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The Archer thread was far more impressive than his career. Him and Uncle Jarvis was certainly two where the fans got it right. Though Archer didn't get dragged out like Jones. And yes Rainey was first. Rainey is now a CFL ALLSTAR kick returner and sometimes running back with the BC Lions. Those of us from the Tribune site. Do you guys remember the Randle El vs. Antonio Bryant debate. There was a guy there like Coach. He flogged that thing for like three years. It was epic.
 
SteelerSask said:
The Archer thread was far more impressive than his career. Him and Uncle Jarvis was certainly two where the fans got it right. Though Archer didn't get dragged out like Jones. And yes Rainey was first. Rainey is now a CFL ALLSTAR kick returner and sometimes running back with the BC Lions. Those of us from the Tribune site. Do you guys remember the Randle El vs. Antonio Bryant debate. There was a guy there like Coach. He flogged that thing for like three years. It was epic.
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I never posted there but I do remember that debate. Which message board had that lunatic named Crash anybody know

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SteelBuckeye said:
Three years ... that makes it better. So, three years not making the playoffs means he DID go three years without any playoff win.

As far as the THREE whole years that you're pointing to that Cowher had Ben, that's a pretty small sample size in comparison to the years that Tomlin has had with Ben. Also, Cowher had that veteran team pretty much in place when Ben arrived. He wasn't tasked with rebuilding on the fly with Ben eating up a nice chunk of the salary cap. Different situations require different solutions and most often lead to different results.

Look, Cowher was, like Tomlin, a very good coach. An "All-Time Great"? ... possibly that too, although his record in AFC Championship games where the Steelers were favored sticks out against him. As does the fact that he only took his teams to two lowB repuSs in his entire tenure. Some will say "he didn't have a real QB" ... Why didn't he go out and get better than Tomczak, Graham, et. al. then? Not hating on Cowher, because like I said, he is/was a very good coach ... I know he had me fired up with the chin and the spitting and all that.

Edit: And if you compare Tomlin's first two years with Ben, etc. to Cowher's last two years, you'll find that Tomlin did more with the same players.
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It makes what better? YOU stated that Cowher missed the playoffs four years in a row, and he did not. I simply pointed out your misrepresentation of the facts -- I wasn't Cowher's biggest fan either. You don't like being corrected, I see.

Spin it any way you like. But Tomlin DID go FOUR consecutive years without a playoff win, from 2011 through 2014, which was arguably the PRIME of Ben's career. I'm sure you'll come up with some bullshit excuse for that, too.
 
"That makes it better" in reference to Cowher's three years out of the playoffs was sarcasm ... you should probably look up the definition. Although I guess THREE years instead of FOUR years does make it better eh?

I don't have to spin anything Cowher went three years without a playoff win. Tomlin went four. Not much of a difference there in my book.

What is fact right now is that Tomlin has guided another team to the playoffs. Will they win a game? Will they win them all? That's what we're about to see.

I keep hearing this slam about the PRIME of a franchise QB's career and how that's supposed to guarantee a playoff spot. If that's truly the case, I'm baffled about what has happened in SD during Rivers career. Weren't they supposed to be in the playoffs every year? Especially given that they played in what WAS a weaker division than ours for most of his career. I guess it's a paradox ... OH well, no skin off my back as I'm not a Charger's fan. But if I were, I'd probably want to talk to you about this theory of yours.
 
OH, thanks for bringing this thread back to the top. Can't stop til we get that "Archer" record. No Blinking!!! :goodnight:
 
SteveA said:
And if they had burned that time out there, I would have been yelling at the TV....Why would anyone want to burn their final timeout there? And why would you burn your timeouts when the Ravens had the ball with a smidge under 2 minutes? There is still time.

Them TO's are precious............
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Why burn the final timeout there? I'll be happy to explain it to you:

The ball was already on the 19 yard line. You are down by three points. If your object is to win the game in regulation (which of course it is), then it doesn't make sense to give away nine seconds and more importantly, a down, because after the spike, it's now second down, leaving you only two downs (instead of three), to gain ten yards. 50 seconds is plenty of time to be able to run three plays from the 19, even if one of them is stopped in the field of play. For example, had that pass to Brown been incomplete, for whatever reason, it's fourth down and you must kick the field goal. Without the spike, you've got another chance to win the game then and there. Understand?

Not sure about your second question. That wasn't my argument.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Perfect ******* comeback. Just like Tomlin subtle but direct at the same damn time lmao
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The perfect comeback to a negative comment from Terry Bradshaw was to remind everyone that Hollywood Henderson (a guy who snorted liquid cocaine from an inhaler he kept in his pants...during games, and kept crack in his locker) was his childhood idol?

Hilarious.
 
newportsteel said:
I rarely post but this Tomlin issue is really a dumb argument. Since statistics are being thrown around, let's look at these.

449 coaches have been hired in the NFL. Only 59 have managed to last 10 years (13%). Only 8 have managed to win 100 games in 10 years (1.7%). As the sixth fastest to do so Tomlin is now at (1.3%). And with only 5 who have managed to not have a losing season in their first 10 years he is now at (1.1%) of ALL the coaches who have ever coached the in the NFL. Unfortunately for some in our fan base being better than 98.9% of all the coaches who have coached in the NFL is just not good enough.

If you want to compare his record only to those who have made it 10 years then the numbers are 8 out of 59 (top 14%), 6 out of 59 (top 10%), 5 out of 59 (top 8%).

At worst whether you chose all the coaches or the top ten then he is better than 87% (all coaches) for lasting 10 years or 86% of all coaches for having won 100 games+ in 10 years. At best he is better than 98.7% of all coaches who have ever coached for his number of wins in 10 years or a mere better than a mere 90% of all who have actually made it to the 10 win level. For non-losing seasons he is either better than 98.9% of all coaches or just 92% of those who've coached 10 years.

I don't care if you started with someone else's players, if you have great assistants or if you were hired because of a "rule." Coaches are hired to win and sticking with the coach who is at worst better than 90 - 92% of 10 year coaches or at best better than the 98.7 - 98.9% of all coaches seems like a smart move by ownership.
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I wonder where his 6-5 playoff record falls in on the scale. Probably not in the 98th percentile, I'm guessing.

Hey, Mikey will have a good chance to improve on that postseason mark this Sunday...his team has already been installed as a 9-and-a-half point favorite.

Uh-oh. They should win...right?
 
SteelBuckeye said:
"That makes it better" in reference to Cowher's three years out of the playoffs was sarcasm ... you should probably look up the definition. Although I guess THREE years instead of FOUR years does make it better eh?

I don't have to spin anything Cowher went three years without a playoff win. Tomlin went four. Not much of a difference there in my book.

What is fact right now is that Tomlin has guided another team to the playoffs. Will they win a game? Will they win them all? That's what we're about to see.

I keep hearing this slam about the PRIME of a franchise QB's career and how that's supposed to guarantee a playoff spot. If that's truly the case, I'm baffled about what has happened in SD during Rivers career. Weren't they supposed to be in the playoffs every year? Especially given that they played in what WAS a weaker division than ours for most of his career. I guess it's a paradox ... OH well, no skin off my back as I'm not a Charger's fan. But if I were, I'd probably want to talk to you about this theory of yours.
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I know what sarcasm is. However, your weak sardonic attempt doesn't make sense in this instance, since you (incorrectly) made such a big deal about Cowher missing FOUR consecutive postseasons, while your boy is indeed the one with the longer winless playoff drought. I'd call that ironic...you should probably look up the definition.

Funny, there was more of a "difference" in your book...when it was supporting YOUR argument.

Philip Rivers is not anywhere close to Ben's caliber, so that is a ****** comparison. You're kidding yourself.


Yes, we will see. I sure hope Tomlin can lead them to at least one victory against a nearly ten point underdog.
 
topseed said:
The perfect comeback to a negative comment from Terry Bradshaw was to remind everyone that Hollywood Henderson (a guy who snorted liquid cocaine from an inhaler he kept in his pants...during games, and kept crack in his locker) was his childhood idol?

Hilarious.
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Oh boy here comes Mr let's get deep

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newportsteel said:
I rarely post but this Tomlin issue is really a dumb argument. Since statistics are being thrown around, let's look at these.

449 coaches have been hired in the NFL. Only 59 have managed to last 10 years (13%). Only 8 have managed to win 100 games in 10 years (1.7%). As the sixth fastest to do so Tomlin is now at (1.3%). And with only 5 who have managed to not have a losing season in their first 10 years he is now at (1.1%) of ALL the coaches who have ever coached the in the NFL. Unfortunately for some in our fan base being better than 98.9% of all the coaches who have coached in the NFL is just not good enough.

If you want to compare his record only to those who have made it 10 years then the numbers are 8 out of 59 (top 14%), 6 out of 59 (top 10%), 5 out of 59 (top 8%).

At worst whether you chose all the coaches or the top ten then he is better than 87% (all coaches) for lasting 10 years or 86% of all coaches for having won 100 games+ in 10 years. At best he is better than 98.7% of all coaches who have ever coached for his number of wins in 10 years or a mere better than a mere 90% of all who have actually made it to the 10 win level. For non-losing seasons he is either better than 98.9% of all coaches or just 92% of those who've coached 10 years.

I don't care if you started with someone else's players, if you have great assistants or if you were hired because of a "rule." Coaches are hired to win and sticking with the coach who is at worst better than 90 - 92% of 10 year coaches or at best better than the 98.7 - 98.9% of all coaches seems like a smart move by ownership.
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You should post more often! Those are the stats that in the end will define a coach. Why those who think their opinions are better is beyond me.
 
obxsteeler said:
You should post more often! Those are the stats that in the end will define a coach. Why those who think their opinions are better is beyond me.
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want another stat that defines coaches?

SB wins

if he can get this team to win another I will upgrade him from good to great.

But 1 SB win with Big Ben Antonio and now Bell won't get you great status.

And if he ends with a good coach tag, is that horrible? no

But I hope for more than that.

I hope he becomes great.

I hope the Steelers win it all this year.

Then for me I will upgrade him to great.

But not with winning 1.

With a elite three...

Is winning games important? sure

I just think that isn't enough to be titled great..
 
What blows me away is MT is not even done here yet......And our Big-Three has yet to play a play-off game together.....

History in Sports is filled with fans & media alike pre-judging athletes AND coaches before the storybook has been completely written.....

Anyone remember the criticism that Michael Jordan "couldn't win the big one'" ? John Elway anyone? How about LeBron? If he doesn't will the Cavs back last year he would be 2-5 in the FINALS......

The final Chapter hasn't been written yet, the clock is still running, & the game ain't over............

Oh.....And this will be the first playoff game that the Killer Bees ever play together........................
 
SteveA said:
What blows me away is MT is not even done here yet......And our Big-Three has yet to play a play-off game together.....

History in Sports is filled with fans & media alike pre-judging athletes AND coaches before the storybook has been completely written.....

Anyone remember the criticism that Michael Jordan "couldn't win the big one'" ? John Elway anyone? How about LeBron? If he doesn't will the Cavs back last year he would be 2-5 in the FINALS......

The final Chapter hasn't been written yet, the clock is still running, & the game ain't over............

Oh.....And this will be the first playoff game that the Killer Bees ever play together........................
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yep very true

know how you get rid of that criticism?

win another SB.
 
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obxsteeler said:
I would assume he knows a bit more about coaching than Bradshaw and his "supporters" on the Board.
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And enough about the politics of life to say all the right things since he's still in the NFL business, so to say.

If you were paying attention though you would have noticed Cowher sort of reinforced Bradshaw's opinion.

Cowher was also the cheerleader type, but also alot more.
 
Ehnot the biggest Tomlin supporter but im pretty sure Terry couldn't spell coaching if you spotted him the C and the A....
 
topseed said:
Philip Rivers is not anywhere close to Ben's caliber, so that is a ****** comparison. You're kidding yourself.
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I love Ben, and wouldn't trade him for ANY QB in the league right now. He IS Pittsburgh Steelers football...with that said:

Rivers - 45,833 yards, 64.4%, 314 TD's. 156 INT's, 7.75 avg, 180 games played

Ben - 46,814 yards, 64.1%, 301 TD's, 160 INT's, 7.89 avg, 185 games played

Call me crazy, but I think Rivers is a lot closer to Ben's caliber than you're giving credit.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Oh boy here comes Mr let's get deep
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Nothing "deep" to speak of. Tomlin's mentioned the guy before -- I just find it odd that he likes to point out that his favorite player as a kid was a drug addict and a bad teammate. At least it would have bit more of a witty comeback if Hollywood Henderson had actually beaten Bradshaw in those two Super Bowls. But that wasn't the case, now was it?
 
insaniti said:
I love Ben, and wouldn't trade him for ANY QB in the league right now. He IS Pittsburgh Steelers football...with that said:

Rivers - 45,833 yards, 64.4%, 314 TD's. 156 INT's, 7.75 avg, 180 games played

Ben - 46,814 yards, 64.1%, 301 TD's, 160 INT's, 7.89 avg, 185 games played

Call me crazy, but I think Rivers is a lot closer to Ben's caliber than you're giving credit.
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Yes, those statistics are remarkably similar. However, stats can be misleading. Did you know that Kurt Cousins is tied for 11th on the ALL-TIME QB passer rating list? That Chad Pennington is 14th? And Colin Kaepernick is 17th?

You also forgot to include their career records as a starter:

Phil 97-79
Ben 123-60

And playoff records:

Phil 4-5
Ben 11-6


I think we'd agree that Ben is a future Hall-of-Fame quarterback. Are you saying that Rivers is the same?
 
topseed said:
Yes, those statistics are remarkably similar. However, stats can be misleading. Did you know that Kurt Cousins is tied for 11th on the ALL-TIME QB passer rating list? That Chad Pennington is 14th? And Colin Kaepernick is 17th?

You also forgot to include their career records as a starter:

Phil 97-79
Ben 123-60

And playoff records:

Phil 4-5
Ben 11-6


I think we'd agree that Ben is a future Hall-of-Fame quarterback. Are you saying that Rivers is the same?
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Because that is that stat that matters, wins.
 
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