Yep!
NE struggles big time against dominant line play.
Although if Gronk retires, that press coverage will work greatly
According To PG. Tomlin micromanaged Defense. & Changes are happening from Rooney
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NE struggles big time against dominant line play.
Although if Gronk retires, that press coverage will work greatly
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I see now that he was the AL NT, which means, in general, he played against some pretty good teams, with some cupcakes here and there.
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You know New England drafted Malcolm Brown in round 1 a few years ago and he's like a pro bowler in my opinion and only gets about 50% of New England's snaps.
While I agree the old-school, rigid, 2-gap 3-4 DE and NT under Cowher's defense are gone, I'm not ready to devalue interior defensive lineman out of round 1 consideration because they might be rotational players. I still think you need some quality beef up front in this league to win.
While I agree the old-school, rigid, 2-gap 3-4 DE and NT under Cowher's defense are gone, I'm not ready to devalue interior defensive lineman out of round 1 consideration because they might be rotational players. I still think you need some quality beef up front in this league to win.
Not a Hargrave fan. Between him and Dupree, those are our weak links in the front 7. (not counting Shazier's empty spot). Williams was serviceable and actually had a pretty damn good numbers year. We need a quality NT who can play all 3 downs.
We draft long snappers and cut them by the end of camp.
ILB depth has not been developed. Dirty Red has shown flashes (despite his perceived lack of athleticism). That said, he was gifted Shazier and even pre-injury, Shazey was known to miss tackles, over run plays, etc. Sure, Shazey was a Pro Bowl LB, but can anyone say that he has progressed in his form tackling and ability to not only read a play, but to make a play under control?. A lot of Shazier's "spectacular" plays were made because of his rare speed and athleticism. I just don't see where Olsavsky has done anything.
Vince Williams was not developed by Olsavsky. He was drafted and developed when Butler was still the LB coach. So, you can't credit Olsavsky for work Butler did.
So, my complaint against Olsavsky is that I don't see where he has made the ILB group any better. Sure, Porter has had more to work with and is deservedly criticized. However, I don't believe Olsavsky should get a pass either.
I slightly disagree here. Both years when Williams was getting starts, Olsav was his coach and did help his game. Both can be credited though, but you don't work with backups as much as you do with starters when you're a position coach.
Big Red can also play at this level, when he's playing with 2 arms.
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I consider Joey the weak link in "D" coaches and our two new coaches haven't even coached a single practice yet alone a single down.
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I have no problem with Dirty Red as a player. I believe he can play at this level. I just don't see where Olsavsky has done a spectacular job and is immune from criticism. Heck, we've seen both Shazier and Williams out of position often enough on run plays alone to ask what the heck Jerry is teaching these guys. He's not as bad as Porter, but he's not above reproach.
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We will probably never know for sure. This is like the draft for me. Was Tomlin calling the shots in the draft? I suspect so, but can't know for sure. All i know is it wasn't working and it appears that things changed a few years ago as evidenced by them starting to take more players based on analytics.
Just like with the draft, I don't care who is screwing up the defense, just so long as they fix it.
But here's something interesting. If Tomlin used to run the draft and now he doesn't. If he started running the defense and now he won't. And they saw fit to make Mitchell an Assistant Head Coach, it seems from the outside like Tomlin's power keeps being cut back.
Just like with the draft, I don't care who is screwing up the defense, just so long as they fix it.
But here's something interesting. If Tomlin used to run the draft and now he doesn't. If he started running the defense and now he won't. And they saw fit to make Mitchell an Assistant Head Coach, it seems from the outside like Tomlin's power keeps being cut back.
And now we are back to this..anything even remotely good about the Steelers its definitely not Tomlin. Anything bad its Tomlin. Draft?? Bad pick. Tomlin. Long snapper all Tomlin. Watt and Juju definitely not Tomlin. Defense top 5 for most of the year..not Tomlin. As soon as the defense starts to show cracks and suck um yeah thats definitely Tomlin. Even making Mitchell an Assistant head coach rewarding him for tenure is seen as a slight. AND this isnt in defense of him at all cause right now im still in **** him and the coaches and every last player from last year mode for not getting the job done last year. But jeez that **** is old.
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That **** is getting old as proportionate to as old as the **** has been happening..............................
Cool Shades has a lot of good qualities justifying keeping him employed. He also has some WTF qualities justifying the "this **** is getting old" persona. The FO is making things better regardless of what you or I think and doing so may be narrowing the WTF moments.
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i know when i look at the draft picks on DEFENSE, i credit or discredit Tomlin accordingly. Right or wrong.
why
Because our DC was here before Tomlin. He knows the pieces. IF i see an odd fit for a 3-4 ala ziggy hood. I blame tomlin. yes i do.
But everything on this team ends with him ultimately.
why
Because our DC was here before Tomlin. He knows the pieces. IF i see an odd fit for a 3-4 ala ziggy hood. I blame tomlin. yes i do.
But everything on this team ends with him ultimately.
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Yeah for me it’s not “good picks are others, bad picks are Tomlin”
For me, there’s a clear divide between offensive drafting/development and defensive drafting/development. I have to assume, as has been reported many times and only makes logical sense, that Tomlin has way more personal investment of his coaching efforts in our defense than in our offense. So when I see that, under his tenure, or defensive draft picks (and even signings) are basically guaranteed to not live up to billing save for a couple special guys, then I am skeptical. Meanwhile, we turn offensive draft picks from any round (hell even some undrafted) into stars
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For me, there’s a clear divide between offensive drafting/development and defensive drafting/development. I have to assume, as has been reported many times and only makes logical sense, that Tomlin has way more personal investment of his coaching efforts in our defense than in our offense. So when I see that, under his tenure, or defensive draft picks (and even signings) are basically guaranteed to not live up to billing save for a couple special guys, then I am skeptical. Meanwhile, we turn offensive draft picks from any round (hell even some undrafted) into stars
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And of course everything leads back to him..well unless of course its SOMETHING good then no it doesnt.
Based on what???? All that just to say what i said. Anything working he has nothing to do with anything not working he has his hands all over it.
hey i give him credit for vince williams, antonio brown, TJ watt, , Shazier.
But he also has to take the blame for the long snapper, Uncle jarvis, ziggy, and bud dupree
"of course everything leads back to him" cant tell if this is sarcasm, or you agree.
Because everything does go back to him. Just like sticking with Kordell and playing marty ball went back to cowher. Oh,, and guess what. That dumbass drafted limas sweed.
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Hasn't it been reported Tomlin took over defensive playcalling midway through the season and into the playoffs? So in that case, it's absolutely the way you described it.
Its exactly what was in the original post. As reported from the PG.
I dont have a problem with that. NONE
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I think you have it backwards. He took over playcalling midway through LAST season- and the defense showed a marked improvement.
And again i will qualify this if true that losing Shazier and also Haden getting hurt were big issues for this defense. Shazier lined people up. Shazier sniffed out plays from his work in watching film. Shazier made plays others couldnt because of his speed. Thats alot to lose. Haden injury was also huge. Tuitt not being as dominant was also a factor. I didnt see a drastic difference in playcalls on defense. We look to be running the same formations and doing the same thing's just not executing at the same level and injuries played a part. And i hate to say it (because last year sucked because i hate getting to the AFC championship and not taking the next step) we were 13-3 and a top ten defense all year.
Haha see there's the Marty ball comment that you said you never heard of when you said Cowher didn't get bashed like Tomlin did.
I get on Tomlin, but I'm not on the fire him bandwagon, he's a good coach, but he has to change a few things too.
As for losing Shazier, yeah that is a killer, but Philly lost their QB and All Pro left tackle. NE lost their best front seven guy, had alot of injuries and they were in the super bowl.
The 2DL thing has to go, id love to hear an argument why that's good. He's stubborn, instead of doing what we do, we need to start attacking and game planning for a teams weaknesses.
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I get on Tomlin, but I'm not on the fire him bandwagon, he's a good coach, but he has to change a few things too.
As for losing Shazier, yeah that is a killer, but Philly lost their QB and All Pro left tackle. NE lost their best front seven guy, had alot of injuries and they were in the super bowl.
The 2DL thing has to go, id love to hear an argument why that's good. He's stubborn, instead of doing what we do, we need to start attacking and game planning for a teams weaknesses.
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Then what was the point of Tomlin taking over playcalling duties?? If the defense was ****** no matter what because of injuries, why even make the change if Butler had them as a top 5 defense in the beginning of the season?
You or i dont know when or if its true..when or if he took over. When or why he took over. I dont know ****. I do know injuries affected the defense i could see that. I watched that play out. I dont know when or why he decided to take over so i cant possibly make the leap that his taking over coincided with the defense playing better or worst. Maybe it was after the Chicago and first Jaguars game. Those were the low points at the beginning of the year. Then there was marked improvement besides a big play here in there up until Haden's injury then Shazier's. So was he responsible for the marked improvement or not until they started ******* up left and right..the latter of course.