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When was the last time a QB looked bad/avg well into year 2, and still turned out to

What would you think of stats like this for a 3rd year QB? 57.6%, 2,108 yds, 11 TD's, 15 Ints. He only started 11 games due to injury in the 11th game, but that was the 3rd year
for Drew Brees. He didn't have a decent year until his 4th year.

Not many QB's would be lighting it up on a team with no running game and constant injuries to RB's, a rookie as #2 receiver and a#3 WR trying to find himself.
 
madinsomniac said:
He literally says he was on the verge of being benched in his fourth year...
That is not what he says in his own words....
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When did he say that? He had the 3rd higest QB rating in the NFL behind Peyton Manning and Daunte Culpepper and made the pro bowl. I remember those years well. Drew Brees badly tore his rotator cuff / shoulder in one of the last games in 2005 and they were not sure if he could make it back from that. There was speculation that he would never regain 100% motion and that his career outlook was iffy. The Chargers already had Rivers so they let him go.
 
Rudolph was under constant pressure last night and had 2 of his top receivers knocked out of the game from cheap shots. He was down to Holton, a practice squad guy and Washington at WR which is only 3 receivers, which greatly reduced your play calling options from the playbook. Let's not run him out of town, Ben has put up his share of stinkers in Cleveland too under adverse conditions. Not to mention the team having to deal with a travel day on a short weak, there's a reason the road team only wins Thursday night games about 20% of the time.
 
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What would you think of stats like this for a 3rd year QB? 57.6%, 2,108 yds, 11 TD's, 15 Ints. He only started 11 games due to injury in the 11th game, but that was the 3rd year
for Drew Brees. He didn't have a decent year until his 4th year.

Not many QB's would be lighting it up on a team with no running game and constant injuries to RB's, a rookie as #2 receiver and a#3 WR trying to find himself.
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It wasn’t an injury... he was benched for flutie after several games where he failed to throw for 100 yards...

Young guys struggle... you play them through it and coach them up...

Mason isn’t likely to become a Brees, or brady, or Ben... but what you see seven games in isn’t the finished product... Tom brady three years in was a if tge first read isn’t open, dump it to the rb game manager...

Even with Ben, they didn’t run a full offense that year... they insulated him a ton....

Look at the Ravens... that offense is tailored to LJs strengths... look at virtually all the other highly touted qbs from that draft class... all have struggled at times and are flawed.

One in a dozen first round qbs are able to start effectively their first year... fewer are able to actually win... it’s fairly rare, even in this day and age...
I just hate how fans make snap judgements about guys half a season in and cannot shake it ever... if Rudolph did develop into a pro bowler there will be guys griping that he isn’t a hof type... hell people still ***** about ben...
 
Never mind, we posted at the same time.. Good article. Never realized Brees was that scrutinized.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Because Dobbs will never be more than a backup and Rudolph has the potential to be a starter.
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Mind you, it’s very possible that he doesn’t make it, but the brass seems to think he is a legit project and that's why you don’t see a vet here... he is taw... but he has a shot...
 
I've seen too many second and third string QBs carve up our defense in the past to believe Mason can ever be more than a backup. If you're starter material, your going to have some flashes of greatness in a hopeless situation. I see Mason as a Mark Malone QB - he can win sometimes with a good supporting cast but when you face a team with equivalent talent he isn't good enough to swing the balance.
 
madinsomniac said:
It wasn’t an injury... he was benched for flutie after several games where he failed to throw for 100 yards...

Young guys struggle... you play them through it and coach them up...

Mason isn’t likely to become a Brees, or brady, or Ben... but what you see seven games in isn’t the finished product... Tom brady three years in was a if tge first read isn’t open, dump it to the rb game manager...

Even with Ben, they didn’t run a full offense that year... they insulated him a ton....

Look at the Ravens... that offense is tailored to LJs strengths... look at virtually all the other highly touted qbs from that draft class... all have struggled at times and are flawed.

One in a dozen first round qbs are able to start effectively their first year... fewer are able to actually win... it’s fairly rare, even in this day and age...
I just hate how fans make snap judgements about guys half a season in and cannot shake it ever... if Rudolph did develop into a pro bowler there will be guys griping that he isn’t a hof type... hell people still ***** about ben...
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There is zero comparison between Ben then and Rudolph now, just watch games, you don't need stats. Yes we ran the ball then, but that was the NFL, run the ball, but throwing the ball was alot harder, the rules weren't skewed toward it being a passing league yet. Ben still made some big time throws then, made plays that made you take notice. 5 4th quarter come backs and 4 game winning drives as a rookie, not a 2nd year starter, a rookie.
So just stop with the comparisons, you could see from basically Ben's first preseason he had it, and was going to be pretty damn good.
 
Dumpoff has regressed, no doubt. Granted, he's playing with preseason scrubs out there. But he's not seeing the field, he's holding the ball too long, and he's flat making **** throws. Could be growing pains, but it looks more like he just doesn't have it.
 
Coryea said:
There is zero comparison between Ben then and Rudolph now, just watch games, you don't need stats. Yes we ran the ball then, but that was the NFL, run the ball, but throwing the ball was alot harder, the rules weren't skewed toward it being a passing league yet. Ben still made some big time throws then, made plays that made you take notice. 5 4th quarter come backs and 4 game winning drives as a rookie, not a 2nd year starter, a rookie.
So just stop with the comparisons, you could see from basically Ben's first preseason he had it, and was going to be pretty damn good.
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Stop trying to use Rudolphs short comings to make ben look better ……. :blah:
 
I remember when a lot of people wanted to Dump Ben and go for Bortles, it was right after a trip to Georgia. :) How time changes viewpoints. This team does not appear to have an offense that is going to hold up if it does make it to the playoffs. I had some hope over the last few weeks, but I just don't know if we have the firepower to go anywhere. Remember, even WITH Ben for a game and half how much were we lighting up the scoreboard on offense this year? Now we have a guy making his first 7 starts, it is what it is. We will see where we end up, but at least by the end of this season we should know what we have or don't have at qb.

Joe
 
Mason's mechanics go to **** when he starts to feel pressure. He needs more time and a competent coach to help continue his development. Fichtner is not that guy.
 
You don't watch that game and decide you don't think Mason is a franchise QB. He had nothing to work with. I think he maxes out as an Andy Dalton type QB. I hope he's way better than that, but I haven't seen a special "it" factor from him.
 
Steelin said:
Bradshaw 4 time SB champion HOF and horrid in his early play. Pittsburgh fans wanted to ditch him too. Where would the team be without him? Ironic.
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Yeah, this is as far as I need to read on this thread. Bradshaw was as bad if not worse than Mason in his second season. Not many of us around that witnessed it I guess. We would watch him from our end zone seats look totally confused down in the red zone in front of us and laugh at him.

Time and experience may be the answer, then again maybe not....I guess we shall see.

Bradshaw started really bad...lol

Year..... Team..... GP..... Att..... Com.... Pct..... Yards..... YDS/G..... Long..... TD..... Int.... QB Rating ... Record
1970..... PIT....... 13..... 218..... 83...... 38.1.... 1,410..... 108.5....... .90 ...... 6....... 24..... 30.4............. 5–9
1971..... PIT....... 14..... 373..... 203..... 54.4.... 2,259..... 161.4........ — ......13 ..... 22..... 59.7............ 6–8
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Bradshaw always had a special arm. Another cannon behind him in Gilliam. Nothing special about Rudolph that I‘ve seen yet.
 
CharlesDavenport said:
Bradshaw always had a special arm. Another cannon behind him in Gilliam. Nothing special about Rudolph that I‘ve seen yet.
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Agreed, and I have lots of friends in OK that say Rudolph was **** in college. Couldn't hold ******* Baker's jock. I always thought they were dumbass homers, but Mason is proving me wrong. He's just not that good. I lost count of how many passes were off target. There were two long passes where if he just led them it would have been an easy TD. Kent Graham < Mason < Tommy Maddox.
 
SteelChip said:
Yeah, this is as far as I need to read on this thread. Bradshaw was as bad if not worse than Mason in his second season. Not many of us around that witnessed it I guess. We would watch him from our end zone seats look totally confused down in the red zone in front of us and laugh at him.

Time and experience may be the answer, then again maybe not....I guess we shall see.

Bradshaw started really bad...lol
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That's because he was trying to spell CAT and Hollywood hadn't spotted home the C and the T yet..........



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Drew Brees looked pretty pedestrian his first 3 years in the league.....obviously the Chargers front office lost faith in him because they drafted Eli Manning #1 overall to be his replacement in 2004. Brees went on in 2004 to go 11-4 and had a good year in 2005 too before tearing his rotater cuff in the playoffs that season. Seeing what Rudolph had to throw the football too late in the game last night....don't get too hung up on his poor performance. Tevin Jones playing in his first NFL Game and Johnny Holton combined with 2nd year WR James Washington.
 
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