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According To PG. Tomlin micromanaged Defense. & Changes are happening from Rooney

I’m with you on this Slash. Scheme certainly does matter and that is what it’s all about with Belichick and his Pats. There is no riddle wrapped in an enigma to figure out with what he’s doing. He simply develops the scheme to fit the talents of his current roster and as mentioned from some of his former players, they practice it and continue to practice it until the execution is damn near flawless.
In addition to that he has his team in the game for the entire 60 minutes and again some former players have made mention that they only look ahead to their next opponent.
He never has the best of talent but what he does is to utilize and maximize the talent they do have and put them in the best position to execute the game plan successfully.
I think that Cool Shades really should take a chapter from Belichick’s book and start applying it to this football team.


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Any comparison to Belichick is moot. He’s been caught cheating, twice. His assistant’s been caught as a head coach. The secrecy regarding staff usage and circumventing the rules is well documented. I believe the culture Belichick uses is not based upon the notion of fair play.

Hardly a representation of superior coaching.


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Does anyone think the Eagles have superior offensive talent compared to us? They lost the best LT in football and their QB who was maybe going to be MVP and their O couldn't be stopped in the post season

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Any comparison to Belichick is moot. He’s been caught cheating, twice. His assistant’s been caught as a head coach. The secrecy regarding staff usage and circumventing the rules is well documented. I believe the culture Belichick uses is not based upon the notion of fair play.

Hardly a representation of superior coaching.


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I disagree with you on that Ike. Despite all that’s been written about Belichick and this gate and that gate I have to give him credit for what’s he’s accomplished over a long tenure in NE.
All the reasons I mentioned in my earlier post give him credibility as the top coach in the league.


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I disagree with you on that Ike. Despite all that’s been written about Belichick and this gate and that gate I have to give him credit for what’s he’s accomplished over a long tenure in NE.
All the reasons I mentioned in my earlier post give him credibility as the top coach in the league.


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We will have to agree to disagree on this Hurt.

To give him credit for what’s he’s “accomplished over a long tenure” is not recognizing how he accomplished it through circumventing the spirit of fair play during that tenure. I’m not talking about being a Boy Scout coach. There are none. It’s a slap to his mentor’s legacy as a great coach. Parcell never had to use a “non” staff (that we know of) with a photographic memory to win football games. How about another coach from the same tree? Tom Coughlin. He’s won 2 SBs with lessor talent. His SB wins were against a coach who was with him under Parcells. Not hard to put two and two together and figure out why.

Lombardi was a great coach. He would give you his teams playbook and tell you we will still beat you. Because “we will execute those plays better than you can defend them”. To win games not under fair play was an anathema to his legacy.

Which legacy would you prefer to applaud to?


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Just My Opinion ...
Jim Wexell - Feb 6, 6:17 AM 63

Backup QB Nick Foles after embarrassing the Patriots. (Photo: Matthew Emmons, USA TODAY Sports)


From the notebook of a sportswriter who has a few criticisms of the coaching in what's being called the latest greatest Super Bowl:

* Has Bill Belichick been fired yet? That was the battle cry in Boston on Monday morning.


* In Pittsburgh he would've been the first caller.
* After all, Belichick's team lacks discipline. His best cornerback reportedly missed curfew and some are reporting he had weed at the team hotel. So, Belichick benched him -- partly.
* Malcolm Butler still dressed and played one special teams snap. But when it came time to make the necessary adjustment, the great Belichick did not use Butler, his former Super Bowl hero. Belichick stuck with Eric Rowe, who was targeted a team-high nine times and gave up several key third downs and a touchdown.
* Most of the yardage was gained against Rowe early, when Belichick made the curious decision to put him on the Eagles' best receiver. Wasn't everybody in the fantasy football leagues expecting Stephon Gilmore to cover Alshon Jeffery? I mean, wasn't that a no-brainer?
* A former player for Belichick, Brandon Browner, ripped the decision to bench Butler on Instagram. Injured team leader Dont'a Hightower liked it. So, probably, did media sensation and know-it-all Colin Cowherd.
* I'm sure Cowherd's all over a coach who runs such a loose ship and makes curious decisions that no one else would make.
* Has Belichick at least fired his defensive staff yet? I mean, the unit allowed all 41 points, 374 yards passing and a 67-percent conversion rate on third and fourth downs -- to a BACKUP QUARTERBACK.
* There were people running wide open throughout the Patriots' secondary all night long. The miscommunications were rampant. Fifty-five yards on a wheel route? A poorly disciplined unit, no doubt.
* How bad was that coverage by the Patriots' free safety on the Zach Ertz game-winning touchdown catch? I have to admit, I've seen better safety play.
* P.S. Belichick used those words after eviscerating Anthony Smith in the "guarantee" game in 2007.
* P.S. Steelers fans used those words after any touchdown given up by Mike Mitchell.
* By the way, where was Trey Flowers? The guy had a sack and three QB hits against Tennessee, and nine tackles, four QB hits and a pass defense in the last Super Bowl. The team leader in sacks this season, as a rotational piece throughout the New England front, was given the job of plowhorse along the interior while a 39-year-old pick-up off the street was given all the snaps as the blind-side pass-rusher.
* The aforementioned backup quarterback dropped back 43 times and was never sacked.
* And what's with the Patriots' soft run defense? On top of the 374 yards passing, the Pats allowed 164 yards rushing at an eye-popping 6.1 yards per carry. That's not only undisciplined, that has to be poor scheming, and probably a lack of passion.
* The Patriots clearly were not prepared for this game. Perhaps they were looking ahead to the next decade.
* And if you're going to give up on a player, make sure he doesn't come back to haunt you in the playoffs. I mean, that's just common sense.
* It's little surprise that LeGarrette Blount, even in a rotational role, did come back to haunt Belichick with his 90 yards on 14 carries. The most damaging was the 21-yard touchdown run in the first half right through the soft edge on the right side of the defense.
* Where was Alan Branch? The 324-pound tackle was a force for the Patriots in 2016. The Steelers averaged only 3.5 per carry in two games against a front that Branch led in snaps. Belichick thought it best to de-activate him for this Super Bowl.
* The Eagles, by the way, dominated on the ground by using 11 personnel on all but one non-short-yardage carry. They ran out of a 3-WR set -- without a fullback -- all day and gored the Patriots.
* The poorly coached, undisciplined and unprepared Patriots.
* It's been how many years now since Belichick has had to replace Vince Wilfork, Willie McGinest, Richard Seymour, Tedy Bruschi, Mike Vrabel, Ty Law and Rodney Harrison? You would think that even with an average draft position of 32 the Patriots could do a better job rebuilding a defense that used to dominate these kinds of games.
* What about that ridiculous end around on third-and-2 near the goal line? Running wide against that speed? Not even a JV middle school coach would've called that play.
* But the cherry on top was sending your 40-year-old MVP -- really, the only thing keeping the dynasty together -- out for a pass only two plays after an Eagles defender had gored him in the belly on a pass play.
* I don't want to hear the words "That wouldn't happen in New England" ever again.
* Of course, the Eagles allowed 613 yards and single-covered Rob Gronkowski with a cornerback in every red-zone situation, twice with 5-10 1/2 Ronald Darby. At times that Eagles defensive unit was gassed and on its heels by Tom Brady's no-huddle tempo. Maybe the Eagles were as undisciplined as the Patriots.
* My point, of course, is that no one's firing anyone today. Organizations understand that poor performances happen to the best of coaches and teams. It's sports.


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Does anyone think the Eagles have superior offensive talent compared to us? They lost the best LT in football and their QB who was maybe going to be MVP and their O couldn't be stopped in the post season

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Foles threw 1 int in the playoffs. Hence, my theory that not ******* up is as important as being "elite"
 
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I don’t know why Belichick benched Butler nor do I care. He obviously had his reasons.
As for the loss to the Eagles, I loved it. Always been my second favorite team the Eagles. It’s a Pennsylvania thing for me having grown up in Pittsburgh and being a die hard Steeler fan, if they couldn’t be in the SB but the Eagles were you bet your *** I’m
Pulling for the Eagles.
The fact remains with not the most talented roster he continually has that team playing in the Super Bowl and our coach simply has not been able to overcome that team. He continually lets himself be out coached no matter where the game is played.
This latest loss to the Pats, Jesse James call aside. With the team up by 8 and Brady driving the field with Gronk, why was he not bracketed on that final drive? That’s on Tomlin if in fact he’s meddling in the defense as been reported.
Why does he seem to not make adjustments and continue with schemes that aren’t working?
He has been out coached for years against Belichick.



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Foles threw 1 int in the playoffs. Hence, my theory that not ******* up is as important as being "elite"
Just because he threw on int doesn't mean their offense is going to score almost 40 each game, hence the scheme was a huge reason for their success. Oh yeah and that pick was returned for a TD, how did they ever win after that?

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Doug Pedersen did a very smart thing. He went back to when Foles flourished in Chip Kelly’s scheme which was playing to Foles strengths. That was the scheme/game plan against the Pats defense of which Matt Patricia had zero answer.
Belichick and Patricia were simply out coached by Doug Pedersen. It happens!
And the Eagles don’t have this superior talent. Hell, our talent is far superior to the Eagles offensively but we can’t even crack 30 against the Pats.


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Doug Pedersen did a very smart thing. He went back to when Foles flourished in Chip Kelly’s scheme which was playing to Foles strengths. That was the scheme/game plan against the Pats defense of which Matt Patricia had zero answer.
Belichick and Patricia were simply out coached by Doug Pedersen. It happens!
And the Eagles don’t have this superior talent. Hell, our talent is far superior to the Eagles offensively but we can’t even crack 30 against the Pats.


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Our coaching hasn't elevated as opposed to the number of years our coach has been in the league. It's a simple answer,.....really.





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Stats: Steelers Run Defense Really Fell Apart After Shazier Went Down Injured

BY DAVE BRYAN FEBRUARY 18, 2018 AT 02:11 PM

During their annual end-of-the-season talks with the local media, both Pittsburgh Steelers team president Art Rooney II and general manager Kevin Colbert made sure to point out how the team’s run defense needs to improve in 2018. None of that was surprising, nor was the fact that Colbert was careful not to put all of the run defense problems last season on inside linebacker Ryan Shazier going down injured in Week 13.

While Colbert was wise not to put all of the blame for the Steelers poor run defense last season on Shazier going down injured, it’s worth noting how bad that unit was against the rush after he suffered the injury to his spine.

Below, I have compiled the run defense stats of the Steelers defense by week and these stats do not include things like quarterback scrambles, kneel-downs, aborted plays and plays wiped out by penalties. These stats also include the amount of successful run plays allowed along with the plays that gained either 10 yards or more and 20 yards or more.

In case you need a refresher course on the criteria I use to determine a successful run, here is quick recap. On first down, a successful run is one that gains 45% or more of the needed yardage. On second down, a successful run needs to gain 60% or more of the needed yardage. On third and fourth downs, however, 100% of the needed yardage must be gained in order for that play to be deemed a successful one.

As you can see below, the Steelers run defense got off to a shaky start at the beginning of the 2017 season. While the Steelers defensive unit did post respectable run success rate of 38.5% in their first five regular season games of 2017, they allowed 5.12 yards per rush, 19 runs of 10 yards or more and 6 runs of 20 yards or more.

After that shaky start to the 2017 season, the Steelers run defense did show signs of improvement in their next five games. During that 5-0 run the Steelers defense allowed just 2.75 yards per carry and a successful run rate of 33.3%, both of which are fantastic numbers. At that point there was hope that that unit had solved their run game woes.

Shazier, as most of you remember, was injured early in the Steelers Week 13 game. From that point forward, the Steelers run defense fell apart. Including that game against the Bengals and through their playoff loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Steelers run defense allowed 4.89 yards per carry and a horrible successful run rate of 50.4%. While the defense only gave up two runs of 20 yards or more in those 6 games, they did allow 16 runs of 10 yards or more. Shazier not being on the field for those six games was certainly noticeably in more ways than one and especially against the run and certainly in the playoff loss to the Jaguars.

In case you’re curious as to what the league average was last season when using the same criteria I used this in this study, I have those numbers for you as well. During the regular season, offenses averaged 4.11 yards per rush and had a successful run rate of 39.4%. In only six games last season was the Steelers defense under both of those averages in the same game. The teams they achieved that success against were the Cleveland Browns twice, the Kansas City Chiefs, the Detroit Lions, the Indianapolis Colts and the Tennessee Titans.

WEEK OPP RUSH YARDS YPR SUCC SUCC% 10 PLUS 20 PLUS
1 Browns 23 47 2.04 8 34.8% 0 0
2 Vikings 20 92 4.60 9 45.0% 2 1
3 Bears 36 219 6.08 15 41.7% 9 2
4 Ravens 15 86 5.73 6 40.0% 2 2
5 Jaguars 36 222 6.17 12 33.3% 6 1
6 Chiefs 12 15 1.25 2 16.7% 0 0
7 Bengals 14 63 4.50 4 28.6% 2 1
8 Lions 21 60 2.86 8 38.1% 1 0
10 Colts 23 52 2.26 9 39.1% 0 0
11 Titans 17 49 2.88 6 35.3% 2 0
12 Packers 23 74 3.22 11 47.8% 1 0
13 Bengals 22 130 5.91 14 63.6% 4 0
14 Ravens 26 152 5.85 17 65.4% 3 1
15 Patriots 17 79 4.65 12 70.6% 1 0
16 Texans 26 163 6.27 10 38.5% 5 1
17 Browns 19 27 1.42 4 21.1% 0 0
19 Jaguars 31 138 4.45 14 45.2% 3 0
SEASON TOTALS 381 1668 4.38 161 42.3%

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Shazier, as most of you remember, was injured early in the Steelers Week 13 game. From that point forward, the Steelers run defense fell apart. Including that game against the Bengals and through their playoff loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars

It is for this very reason that I am against bringing another Shazier clone into this defense ADJ. If one player's absence can do this much damage to a system, why don't we change the system to something just as productive but not so vulnerable ?

The defense has been productive before with out a cheetah playin' in the middle. I am more inclined to use a defense that favors the lion.

Lioncub2DM01031_468x287.jpg


I read the article about our lack of "enforcer" and agree wholeheartedly. This defense may need a ground up reevaluation. Let's get back to 'platoon' football with a host of quality players working together in a solid proven system that isn't dependent on one special type player to succeed.....jus sayin'
 
They still had their worst two games with Shazier in there, it's not like we were just shutting people down with him.

In today's NFL though you need Ryan Shazier, or someone very similar to him, have to have speed at ILB now

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I'm not sure Shazier would have made much of difference against the Jaguars, but they could have really used him against the Patriots to help defend Gronkowski.

Overall, I still think the OLBs and safeties are the biggest issues.
 
It is for this very reason that I am against bringing another Shazier clone into this defense ADJ. If one player's absence can do this much damage to a system, why don't we change the system to something just as productive but not so vulnerable ?

The defense has been productive before with out a cheetah playin' in the middle. I am more inclined to use a defense that favors the lion.

Lioncub2DM01031_468x287.jpg


I read the article about our lack of "enforcer" and agree wholeheartedly. This defense may need a ground up reevaluation. Let's get back to 'platoon' football with a host of quality players working together in a solid proven system that isn't dependent on one special type player to succeed.....jus sayin'

Awesome pic Chip....wish we saw what happened after....Did the King come back and teach the cub a lesson, or did the wives tell him to go sit in the tall grass. Lol...


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I'm not sure Shazier would have made much of difference against the Jaguars, but they could have really used him against the Patriots to help defend Gronkowski.

Overall, I still think the OLBs and safeties are the biggest issues.

I think Watt will continue development. I think a long season for him, and a rookie wall played into a slight end of season drop off. His work ethic would lend me to believe he is more what we saw out of the gates. I can't wait to see what he puts on film year 2.
 
Just because he threw on int doesn't mean their offense is going to score almost 40 each game, hence the scheme was a huge reason for their success. Oh yeah and that pick was returned for a TD, how did they ever win after that?

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Did i miss an INT? This one wasnt returned for an INT. I didnt say, in case you didnt notice, that not ******* up means you will score 40 points. It DOES stop you offense from giving up points.

In any case, one mistake that gives up points is easier to overcome than 2, yes? For those of you that live in an alternate reality, that may not be the case.

https://youtu.be/c-Rpdp626jE
 
Did i miss an INT? This one wasnt returned for an INT. I didnt say, in case you didnt notice, that not ******* up means you will score 40 points. It DOES stop you offense from giving up points.

In any case, one mistake that gives up points is easier to overcome than 2, yes? For those of you that live in an alternate reality, that may not be the case.

https://youtu.be/c-Rpdp626jE
Didn't he throw a pick 6 in the NFC title game? Everyone puts the blame on Ben just as much as the D for the Jax loss.
Its amazing you're not willing to say their scheme isn't a huge part of their success, when they have a QB who was about to quit, lost the best LT in football, uses 3 rbs, and not one elite wr. Yep the scheme isn't a huge part there

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