gruden.

Also YOU brought up the pats** not me. Now of course you don't want to talk about playoff outcomes because it defeats your argument. Tomlin has lost only once to the pats*** because he's played them only once. They aren't the reason he's sucked in the playoffs the past 10 years.

Also Seifert is way above Tomlin. He won 2 SB in 8 years. He only coached 8. He missed the playoffs just once with a 10-6 record. Never lost more than 6 games. Won double digit games every year. He knew how to use a HOF QB. And he actually had to contend with Dallas in it's prime. He had the number 1 offense 5 out of his 8 years. Please...
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Hell they didn't do much with Gruden. He was a roller coaster coach. Winning season, losing season, winning season, losing season, out of the league.

You're the one glossing over Tomlin's regular season record. Second only to Shula. FACT.
 
Vader said:
Under Tomlin the team went 8-8 and then the next year went 11-5.. why? They went 12-4 one year then 8-8 back to back years. Why? Same players but different results. So why is it horrible for Cowher but no problem for Tomlin? Tomlin won with almost all of Cowher's players. Period. He had a HOF DC, established OC and a HOF QB. Deny all you want but it's true.
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In 2010 that argument doesn't hold as much water, and the only caveat is an INT returned for a TD, and a Mendenhall fumble...
 
Coach said:
Ya want to compare Cowher's record with Ben vs Tomlin's? Its not even close. Also Cowher owns a win over hoodie in the playoffs. Tomlin is owned by that man.

Tomlin's last two playoff wins came thanks to playing a back up QB ( Miami ), and the Benglas stupidity. Mikey is 3-6 in his last nine tries for the playoffs. Try those sunglasses on for size, Ike.
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Hoodie coached for Cleveland at the time...
 
Tomlin has beaten the *s 2x while hoodie was their coach. Cowher, only once.
 
Cope said:
Hell they didn't do much with Gruden. He was a roller coaster coach. Winning season, losing season, winning season, losing season, out of the league.

You're the one glossing over Tomlin's regular season record. Second only to Shula. FACT.
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You can't stick to one point. I understand that. First you come up with this myth that both Gruden and Switzer both won in their first years so they don't compare to Tomlin. When that didn't work because it isn't true then you go to "Well Tomlin is like Seifert". After that has been shown to be another swing and a miss you just totally ignore it and go on to "Well Gruden was a ROLLER COASTER coach". What ever the **** that means. Just another diversion because you haven't said a single that that has been true. So please just stop.

Second. I never mentioned Tomlin's regular season because I don't give a ****. As a matter of fact I could probably find a statement from you calling the bungles Regular season champs or disparaging them for not winning in the playoffs. Nobody gives a damn about regular seasons finishes... My guess is you don't either. Just another lame, fruitless attempt to justify another iniquitous stance.
 
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In 2010 that argument doesn't hold as much water, and the only caveat is an INT returned for a TD, and a Mendenhall fumble...
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Don't give me "IF this then this" excuses. IF Harrison doesn't make that 100 yard return then he is 0-2 in SBs. It goes both ways and proves nothing.
 
We came out flat and unprepared in that Super Bowl, a Tomlin staple, and were down 14-0 in the 1st quarter once again Some things never change with the moron.
 
Steelers12 said:
We came out flat and unprepared in that Super Bowl, a Tomlin staple, and were down 14-0 in the 1st quarter once again Some things never change with the moron.
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Thought you were done.
 
ark steel said:
14-0 after a pick 6....******* tomlin.
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We came out flat and unprepared. During the game the packers lost some starting DBs and of course Tomlin did not target their replacements, stating after the game we do not change our game plan. Unbelievably stupid comment from a man that makes a ton of dumb comments.
 
Shula was much much much better than Tomlin in his first 11 years. He coached in an era where every season was only 14 games and he had a won loss record of 117-32-5 with 2 Super Bowl wins, a perfect season and a season where he went 11-1-2 and did NOT make the playoffs. He also took over a bad Miami team that had never had a winning record and went 46-9-1 with them. He also never had a losing season and never had a .500 season of which Tomlin had 3. Tomlin is 116-60, 1 less win and 28 more losses than Shula so by trying to say he is second to him by only 1 win is a huge mischaracterization of their 1st 11 seasons.
 
Steelers12 said:
We came out flat and unprepared. During the game the packers lost some starting DBs and of course Tomlin did not target their replacements, stating after the game we do not change our game plan. Unbelievably stupid comment from a man that makes a ton of dumb comments.
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Was Tomlin throwing the ball, or Ben. You do know, when a play is called it isn't, "Ok, everyone go out, no matter what, im throwing to Bob.". Right? The QB could throw to the guy being covered by the new people. Right?

In any event, it is absolutely, ******* hilarious that you blame tomlin for them being down 14-0, when the 2nd td was a pick six (not even Ben's fault). Almost as funny as Coach and his "cowher has a PO win vs hoodie", when it was when hoodie was with the browns.

Honestly, i have to agree with you. Calling a pick 6 like that so deep in your own end zone? What a dumbass. Can you believe COWHERS PLAYERS came out flat?
 
Steelers12 said:
Shula was much much much better than Tomlin in his first 11 years. He coached in an era where every season was only 14 games and he had a won loss record of 117-32-5 with 2 Super Bowl wins, a perfect season and a season where he went 11-1-2 and did NOT make the playoffs. He also took over a bad Miami team that had never had a winning record and went 46-9-1 with them. He also never had a losing season and never had a .500 season of which Tomlin had 3. Tomlin is 116-60, 1 less win and 28 more losses than Shula so by trying to say he is second to him by only 1 win is a huge mischaracterization of their 1st 11 seasons.
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And hsd TWO HoF QBs doing all that work for him.
 
Ben is a world better than the mediocre Griese and yet still Shula destroys Tomlin by any metric. Griese won by throwing 10 passes a game.
 
ark steel said:
Was Tomlin throwing the ball, or Ben. You do know, when a play is called it isn't, "Ok, everyone go out, no matter what, im throwing to Bob.". Right? The QB could throw to the guy being covered by the new people. Right?

In any event, it is absolutely, ******* hilarious that you blame tomlin for them being down 14-0, when the 2nd td was a pick six (not even Ben's fault). Almost as funny as Coach and his "cowher has a PO win vs hoodie", when it was when hoodie was with the browns.

Honestly, i have to agree with you. Calling a pick 6 like that so deep in your own end zone? What a dumbass. Can you believe COWHERS PLAYERS came out flat?
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It's never Tomlin's fault yet he has a history of coming out flat and unprepared and having HIS team get down 14 tp 21 points in the 1st quarter, damn the moron has bad luck/ He never changes and never learns from his many ,mistakes and yet morons like you love the guy and can't find fault with his mediocre coaching. Again enjoy the **** show we are under him, 3 playoff wins in 8 years and 2 were against backup QBs, extend the moron.
 
By the way, is it ever Tomlin's fault for the many many games we are down 14 to 21 points in the 1st quarter ? Couldn't be his awful game plans, his lack of motivational skills for which he get way too much credit . Motivated teams don;t come out flat and play down to the competition as much as we do and they sure don;t lose to the dregs of the league as often as Tomlin does, his record against teams with under a .200 winning percentage is beyond awful.
 
Steelers12 said:
It's never Tomlin's fault yet he has a history of coming out flat and unprepared and having HIS team get down 14 tp 21 points in the 1st quarter, damn the moron has bad luck/ He never changes and never learns from his many ,mistakes and yet morons like you love the guy and can't find fault with his mediocre coaching. Again enjoy the **** show we are under him, 3 playoff wins in 8 years and 2 were against backup QBs, extend the moron.
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You can debate without the personal insults.
 
Steelers12 said:
It's never Tomlin's fault yet he has a history of coming out flat and unprepared and having HIS team get down 14 tp 21 points in the 1st quarter, damn the moron has bad luck/ He never changes and never learns from his many ,mistakes and yet morons like you love the guy and can't find fault with his mediocre coaching. Again enjoy the **** show we are under him, 3 playoff wins in 8 years and 2 were against backup QBs, extend the moron.
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I didn't say it was never Tomlin's fault. Just making fun of your ridiculous BS about him being the reason that we were down 14-0. Steelers had the ball 2x in the first quarter and about 1.5 min longer than GB.

He only got there with Cowhers players, but when they were down 14-0 it is his fault cowhers players came out flat. Which is it? Why would Cowher players need him to do anything except stand around?
 
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