Yea, all of the lower level college linebacker picks we've wasted by drafting them.
Kent State disagrees...
Kent State disagrees...
With the 102nd overall pick, the Pittsburgh Steelers select OLB Alex Highsmith
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I guess you're going way back to 1974 and Jack Lambert, because James Harrison was undrafted. Lambert was a second round talent, 46th overall, and really of no relevance to any of this, but thanks for the input.
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It's a big thread, thanks for bringing this back up. Sutton Smith is a pretty bad comparison though.
Hard to ignore the first-round pick. The Steelers didn't package it to move up or something, they got an All-Pro player in his second year for it. A third-rounder selection is a third-round selection. Completely irrelevant which number in the draft it is for you. But I agree he very well could've been there for either fourth-round pick. Who are you taking instead?
.1 speed differential with Watt. One ran a 4.69 the other a 4.7. His speed or strength really isn't a concern IMO. Level of competition is to a certain degree. But that doesn't mean he would have been available later as pass rushers are in high demand. Small school prospects are always carrying concerns but that third round comp pick is alarmingly close to a 4th round pick. His production and get off was enough for me to warrant a look for where he was picked.
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Well, either the kid succeeds, justifying the pick; or he doesn't, justifying your disdain. We'll find out which over the course of his rookie contract.
As for the 20 bench reps, I'm sure that you remember saying that doing only 20 reps meant the kid was weak. I posted the other players' reps not to say he was as good as them (although again, time will tell that story), but rather to show that some draftees who were from big time programs and considered NFL talent posted a similar bench. Others posted Watt and Miller's to show that 20 reps doesn't make a player weak and/or ineffective. Nobody, I mean nobody, said the kid was the next coming of Watt or Miller; just that those guys succeeded at the NFL level after posting bench press reps that you qualified as belonging to someone who is weak. In any event, since the kid hasn't played one single down of NFL football, I'll reserve judgment on him until he actually has the chance to show what he is and/or can become.
As for the 20 bench reps, I'm sure that you remember saying that doing only 20 reps meant the kid was weak. I posted the other players' reps not to say he was as good as them (although again, time will tell that story), but rather to show that some draftees who were from big time programs and considered NFL talent posted a similar bench. Others posted Watt and Miller's to show that 20 reps doesn't make a player weak and/or ineffective. Nobody, I mean nobody, said the kid was the next coming of Watt or Miller; just that those guys succeeded at the NFL level after posting bench press reps that you qualified as belonging to someone who is weak. In any event, since the kid hasn't played one single down of NFL football, I'll reserve judgment on him until he actually has the chance to show what he is and/or can become.
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So just asking for clarification is he still weak or no?
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Won’t disagree with what you got here, however this guy they grabbed a little early, is now in a three battle with what we have as back ups he is good enough to shore up the slot, allowing us to move on... hole filled. Gives Skipper and the other a fire to want to get better. Only one will emerge, it was something they had to address, maybe the feel 15 pounds of leg muscle in 9 months can make him a beast. You can’t win by picking the obvious choice every time. Realize who he really replacing its not Dud Dupree it’s his back up who is no longer on the team. I might of quoted the wrong guy Tequila!!
I was comparing their size/measurables, which minus the 3-cone drill time, aren't all that different. If you're going to freak out that the one jumped 4 inches higher than the other, go right ahead. But my point still stands that their size/measurables aren't all that different. I know he's not TJ Watt. I was simply refuting an argument you were making about him being the next Sutton Smith.
Go **** yourself you pompous little know-it-all. Don't ever act like you're above making grade school insults because somebody is having a disagreement with you.
Notice how the haters immediately jump to hyperbole and put words in our mouths as though anyone who sees promise in Highsmith likens him to the next coming of TJ Watt??? LOL!
Anytime, and Harrison is even more relevant since he was undrafted and became a small school starter at LB.
You're welcome.
I already explained the Sutton Smith comparison, though:
Again, never said they were exactly the same. The concern with Highsmith is his strength. He's most likely too slow to play linebacker, and too weak to rush the passer in the NFL. That's why he's in the 'tweener category (and he clearly is not a first or second round talent like those comparisons above), so I would've preferred to have seen him taken in a later round, especially in this short-handed draft. Nothing silly about it.
SteelerFan448 said:
Well, I'm not questioning Minkah here, so I'm not sure why you're bringing that up.
Honestly, I was hoping they'd take Jacob Eason with the pick, because I'm not confident in either of the backup quarterbacks. He's got all the physical tools to be a starting NFL quarterback, and is the perfect candidate to learn the ropes behind Ben for his last year or two. Also liked Troy Pride (good fit for their secondary) and Tyler Biadasz (and yes, I know he dropped to #146, but I still think he's NFL ready despite some injury concerns).
One year of production at Charlotte after having 6 sacks in his first 3 seasons isn't enough for me, but I hope you're right.
I believe what I said was that 20 bench reps is below average, which it is.
I'm pretty certain that regardless of what his bench press is, most every scouting report you can find on the guy notes that he will need to add strength, which he does.
I'm quite certain that you and others tried to cherry pick bench press numbers of successful NFL players to try and prove a straw man argument, from which you're now trying to backpedal.
*sigh*
You're absolutely right. There's no possible way to conclude from your prior statement that you were implying the kid is too weak to take on NFL linemen on a regular basis. None at all. *Sigh*
Yeah, minus the huge differences in 3-cone and vertical, they're like clones. Right on. You're so full of ****.
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Oh, I see...you can tell me to "get the **** outta here," but I can't have a little fun at your expense after that? Don't ever act like you're not a whiny little hypocrite.
I did say he was weak, just like every other scouting report. Do you believe he can take on NFL lineman right now, or does he need to add strength?
Can't you read?
Well, I'm not the guy who posted anonymous combine numbers (even though several weren't even close), and followed it up with this comment:
"#1 is Pro-Bowler and beast TJ Watt. #2 is Alex Highsmith."
Yeah, nothing hyperbolic about that there. Great point.
*sigh*
This is what you said:
"Yea, all of the lower level college linebacker picks we've wasted by drafting them."
Except by defintion, it's impossible for the Steelers to have wasted a draft pick on an undrafted player. C'mon, bro, you're making this too easy.
*Yawn* .... This guy is boring. Talks in more circles than a politician at a revival.
Looks like you and the other clown didn't like the sigh...so sad.
Get the **** outta here.
I never get bored with kicking your sorry *** in at least one argument per year. It's fun.
If you say so slick. Everyone is entitled to their own delusions. On a good note (for you), your delusion means you can continue fellating yourself for the rest of the night.
You're ******* delusional kid, but if you think coming on at night talking like a smartass know-it-all douchebag, prepare for some blowback.