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Sean Davis 3rd Forrest Gump moment

Why do I need to show you other boards. We know there are 31 other teams. Why does the cowboys board matter. Please don't say because the nailed Prescott and Elliot. They also took your boy Gregory in the second last year and spent a high pick on Clairborne. Oh it matters cause their board reflects your opinion on Davis so it's now the Bible..

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I'm showing you the one we can see. Most experts such as Mayock, or whoever did not have Davis in round two.

Gregory has the ability, you just did not know how bad his substance abuse problem was.

But back to point, show me who had a better draft than Dallas in 2015. I predict you won't either reply back or find one.

As for the OL rebuild, Dallas nailed it.

2014, guard Martin Pro bowl. By the way, this is who I would have picked.

2013 center Fedrick. Pro Bowl

2011 left tackle Bryant, Pro Bowl

2010 draft, Wr Bryant, and Lb Lee.

Yeah, they miss some, but they have a lot of home runs.... Picking a pro bowl player for 5 of the past six drafts is very rare.
 
stats without context are meaningless, which is the point I have made all along. You are way to full of yourself.

No, they are not, but if you want to throw out stats and shift to game defining blunders...plays where a score happens, Davis has a dubious lead for bad ones. Better?

I not only listed stats, I put context with them at times. You just fail to acknowledged or see them.

PS: With the injuries at WR, Maybe we should see what Ayers can do?
 
No, they are not, but if you want to throw out stats and shift to game defining blunders...plays where a score happens, Davis has a dubious lead for bad ones. Better?

I not only listed stats, I put context with them at times. You just fail to acknowledged or see them.

PS: With the injuries at WR, Maybe we should see what Ayers can do?

Yes they are, in this thread, and the other, where you use the passes defended stat, you do not add that Davis has been targeted very few times. You just try to say since an LB also has one pass defended that means Davis sucks. It is just your way of "supporting" your opinions. You latch onto stats that sound bad unless the reader knows the details behind it. You rarely, if ever, add the context to the stats you quote, when you are hell bent on trying to convince everyone someone sucks.
 
Cooch - Dallas and the rest of the NFL passed on Dak until he was finally selected with a Compensatory Selection at the end of the 4th Round. He was essentially a 5th round pick since only 4 guys separated him from dropping even further. Even then, the Cowboys selected him out of a position of need. If you look back at the draft - objectively, which is difficult for you to do - there's not a lot separating Dak from anyone selected immediately after him. In fact, with that OL, you could put many QBs back there to hand off to Ezekiel and be fine.

Antdrewjosh is correct. You HATED the Burns pick. Lamented it as one of the worst ever, even saying we could have had him in the second round. Now you're riding the kid's jock.

Davis was picked out of being the BAA on the board. The only other guys who would have fit would be Darrian Thompson or Shilique Calhoun (whom i thought we should take). Fact is, we needed playmakers in the secondary. We had/have glaring weaknesses back there and with Davis' ability to play either S or CB, he had a lot of value to our coaches at that point. He has size and speed. He may have needed more coaching at ONE position instead of being flipped and flopped between S and CB for the duration of his college career.

You know, kinda like how Burns played solely CB and was a first round pick because of it. Though some geniuses felt that Burns would be there in the 2nd.
 
on the blocked punt, Golden was behind the LOS and says something to Davis, like he had on other punts. Davis releases downfield and Golden moved up behind the center instead of blocking the guy over Davis. Either one of them messed up or there was some kind of miscommunication between the two. without being in the Special Team meetings, we are not going to know the answer to that.

Davis started off looking terrible as a tackler, but has improved immensely as the season progressed and had a good stop on Elliot in the Dallas game.

The face mask penalty was a bad one, but it was not even close to being as obvious of a call as the one missed a play or two earlier.
 
on the blocked punt, Golden was behind the LOS and says something to Davis, like he had on other punts. Davis releases downfield and Golden moved up behind the center instead of blocking the guy over Davis. Either one of them messed up or there was some kind of miscommunication between the two. without being in the Special Team meetings, we are not going to know the answer to that.

Davis started off looking terrible as a tackler, but has improved immensely as the season progressed and had a good stop on Elliot in the Dallas game.

The face mask penalty was a bad one, but it was not even close to being as obvious of a call as the one missed a play or two earlier.

I've already posted the link where the coach took the blame for that block punt. But he will ignore it and continue to solely blame Davis. Just like the facemask cost us the cowboys game. Smh. Cause giving up 2 huge plays on 2 and 18(screen to Elliot) and 3rd and 11(bomb to Bryant) didn't play a part in us losing
 
to be fair, before being born Sean Davis had communicated the idea of "new" Coke.
so he's been a **** up his whole life.
 
Um, sometimes safeties cover WR's by themselves, particularly in cover three. And sometimes they cover tight ends by themselves. But I'm sure Coolie knows that.

Burns has a lot of PD's because he plays the ball well when it in the air.

Davis played 38 games in college and had 5 interceptions. He also had 14 PD's in 38 games played. Not great.

But two seasons Daivs only had 3 PDs. Not exactly the mark of a ball hawk, and of course it's easier to break up passes vs College ACC and Big Ten QB's

Burns had six interceptions in his last season alone and was rotated.

It's not hard to see who has the better ball skills in college or the pro's Its Burns.


As to the quiet day comment, Clevland threw it 41 times. Hardly quiet for a DB, their QB's suck and were highly pressured.

Um..yes...Safeties cover WR, TE, RB, and even OT eligible players on occasion, and Cover 3 is used when a personnel package dictates it. Which requires coverage by a safety, when a 10 personnel is used. Or even more so with a 11 group, 20 group, 01 or 02 personnel. Better yet safeties always isolated when they go to Spike's favorite personnel group...Zero/Zero.....or "Five Wide Baby:". But rest assured when offenses come out in a base 11 or 12 formation, the CB's will be single with the receivers ALWAYS. Therefore, more opportunities on play action or drop back in those formations.

The point is, you apparently don't understand defensive formations, the player positions themselves, or how they are used based on what the offense shows before and after the snap, and what the down/distance is.

BTW, Davis played in 44 games in college not 38. Yes you are right he also had 14 PD's. But not 3 in two years. If you actually do research, like check a player's stats, you would notice that Davis had 8 of those 14 PD''s in his Jr. year when he was switched to CB.

AND if you want to impress your knowledge about something....which you don''t,because you only rely on your own biased opinions, explain this. .....Do you know how many PD's Artie Burns had in college? 14. That's right he had 14. The same number as the "not great" Davis. So the not so great 'ball hawk" had the exact amount of PD's in his college career as Artie. Just so you understand, the term "ball hawk" is used for interceptions not PD's. Golson was considered a ball hawk coming out of Ole Miss (he had measly 6 picks and only 11 PDs)...but we can't say anything yet about him....because he hasn't hit the field.

Let me also enrich your limited knowledge about each players stats in college (which doesn't mean anything while both players are in the NFL). Davis had 5 INTs in college, 3 in his final year. Burns, had 7. 6 in his final 12 games as a senior (but had 1 in his previous 22 games). So he had 3 more playing CB, while Davis was playing Safety/CB in his final year. One final informative tidbit for you....Davis had 5 forced fumbles (7 total in college), Artie had none (1 total in college). So an argument could be had that Davis was more of a turnover machine than Burns was.

Cleveland threw 41 times and completed 21 for 246 yards. There were only 6 PDs from the entire secondary. Davis had one, Burns had 2. Ben was 23/36 for 167 with only 2 PD by Cleveland. Yeah....the DB's had a very productive day in swirling 40+ gusting winds that all QB's would love to throw the ball all over the place. Only reason Cleveland threw for almost 250 is because they had their rushing attack eliminated to only 33 yards on 12 carries....

So in your own words...."Its not hard to see" you have no idea what you are talking about sometimes and especially in regards to your viewpoint on Davis. His ball skills in college were comparable from a stat sheet standpoint. From a tackling standpoint Burns had 93, Davis had, hold your breath....319 tackles (221 solos). But this can't be right, because Davis is such a lousy tackler. So everyone else in the world is wrong and you are right.

How about to just admit you don't like the kid and agree to disagree with everyone else and stop trying to justify your dislike by non-existent data you think is out there.

BTW Coolie already knows about defensive formations, player positions and how they are used schematically. Even more so than me I would gather. He's even tried to spell out for you on thousands of occasions, but you can't see past your own biased agenda on bashing Davis to prove something you are not.
 
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What other boards can you show me?. This is the sample

As for the Cowboys, I think they nailed the Prescot, and Elliot picks and built a powerful OL through the draft. They have two potential rookies of the year. Is there a better rookie class in the NFL? Not likely...

Although the above is true, you can take almost any team and find a draft where they had good picks (except for Cleveland ;-) That doesn't, in itself, prove they are a team with superior draft prowess. Where was Tom Brady on their board? A pick here or there doesn't prove much of anything. But, no doubt they knocked 2016 out of the park. Not only are Dak and Elliott possible rookie of the year picks, but Dak is looking like a potential NFL MVP of the year pick. How is that for a 4th round rookie?
 
I see nothing wrong with assessing Davis as a 5th rounder if he was only going to be used as a CB. With his height to weight to speed ratio, and the fact that he was a tackling machine in college, I understand why he was taken as a 2nd round Safety with the ability to help out in certain slot/CB instances.
 
I see nothing wrong with assessing Davis as a 5th rounder if he was only going to be used as a CB. With his height to weight to speed ratio, and the fact that he was a tackling machine in college, I understand why he was taken as a 2nd round Safety with the ability to help out in certain slot/CB instances.
Exactly Cope maybe the Cowboys viewed him as CB prospect. No one knows that but that is a pretty important thing to know.

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Well yeah, coach's opinion after the draft was that artie burns was a huge reach just like Davis, even making threads about the rookie gettig toasted by Antonio Brown in training camp, big ******* surprise, the best WR in the league taking a rookie to school ...in practice where there's no real pass rush against the QB...

But burns progress doesnt fit his agenda so lets attack the other rook because I need to be right somewhere.
 
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I'm showing you the one we can see. Most experts such as Mayock, or whoever did not have Davis in round two.

Gregory has the ability, you just did not know how bad his substance abuse problem was.

But back to point, show me who had a better draft than Dallas in 2015. I predict you won't either reply back or find one.

As for the OL rebuild, Dallas nailed it.

2014, guard Martin Pro bowl. By the way, this is who I would have picked.

2013 center Fedrick. Pro Bowl

2011 left tackle Bryant, Pro Bowl

2010 draft, Wr Bryant, and Lb Lee.

Yeah, they miss some, but they have a lot of home runs.... Picking a pro bowl player for 5 of the past six drafts is very rare.

Coach....get you head out of the dirt and READ. Mayock, or whoever?

Here is Mayock, who I admire a heck of alot and knows what he is talking about in player assessment.

His final listing on the players the morning before the draft...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...e-mayocks-2016-nfl-draft-position-rankings-50

Just in case you can't access the site.....here is his Safety listing (NOT CB, as you like to compare Davis to, because Mayock didn't). He was listed in his top 5.

Safeties

1. Karl Joseph, West Virginia
2. Vonn Bell, Ohio State
3. Keanu Neal, Florida
4. KeiVarae Russell, Notre Dame
5. Sean Davis, Maryland

Rise: Neal (4), Davis (NR)
Fall: Russell (3), Justin Simmons, Boston College (5)

Now, just read and this and think a minute before you respond. Which we know you will because you just love to hear people talk about you. That 5000 post number is getting close, but if won't be for quality posting.
 
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Hey Pop, here are your comments on the football only board. I will let the masses make up their own minds regarding your dialogue.

Your original post cited in your opinion 6 reasons. For brevity, I only included #6 (the first 5 were plausible to some extent)



Of note, the NFL paid BACK the DOD what they received from the various armed services. You neglected to mention that.

The following poster made his opinion known about your comments on #6.



Then you, while on the Football Only Board, responded:



Yes, this is pure Football Only Board material you are discussing in detail.

Then, you add this ridiculous notion, sandwiched between actual football only board commentary.



The poster later responded to your insults stating:



Of which you followed with this "obvious" Football Only Board criticism.....



Your assertion that many fans are fed up with the "NFL shoving the military down our throats" is biased, as well as purely subjective in your opinion. Of which most here on this board have shown they don't agree. So before you make accusations of people being a liar, or trying to be "hot stuff"(sounds more like what you attempt to do when trying to sound intelligent but fail spectacularly) take a long look at yourself in the mirror, Pokey.

(smirk) You spent all this time on this one of many points made, in the football only board?

Someone please explain irony to this kid.

I stand behind every assertion made, as they stand. And none of it disrespects anyone but those who pursued the immoral wars; the troops are the victims of those scumbags, not the genesis of the illegal wars. Get it straight. The Founding Fathers roll in their graves re: these corrupt wars.
 
Coach....get you head out of the dirt and READ. Mayock, or whoever?

Here is Mayock, who I admire a heck of alot and knows what he is talking about in player assessment.

His final listing on the players the morning before the draft...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...e-mayocks-2016-nfl-draft-position-rankings-50

Just in case you can't access the site.....here is his Safety listing (NOT CB, as you like to compare Davis to, because Mayock didn't). He was listed in his top 5.

Safeties

1. Karl Joseph, West Virginia
2. Vonn Bell, Ohio State
3. Keanu Neal, Florida
4. KeiVarae Russell, Notre Dame
5. Sean Davis, Maryland

Rise: Neal (4), Davis (NR)
Fall: Russell (3), Justin Simmons, Boston College (5)

Now, just read and this and think a minute before you respond. Which we know you will because you just love to hear people talk about you. That 5000 post number is getting close, but if won't be for quality posting.

And Russell was drafted in the 3rd round, listed ahead of Davis, who Steelers took in the 2nd. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
(smirk) You spent all this time on this one of many points made, in the football only board?

Someone please explain irony to this kid

I stand behind every assertion made, as they stand. And none of it disrespects anyone but those who pursued the immoral wars; the troops are the victims of those scumbags, not the genesis of the illegal wars. Get it straight. The Founding Fathers roll in their graves re: these corrupt wars.

Wasn't much time, it only took a few minutes.....Justin has done a fantastic job of getting this board user friendly with its many accessories and time saving tools. No credit to you of course, still seem you are unable to find the contribution button in between the thousands of posts and threads you create.

The only irony that needs explaining is how someone claims they weren't discussing non-football related subject matter on a football only board, but then proceeds to stands by his statements about non-football related subject matter on the football only board.

Last response about this non football related topic to this clueless tool Coolie,....promise.
 
And Russell was drafted in the 3rd round, listed ahead of Davis, who Steelers took in the 2nd. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

And waived by the Chiefs after their first game.....picked up by the Bengals, and hasn't played a snap for either club.

Neal was drafted in the 1st (3 picks after Joseph), who is listed below Bell who was drafted in the 2nd 3 picks after Davis. Your point being?

So hmmmmmmmmmmmm....some more. If it makes you warm and fuzzy......in your own mind.
 
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Sean Davis has had an up-down-season. He began the year as the starting slot corner, got benched, moved back to safety, and has slowly been chipping away at playing time.

Yesterday, he ate the entire pie, playing every single snap in the win over the Cleveland Browns. Robert Golden was credited for just four snaps, at least two of those coming in goal line packages.

At today’s press conference, Mike Tomlin was asked why Davis was received so much playing time.

“He’s just growing. He’s a young guy who is getting better every week and every day, more specifically. He’s gaining experience through repetition. The more experience he gets, the less mistakes he makes, the more opportunities we give him. It’s really as simple as that.”

While he finished with just two tackles yesterday, he generally played solid football, though he’ll have to learn and show the ability to wrap up when sent on blitzes. He had a crucial miss of Josh McCown on the Browns’ lone touchdown drive yesterday.


>>> Pay no attention to what Tomlin says! It's coachspeak. He puts to use his words " solid " people on the bench.

I actually agree that Davis should get his chance now! Why? Golden, a former rookie free agent isn't playing well. Dangerfield is inactive for games. The last option is the boneheaded and often injured Shamrko Thomas.

My belief is when you have bad veterans in front of you why not play a rookie or younger player to see if he's better.

But Davis need to improve his football iq / instincts, tackling ability ( See it cost us again ) and stop dropping easy interceptions ( he has two dropped iNT's for the season ), or Tomlin's experiment won't go far...but he might stick with it for a long time. See the Jarvis Jones experiment.

-Coach
 
>>> Pay no attention to what Tomlin says! It's coachspeak. He puts to use his words " solid " people on the bench.

I actually agree that Davis should get his chance now! Why? Golden, a former rookie free agent isn't playing well. Dangerfield is inactive for games. The last option is the boneheaded and often injured Shamrko Thomas.

My belief is when you have bad veterans in front of you why not play a rookie or younger player to see if he's better.

But Davis need to improve his football iq / instincts, tackling ability ( See it cost us again ) and stop dropping easy interceptions ( he has two dropped iNT's for the season ), or Tomlin's experiment won't go far...but he might stick with it for a long time. See the Jarvis Jones experiment.

-Coach
How about we just don't pay attention to you

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>>> Pay no attention to what Tomlin says! It's coachspeak. He puts to use his words " solid " people on the bench.

I actually agree that Davis should get his chance now! Why? Golden, a former rookie free agent isn't playing well. Dangerfield is inactive for games. The last option is the boneheaded and often injured Shamrko Thomas.

My belief is when you have bad veterans in front of you why not play a rookie or younger player to see if he's better.

But Davis need to improve his football iq / instincts, tackling ability ( See it cost us again ) and stop dropping easy interceptions ( he has two dropped iNT's for the season ), or Tomlin's experiment won't go far...but he might stick with it for a long time. See the Jarvis Jones experiment.

-Coach

And Burns dropped an even easier one Sunday and misjudged his jump on a lobbed pass that went over his head for a completion on the sideline....so two missed opportunities in one game for Burns....Davis' tackling (as has been pointed out to you) is much improved and Burns had a few misses himself Sunday....
 
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