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Bradshaw on MT

I guess your point is he's great.

Are these great coaches?



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Now see, there you go trying to tell me what I'm saying ... Did I mention "Great"? If I don't think Cowher deserves to be on the "Mount Rushmore" of coaches, I don't think Tomlin deserves to be either. In my mind, they both belong on that second tier of coaches. Bill a little higher until Tomlin wins another SB. Neither of them are great ... both are/were above average.

What I said was that while you say Tomlin won with Cowher's team. That's not exactly true. The team belongs to the guy that's calling the shots. When Tomlin's team won the Super Bowl, he was that guy. Not Cowher.
 
Well, we've got plenty of time. Let's get to it. Can't live in our fears. And if any of you ******* blink before t job is done, I'll cut your eyelids toff :bolt:

We don't live in our fears we live in our mediocrity. The standard is the standard, and the standard is mediocrity.....obviously.
 
Now if he could only be a brilliant coach.

I was a Mikey supporter from day 1. I could no longer support him by the middle of this season, and I said as much here.

Now Steel Vanguard can call me a racist, but anyone who knows me from the "basement" as he calls it knows i'm on the left politically.......so

I do not think Mikey is that great of a coach, "good" as Brad stated is all he is...people here are blinded by the winning streak against mediocre to bad teams. The last two weeks especially have blinded fans to the fact that we struggled against two very weak teams that we should have dominated.

Instead they had to mount two epic comebacks against teams that were neither the 84 Niners or the 2001 Pats.

No one does less with more than Tomlin. To compare him with Cowher ,when Cowher never had a franchise QB is ludicrous.
A six game winning streak is impressive no mattet who it is against especially when a big complaint of Tomlin is that he losses to bad teams. You can't have it both ways.
 
We don't live in our fears we live in our mediocrity. The standard is the standard, and the standard is mediocrity.....obviously.

If you say so Chief ... You go ahead and live in mediocrity. Just remember, Payton could have been the coach; a guy many of y'all pointed to as a better coach than Tomlin as recently as three years ago. Hell, some of y'all wanted Sexy Rexy ... lmao
 
Noll is the only great Head Coach we've had in my life time. The next two are both better than average, but neither of them are all timers in my book.
 
Now see, there you go trying to tell me what I'm saying ... Did I mention "Great"? If I don't think Cowher deserves to be on the "Mount Rushmore" of coaches, I don't think Tomlin deserves to be either. In my mind, they both belong on that second tier of coaches. Bill a little higher until Tomlin wins another SB. Neither of them are great ... both are/were above average.

What I said was that while you say Tomlin won with Cowher's team. That's not exactly true. The team belongs to the guy that's calling the shots. When Tomlin's team won the lowB repuS, he was that guy. Not Cowher.

No Bill is more than a little higher than Tomlin. It's not a question of number of SB wins. Hell Cowher almost had one in 95 over a dominant Cowboy team, and this WITHOUT a franchise QB.....now imagine Tomlin getting to that position without Ben. It's laughable and you know it.

Again Cowher didn't have a franchise QB for almost ALL of his run. Mikey has had him for ALL of his.

Again no one does less with more than Tomlin.
 
Holy Fuckfarts!

I am agreeing with Elfie.
 
No Bill is more than a little higher than Tomlin. (Your opinion. You're entitled to it. Mine, which I'm entitled to, differs). It's not a question of number of SB wins. Hell Cowher almost had one in 95 over a dominant Cowboy team, and this WITHOUT a franchise QB (My thoughts on Cowher's failure to secure even a good QB during this time are well documented. Some of y'all point to his success w/out one as a badge of honor. I consider it a failure to address a need and nothing to be proud of. But again, these are opinions and we are entitled to them)......now imagine Tomlin getting to that position without Ben. It's laughable and you know it. We shall see. Sooner than many of us would like. But, we shall see.

Again Cowher didn't have a franchise QB for almost ALL of his run. Mikey has had him for ALL of his.

Again no one does less with more than Tomlin.

Happy New Year!
 
For the first time ever (I think), I saw MT coaching up players on the sideline DURING a game, which was ironic given my previous post in this thread. If TB's comments compelled MT to actually do some-*******-thing to make an in-game adjustment, then God bless Terry Bradshaw. Hopefully, MT will continue to feel that pressure throughout the playoffs and into the SB. And maybe some of the players who are loyal to MT will step up their game in support of their coach.I hope TB doubles down on those comments this weekend.
 
For the first time ever (I think), I saw MT coaching up players on the sideline DURING a game, which was ironic given my previous post in this thread. If TB's comments compelled MT to actually do some-*******-thing to make an in-game adjustment, then God bless Terry Bradshaw. Hopefully, MT will continue to feel that pressure throughout the playoffs and into the SB. And maybe some of the players who are loyal to MT will step up their game in support of their coach.I hope TB doubles down on those comments this weekend.

Yep, that was the very first time ever that Tomlin has "coached up" players on the sideline during a game ... and it was spurred by Bradshaw's comments. Thank you TB, Tomlin needed your input to get down to some serious coaching after 10 years and over 100 wins. Keep up the good work Mr. Bradshaw.

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Happy New Year!

Happy New Year to you as well and as you put it we'll just have to agree to disagree.

One more thing though:

You can make the argument that it was a failure of Cowher's to not go after a QB in FA or the draft to round out his teams, but his philosophy was that a brutal D combined with a steamroller run game was the recipe.

Now that philosophy lost him 4 AFCCG's iirc?? Once again imagine Tomlin even getting to 4 AFCCG's without Ben.......

As soon as he changed course and got that franchise QB he won a SB. That included a change in philosophy allowing his young QB to go from game manager to throwing the ball more.

Tomlin won the SB with Cowher's team, and any average coach could have done that, including Rex Ryan and Payton. Especially when you are running the former coach's D and have his coordinator on the sideline beside you.

Cowher is one of only two coaches in NFL history to make the playoffs in his first six years (Paul Brown is the other)

Cowher is more than a few notches above Tomlin in my book. Of course Tomlin has six more years to prove us doubters wrong.....I won't be holding my breath.
 
Happy New Year to you as well and as you put it we'll just have to agree to disagree.

One more thing though:

You can make the argument that it was a failure of Cowher's to not go after a QB in FA or the draft to round out his teams, but his philosophy was that a brutal D combined with a steamroller run game was the recipe.

Now that philosophy lost him 4 AFCCG's iirc?? Once again imagine Tomlin even getting to 4 AFCCG's without Ben.......

As soon as he changed course and got that franchise QB he won a SB. That included a change in philosophy allowing his young QB to go from game manager to throwing the ball more.

Tomlin won the SB with Cowher's team, and any average coach could have done that, including Rex Ryan and Payton. Especially when you are running the former coach's D and have his coordinator on the sideline beside you.

Cowher is one of only two coaches in NFL history to make the playoffs in his first six years (Paul Brown is the other)

Cowher is more than a few notches above Tomlin in my book. Of course Tomlin has six more years to prove us doubters wrong.....I won't be holding my breath.

I appreciate your football opinions elfie... just so you know
 
Elfie, you are living in revisionist history attributing your own biases by projecting outcomes.

To say Tomlin won a Superbowl with Cowher's players is akin to saying Cowher got to his first SB with Noll's players. Both are false narratives. Coaches don't come in, fire everyone, and start over anymore (though Noll did it when football was a second job for most players). It is unfair to blame coaches for the players still on the team when they arrive. It is up to the current coach to get the most out of their current players, and Tomlin did just that, as Cowher did before him.

If you want to compare coaches to Tomlin (as you showed in your pictures), Switzer doesn't compare. Short tenure, one SB appearance. Siefert does compare and was a very good coach in his own right. Tomlin will exceed him. Seifert isn't a lame duck coach, as you imply. over 100 wins, and 2 SB appearances, both wins.

I'm the one driving the greatness bandwagon for Tomlin. You may not see it yet, but I do. He's pulled a rabbit out of his hat to get this team to the playoffs. Uh, he did it against poor teams. Bullshit. 1. you complain he can't beat bad teams, he did this year, and 2 he knocked both division opponents out of playoff contention in back to back weeks.

This team is mentally tough and they don't blink when the game is on the line. They are believing the coach, and all the players are repeating his words. Right now, it doesn't matter if you believe in Tomlin or not. His players do, his locker room does, and his coaches do. That's the sign of a leader to me.
 
Happy New Year to you as well and as you put it we'll just have to agree to disagree.

One more thing though:

You can make the argument that it was a failure of Cowher's to not go after a QB in FA or the draft to round out his teams, but his philosophy was that a brutal D combined with a steamroller run game was the recipe.

Now that philosophy lost him 4 AFCCG's iirc?? Once again imagine Tomlin even getting to 4 AFCCG's without Ben.......

As soon as he changed course and got that franchise QB he won a SB. That included a change in philosophy allowing his young QB to go from game manager to throwing the ball more.

Tomlin won the SB with Cowher's team, and any average coach could have done that, including Rex Ryan and Payton. Especially when you are running the former coach's D and have his coordinator on the sideline beside you.

Cowher is one of only two coaches in NFL history to make the playoffs in his first six years (Paul Brown is the other)

Cowher is more than a few notches above Tomlin in my book. Of course Tomlin has six more years to prove us doubters wrong.....I won't be holding my breath.

Cowher didn't change course ... He wanted the Tackle, not Ben. Word literally came from "On High" in order to get him to agree to take Ben. Now, imagine Cowher's last years without Ben. Because that's what he wanted. Funny how history gets changed in order to try to make a man something he wasn't.

As I said, when Cowher quit/retired, it was no longer his team. When Tomlin was hired, it became his team. And we've seen instances where a coach is handed a Franchise QB and isn't able to get them to the Big Game. Norv Turner's time in SD ring a bell? There was an average coach with a Franchise QB, a damned good defense, a HOF RB and a HOF TE ... didn't do ****. Feel glad that the Rooney's chose a man who could actually accomplish the goal. And I'd imagine that it's to Tomlin's credit that he didn't come in and change the defense right away. Especially since the roster was set up for a 3-4 defense and not a 4-3. Changing for the sake of change or ego would have been monumentally stupid at that point. Good coaching decision on Tomlin's part. And taking the time to learn a defense that you've never run from the guy who practically invented it ... Hella smart!!

We could trade accolades of Cowher and Tomlin for days. Your opinion won't change and neither will mine. Mine is that they are both above average coaches and neither rises to the level of the all-time greats. No shame in that as very few do. What we do know is that as of now, only one of them has the opportunity to reach that level. Btw, this is Tomlin's 10th year. So he only has 5 years to match or exceed Cowher in games won. Seeing as how he's already matched him in Super Bowl appearances and wins.

What I wouldn't be holding my breath for is a Cowher return to coaching.
 
No Bill is more than a little higher than Tomlin. It's not a question of number of SB wins. Hell Cowher almost had one in 95 over a dominant Cowboy team, and this WITHOUT a franchise QB.....now imagine Tomlin getting to that position without Ben. It's laughable and you know it.

Again Cowher didn't have a franchise QB for almost ALL of his run. Mikey has had him for ALL of his.

Again no one does less with more than Tomlin.

So because Odonnell decided to tuck tail and run after he cost the team the super bowl, that somehow takes him out of the Franchise QB conversation? Odonnell had one of, if not THE BEST TD to INT ratio in the NFL. Odonnell was every bit a franchise QB for that era...Here are two QB's stats for 1995, you tell me which one is Odonnell and who the other one is:

2970 yards, 59.1% comp, 17 TD, 7 INT
3304 yards, 64.8% comp, 16 TD, 7 INT

The whole Cowher didn't have a franchise QB argument is getting stale. He had plenty of say with who was drafted, who was brought in, and who started... and he kept running Kordell Stewart out there, then Kent Graham, and Tommy Maddox until Ben was drafted. Cowher didn't believe the QB position to be the most important, he was run the ball and stop the run. Dominant defenses, and clock eating offense. It's why his record when leading going into the fourth quarter was so good, his defenses were scary good. You have two different era's of football, and this continual argument over who is better is pointless. Both of them have won a super bowl, both have gone to two, both were winners, and neither one can match what Noll did.
 
Elfie, you are living in revisionist history attributing your own biases by projecting outcomes.

To say Tomlin won a Superbowl with Cowher's players is akin to saying Cowher got to his first SB with Noll's players. Both are false narratives.

LOL, dumbass! Here your lack of football knowledge strikes again..as well as your butt kissing. Tomlin sucks as a coach. Cowher and Noll rebuilt and constantly built their teams..changing them. Tomlin won with Cowher's team! You idiot. who has he brought in compared to who cowher and noll brought in. All tomlin does is bring tiny cbs that get hurt and sit on the bench for two years....the kind of players you like!
 
LOL, dumbass! Here you're lack of football knowledge strikes again..as well as your butt kissing. Tomlin sucks as a coach. Cowher and Noll rebuilt and constantly built their teams..changing them. Tomlin won with Cowher's team! You idiot. who has he brought in compared to who cowher and noll brought in. All tomlin does is bring tiny cbs that get hurt and sit on the bench for two years....the kind of players you like!

a poster who can not use the quote feature correctly calling some one else an idiot...amusing.....

stop trolling or go find another board
 
a poster who can not use the quote feature correctly calling some one else an idiot...amusing.....

stop trolling or go find another board

LOL, DUMBASS...i was editing the post....

Once again, you need to learn to read before you use a computer.
 
LOL, DUMBASS...i was editing the post....

Once again, you need to learn to read before you use a computer.

no ********, you had to edit your post since you ****** up the quote feature. either be an amusing troll with humorous insults or shut the hell up
 
LOL, dumbass! Here your lack of football knowledge strikes again..as well as your butt kissing. Tomlin sucks as a coach. Cowher and Noll rebuilt and constantly built their teams..changing them. Tomlin won with Cowher's team! You idiot. who has he brought in compared to who cowher and noll brought in. All tomlin does is bring tiny cbs that get hurt and sit on the bench for two years....the kind of players you like!

See: Burns, Artie.

Keep hurling insults, it just makes you look like a bigger jagoff than you already are.
 
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LOL, DUMBASS...i was editing the post....

Once again, you need to learn to read before you use a computer.

looks like another troll got the boot

a minute of silence for the fallen

ok twos seconds but hey I hear poops is looking for a few peeps to talk to


bye
 
No Bill is more than a little higher than Tomlin. It's not a question of number of SB wins. Hell Cowher almost had one in 95 over a dominant Cowboy team, and this WITHOUT a franchise QB.....now imagine Tomlin getting to that position without Ben. It's laughable and you know it.

Again Cowher didn't have a franchise QB for almost ALL of his run. Mikey has had him for ALL of his.

Again no one does less with more than Tomlin.

I must interject and disagree...while you feel Coach Cowher didn't have a franchise QB - Korky + The Bus + Ward + Plax was a deadly offense---the difference is that Coach Cowher didn't emphasize offense - defense was his thing.

Our present coach and GM have built the one of the best offenses of the modern era. And just so that you know - this year's defense is ranked in the top 10. Not to shabby to have both units in the top 10 in the league...
 
I must interject and disagree...while you feel Coach Cowher didn't have a franchise QB - Korky + The Bus + Ward + Plax was a deadly offense---the difference is that Coach Cowher didn't emphasize offense - defense was his thing.

Our present coach and GM have built the one of the best offenses of the modern era. And just so that you know - this year's defense is ranked in the top 10. Not to shabby to have both units in the top 10 in the league...



I didn't realize our "D" was top ten. H@LL yea, I'll take that. GREAT Job Tomlin !!!!!




Salute the nation
 
you mean the pro bowl QB that threw the game away against the Cowboys, ran off into free agency never to be considered good again?

The loss to the Chargers in 1994 was unforgiveable. We ONLY had Neil O'Donnell at QB. I guess we did face an uphill battle against the Chargers and the mighty Dan Fouts at QB. Oh wait, Fouts was retired...I guess the Chargers had Marino or Elway or Montana at QB, right????

We lost to Stan Humphries and the Chargers. Stan ******* Humphries. There's a reason we were huge favorites in that game. If you've ever felt a head coach was responsible for not having his team prepared to play a game, then you have to place the blue ribbon on that game for being the biggest example of a coach not having his team ready to play.
 
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