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According To PG. Tomlin micromanaged Defense. & Changes are happening from Rooney

Bouchette: Carnell Lake ‘Truly Did Leave On His Own’

There are many believe that Lake’s resignation is similar to the ‘retirement’ of Bruce Arians, who, after failing to have his contract renewed when it expired, quickly signed on with the Indianapolis Colts after the team’s official stance was that he was retiring. Arians went on to continue embarrassing them by becoming a head coach after that and even winning head coach of the year.

That was a legitimate conspiracy, but the departure of Lake does not appear to be one. According to a recent chat session from Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the seven-year defensive backs coach “truly did leave on his own” and was not forced out of his post.

This response was in answer to a question about his thoughts on the defensive changes and if he expected there to be more (which the reader was hoping for). Bouchette conceded that he was wrong prior in believing no defensive changes would take place, but his continued response would seem to indicate that he since independently verified the nature of Lake’s departure.

For what it is worth, I also read from another source that is behind a paywall the very same thing: that is, that Lake was departing on his own terms to be with his family, and in fact it was a consideration for him for multiple years now.

Tomlin did not waste a great deal of time replacing him, though, adding former Penn State coach Tom Bradley to the staff. Bradley served a number of roles in his long tenure there, much of which included coaching the defensive backs. He also played the position, as did Lake, having done so with the Steelers, while Bradley played for the Nittany Lions.

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Weather he left on his own or not isn't the question. His exit is a positive for the STEELERS especially if it's been on his mind for awhile. He probably wasn't nearly as committed as need be due to 2nd thoughts. Respect him as a player and a man, but it appears as though his coaching wasn't of high enough quality. GOOD LUCK in your life's work Carnell.




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not sure Lake is the type to kiss and tell even if it wasn't the case. Good man, ok coach. Wish him the best.
 
I hate the 2-4-5 because, yeah we can get away with it playing ****** teams, but it does absolutely nothing vs good QB's.
And it's putting 4 LBs on the field, something that good QBs feast on. The only time we pressured Brady was when we had 3 DL in the game.
Heyward was totally invisible in both games vs Jax, 2DL means 4OL can double them, leaving the 5th OL to block our LB. I'm not sure why this is so hard to really grasp.
How many DL did the eagles rush Brady with? Jacksonville? Giants? Jets? Ravens? Dolphins? They all use at least 3DL and a LB, but use 4DL alot. They never use 2 DL, that is dumb as ****, unless you have 2 dominant pass rushing OLBs.

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And it puts our weakest link in pass coverage on the field, Timmons last year, Williams this season. After Shazier went out we should've never had two ILBs in on passing downs.

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I hate the 2-4-5 because, yeah we can get away with it playing ****** teams, but it does absolutely nothing vs good QB's.
And it's putting 4 LBs on the field, something that good QBs feast on. The only time we pressured Brady was when we had 3 DL in the game.
Heyward was totally invisible in both games vs Jax, 2DL means 4OL can double them, leaving the 5th OL to block our LB. I'm not sure why this is so hard to really grasp.
How many DL did the eagles rush Brady with? Jacksonville? Giants? Jets? Ravens? Dolphins? They all use at least 3DL and a LB, but use 4DL alot. They never use 2 DL, that is dumb as ****, unless you have 2 dominant pass rushing OLBs.

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The Jags only got to Brady 3 times, and the Eagles only once. We sacked him twice when we played.

So its not like other teams have figured out how to effectively pressure Brady.
 
The Jags only got to Brady 3 times, and the Eagles only once. We sacked him twice when we played.

So its not like other teams have figured out how to effectively pressure Brady.
They pressured him alot though, they didn't let him step forward in the pocket. He didn't have all day to stand there. Like Hundley and Bortles did vs us. Houston last year in the playoffs we're sending Clowney up the middle and it worked for 3 quarters.

It's a passing league, having two ILBs on the field is going to kill you.

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The sack in the AFCCG last year, they tried to block Hargrave with one guy and he blew him up right up the middle.

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They pressured him alot though, they didn't let him step forward in the pocket. He didn't have all day to stand there. Like Hundley and Bortles did vs us. Houston last year in the playoffs we're sending Clowney up the middle and it worked for 3 quarters.

It's a passing league, having two ILBs on the field is going to kill you.

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Didnt tom almost throw for 500 yds against the eagles. And over 300 vs the jags
 
Didnt tom almost throw for 500 yds against the eagles. And over 300 vs the jags
That's funny I put the same thing about Stafford vs us and you said look at the result.

Didn't Philly make a sack to almost seal the win?

Jax pressured him alot and got the old ref treatment.

How can anyone defend that? Especially the two sacks we got this year, we rushed 4 guys, the sack in the AFCCG was by Hargrave.


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That's funny I put the same thing about Stafford vs us and you said look at the result.

Didn't Philly make a sack to almost seal the win?

Jax pressured him alot and got the old ref treatment.

How can anyone defend that? Especially the two sacks we got this year, we rushed 4 guys, the sack in the AFCCG was by Hargrave.


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I am not disagreeing with your assessment of the 2DL look. I also believe that its ineffective.

My point was simply that Brady isn't the proper barometer, because he has been wildly successful against any defense imaginable.


In fact, I believe that the most effective 'defensive' strategy against Brady is actually ball control.
 
That's funny I put the same thing about Stafford vs us and you said look at the result.

Didn't Philly make a sack to almost seal the win?

Jax pressured him alot and got the old ref treatment.

How can anyone defend that? Especially the two sacks we got this year, we rushed 4 guys, the sack in the AFCCG was by Hargrave.


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Different answer we are looking for though..

Scheme isnt as important as execution.. switching to a different front doesnt guarantee anything is my point. The eagles didnt beat the patriots because they played a 4 man front. Graham made a huge play and that can happen out of any front.
 
We need to be more consistent on both sides of the ball," Rooney said, via the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "Last year there were some games where we were kind of soft against the run, and that's not Steelers football. We have to get stronger against the run so we can put our defense in position to get after the quarterback."

The Steelers being "soft" against the run can be traced directly to the devastating injury to Ryan Shazier in Week 13. The first 12 games of the 2017 season, Pittsburgh allowed 96.0 rushing yards per game. Following Shazier's injury, that number leaped to 133.5 rushing yards per tilt, including playoffs.

Coupled with other injuries, not being able to stuff the run caused Mike Tomlin's defense to collapse over the second half of the season. Pittsburgh allowed 350.8 total yards per game and 26.7 points per game after Week 13. The struggles culminated in allowing the Jacksonville Jaguars to gallop all over the field, rushing for 164 yards in the AFC Divisional Round, while the Steelers earned exactly zero sacks and gave up 45 points in the playoff loss.

Plugging the gap left behind by Shazier will not be easy. The linebacker was one of best sideline-to-sideline tacklers in the NFL, and his speed masked many mistakes. With few difference-making linebackers ever hitting free agency, the Steelers need to look to the draft once again to help fill the hole.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...lers-owner-team-must-fix-its-soft-run-defense
 
Different answer we are looking for though..

Scheme isnt as important as execution.. switching to a different front doesnt guarantee anything is my point. The eagles didnt beat the patriots because they played a 4 man front. Graham made a huge play and that can happen out of any front.
Scheme is very important, when you send 2DL vs 5OL, you're making it way harder on your players.



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I hate the 2-4-5 because, yeah we can get away with it playing ****** teams, but it does absolutely nothing vs good QB's.
And it's putting 4 LBs on the field, something that good QBs feast on. The only time we pressured Brady was when we had 3 DL in the game.
Heyward was totally invisible in both games vs Jax, 2DL means 4OL can double them, leaving the 5th OL to block our LB. I'm not sure why this is so hard to really grasp.
How many DL did the eagles rush Brady with? Jacksonville? Giants? Jets? Ravens? Dolphins? They all use at least 3DL and a LB, but use 4DL alot. They never use 2 DL, that is dumb as ****, unless you have 2 dominant pass rushing OLBs.

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While the Ravens held them to a low score in 2012 SB, the Ravens, while playing much the same schedule as us, have ONE playoff win (against us) since 2012. Their last playoff loss was to the * where they allowed 35 points. They have the same HC and GM. BTW, in that AFCCG, Flacco threw 0 interceptions. In fact, he threw 0 interceptions the entire playoffs that year.

Jacksonville, while playing such superbly better D only allowed 3 points less. That 3 points would have given the Steelers a tie, but the fact is, that it took an official to actually STEAL the game from the Steelers (followed by coach **** ups) rather than anything the *'s did on Offense.

The *'s are almost always going to score 24-27 points. Fairly low percentage where they did not do so over the last few years. Frankly, if they score that many points, only, I'm OK with it. Obviously, less is better, but i don't get all worked up about it.
 
Oh, and while playing a better scheme, the Eagles allowed the *'s to score 33 points, 6 more than a ****-flinging monkey running our D....
 
The officials stole the game from Jax too, handed NE two TDs.

You know what, you guys are right, we've beaten NE so many times, and we never make no name QBs look good, let's just keep doing what we're doing.
Let's keep throwing our 4.7 forty LBs on the field in coverage. We won 13 games and played very little man D, so let's just stick to zone.

While we're at it, let's keep running the empty set offense, let's not QB sneak it ever again we won 13 games that way.

This exactly part of the stubborn crap I was talking about.


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Different answer we are looking for though..

Scheme isnt as important as execution.. switching to a different front doesnt guarantee anything is my point. The eagles didnt beat the patriots because they played a 4 man front. Graham made a huge play and that can happen out of any front.

I think this right here is where you lose a lot of the people here.

I mean if that's the case why didn't the Steelers cut Ben and keep Haley? **** it, Haley's scheme doesn't matter, we just need a better QB!

Bell is arguably the best back in the league behind a top 5 Oline yet that 4th and 1 toss play was not getting a first down there...I don't care if it was Walter Peyton running the ball. Prime example of scheme trumping talent/execution.

Nick Foles is a career backup yet looked like a Hall of Famer during multiple playoff games and earning Super Bowl MVP. Did he suddenly obtain all this extra talent just for the playoffs? No, it was the scheme that was built around him to put him in the best opportunity to succeed.

Everyone agrees Heyward is a beast and Tuitt is pretty damn good but if they're constantly going against double teams in 2DL sets, how the hell are they supposed to perform to expectations or be counted on to stop the run? In that scenario, it's no wonder Tuitt struggled and they both really struggled against the run.

The offense succeeded last season when coaches were taken out of the equation and Ben did his thing in the no huddle. Not just once or twice, but every. damn. time. The scheme Ben was forced to run did not fit his style and it held back the offense tremendously.

It's the coaches job (literally) to use a scheme that plays to the strengths of the players as well as the weaknesses of the opponents giving everyone the best possible chance to succeed. Can you honestly say that was done by this coaching staff last season? If so, then I think you are in the vast minority.
 
I think this right here is where you lose a lot of the people here.

I mean if that's the case why didn't the Steelers cut Ben and keep Haley? **** it, Haley's scheme doesn't matter, we just need a better QB!

Bell is arguably the best back in the league behind a top 5 Oline yet that 4th and 1 toss play was not getting a first down there...I don't care if it was Walter Peyton running the ball. Prime example of scheme trumping talent/execution.

Nick Foles is a career backup yet looked like a Hall of Famer during multiple playoff games and earning Super Bowl MVP. Did he suddenly obtain all this extra talent just for the playoffs? No, it was the scheme that was built around him to put him in the best opportunity to succeed.

Everyone agrees Heyward is a beast and Tuitt is pretty damn good but if they're constantly going against double teams in 2DL sets, how the hell are they supposed to perform to expectations or be counted on to stop the run? In that scenario, it's no wonder Tuitt struggled and they both really struggled against the run.

The offense succeeded last season when coaches were taken out of the equation and Ben did his thing in the no huddle. Not just once or twice, but every. damn. time. The scheme Ben was forced to run did not fit his style and it held back the offense tremendously.

It's the coaches job (literally) to use a scheme that plays to the strengths of the players as well as the weaknesses of the opponents giving everyone the best possible chance to succeed. Can you honestly say that was done by this coaching staff last season? If so, then I think you are in the vast minority.

Yes sorry scheme does matter. It is a combination of that and execution and putting the players in a position to succeed. If your scheme doesn't fit your talent, there will be issues. Like getting run on, or passed on. etc. They changed the scheme and beat the pats, if that isn't evidence nothing is. BTW they did beat them, it took refs to change the outcome.
 
We need to be more consistent on both sides of the ball," Rooney said, via the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. "Last year there were some games where we were kind of soft against the run, and that's not Steelers football. We have to get stronger against the run so we can put our defense in position to get after the quarterback."

The Steelers being "soft" against the run can be traced directly to the devastating injury to Ryan Shazier in Week 13. The first 12 games of the 2017 season, Pittsburgh allowed 96.0 rushing yards per game. Following Shazier's injury, that number leaped to 133.5 rushing yards per tilt, including playoffs.

Coupled with other injuries, not being able to stuff the run caused Mike Tomlin's defense to collapse over the second half of the season. Pittsburgh allowed 350.8 total yards per game and 26.7 points per game after Week 13. The struggles culminated in allowing the Jacksonville Jaguars to gallop all over the field, rushing for 164 yards in the AFC Divisional Round, while the Steelers earned exactly zero sacks and gave up 45 points in the playoff loss.

Plugging the gap left behind by Shazier will not be easy. The linebacker was one of best sideline-to-sideline tacklers in the NFL, and his speed masked many mistakes. With few difference-making linebackers ever hitting free agency, the Steelers need to look to the draft once again to help fill the hole.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...lers-owner-team-must-fix-its-soft-run-defense

My beef is, it's the coaches job to change the scheme to adjust to the loss of Shazier...it still might not result in success but try SOMETHING different. Running the same D scheme after Shazier left and expecting Spence to perform the same is ludicrous. Don't throw the same scheme out there and expect the D to keep performing exactly the same if Shazier was such an important piece. If you think there's no way the loss of a player can be overcome then look directly at the Eagles. They changed a lot of their offense once Wentz went down and it got them a SB. Foles is not Wentz just like Spence is not Shazier. That's what good coaching does and frankly it's the difference between the Steelers and the Pats, Eagles, and even Jags last season.
 
My beef is, it's the coaches job to change the scheme to adjust to the loss of Shazier...it still might not result in success but try SOMETHING different. Running the same D scheme after Shazier left and expecting Spence to perform the same is ludicrous. Don't throw the same scheme out there and expect the D to keep performing exactly the same if Shazier was such an important piece. If you think there's no way the loss of a player can be overcome then look directly at the Eagles. They changed a lot of their offense once Wentz went down and it got them a SB. Foles is not Wentz just like Spence is not Shazier. That's what good coaching does and frankly it's the difference between the Steelers and the Pats, Eagles, and even Jags last season.

And that bolded part is misleading anyway. Does no one remember losing the Chicago game because they ran all over us? Jacksonville ran all over us in the first matchup and we lost. The Packers ran all over us with a bunch of nobodies and we needed offensive miracles to win that game. Collins was getting huge chunks against us in the first Ravens game before the game got out of hand. Our run defense was incredibly vulnerable ALL YEAR. The "We missed Shazier!" narrative is only true to a point, but we can't rewrite history here.
 
Yes sorry scheme does matter. It is a combination of that and execution and putting the players in a position to succeed. If your scheme doesn't fit your talent, there will be issues. Like getting run on, or passed on. etc. They changed the scheme and beat the pats, if that isn't evidence nothing is. BTW they did beat them, it took refs to change the outcome.

I completely agree with you that our D scheme was spot on for the Pats game. I gave Tomlin props for that earlier in this thread. We've been calling for man to man against them for years and it was finally run and it worked...imagine that! lol AND that game was even without Shazier too but apparently his loss was too much to overcome according to some.

It's the Jags playoff game where the scheme was abhorrently wrong on both sides of the ball. As well as a few other games this season and numerous other games throughout the last decade.
 
I think this right here is where you lose a lot of the people here.

I mean if that's the case why didn't the Steelers cut Ben and keep Haley? **** it, Haley's scheme doesn't matter, we just need a better QB!

Bell is arguably the best back in the league behind a top 5 Oline yet that 4th and 1 toss play was not getting a first down there...I don't care if it was Walter Peyton running the ball. Prime example of scheme trumping talent/execution.

Nick Foles is a career backup yet looked like a Hall of Famer during multiple playoff games and earning Super Bowl MVP. Did he suddenly obtain all this extra talent just for the playoffs? No, it was the scheme that was built around him to put him in the best opportunity to succeed.

Everyone agrees Heyward is a beast and Tuitt is pretty damn good but if they're constantly going against double teams in 2DL sets, how the hell are they supposed to perform to expectations or be counted on to stop the run? In that scenario, it's no wonder Tuitt struggled and they both really struggled against the run.

The offense succeeded last season when coaches were taken out of the equation and Ben did his thing in the no huddle. Not just once or twice, but every. damn. time. The scheme Ben was forced to run did not fit his style and it held back the offense tremendously.

It's the coaches job (literally) to use a scheme that plays to the strengths of the players as well as the weaknesses of the opponents giving everyone the best possible chance to succeed. Can you honestly say that was done by this coaching staff last season? If so, then I think you are in the vast minority.

Haley wasnt let go because of his scheme IMO he was let go because of his abrasive style of coaching our franchise QB. His offense was wildly successful. Produced for the QB RBs and WRs. Was there brainfarts sometimes of course. But the steelers have already said they arent changing the whole offensive playbook..scheme wasnt the issue personalities were.

Ive said time and time again. I was pissed about 4th down play calls either sneak or run bell between the tackles on both plays. Ive always been a believer if if you cant get one yard as an offense you dont deserve to win.

Ben wasnt held back like you say. Thats bullshit. He has put up record nunbers in this offense since Haley came. Issue wasnt scheme. He didnt play well to start the season. Thats on him.

Foles had a running game and the coaches used RPOs to help him a scheme he ran before and had success with under Chip Kelly. It wasnt some genius coaching.. if the Oline didnt establish the run would Foles have been as effective. Again execution.

Now ben was stuck in a terrible offense lol.
 
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