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What is Tomlin's record vs. 25% winning record teams or lower?

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You guys gotta be kidding me with this. Is it soooo impossible to imagine us losing that game when considering:

1.) Our franchise QB was injured before the half... Hell, I could stop the list right there.

2.) We are starting SEVERAL backup's on both offense and defense.
3.) We were on the road.

Not really a recipe for a success.

And Hoodie could walk into that exact same situation and still win by 20. He doesn't need excuses. But with Tomlin, if he doesn't have his future Hall-of-Famer QB, his teams implode.

When facing teams with 25% winning records or worse, he loses twice as much as he wins. That sucks bull balls. There ain't no other way to put it.
 
And Hoodie could walk into that exact same situation and still win by 20. He doesn't need excuses. But with Tomlin, if he doesn't have his future Hall-of-Famer QB, his teams implode.

When facing teams with 25% winning records or worse, he loses twice as much as he wins. That sucks bull balls. There ain't no other way to put it.

Last year he was one missed Fg by Scobee from going 3-1 without Ben. Just like Hoodie went without Brady this year.
 
And Hoodie could walk into that exact same situation and still win by 20. He doesn't need excuses. But with Tomlin, if he doesn't have his future Hall-of-Famer QB, his teams implode.

When facing teams with 25% winning records or worse, he loses twice as much as he wins. That sucks bull balls. There ain't no other way to put it.

First off- the bolded is just a flat out lie...

Second- There is a very clear distinction between coming into the game KNOWING your backup will be your QB vs. Losing your franchise QB in the middle of the game.
 
The only part I disagree with is that the QB wasn't hurt for most of the first half, MIA D was ranked last or near it on rushing yards allowed and we only scored 8 points. In only one game had their D allowed less than 3.5 ypa rushing. We should have been crushing them.

In the first half, we were 1-5 on third down. In the first Qtr, we had the ball over 10 min. 2nd quarter just over 3.

Gamebook shows 119 first half yard rushing. Taking out the 60 yard run by DHB puts us at, almost 5 ypc. Total rushing for the game was 128 with only 3 more rushes in the second half. Those three rushes were in the first possession of the 3rd period and only down by 8 at that time.


I agree with you. Should have just run the ball into the ground.

Only thing that I can imagine is that Ben/Haley figured that they would try to pick on MIA's weak secondary. I am sure that once they determined that this wasnt an option, they wouldve made an adjustment at halftime. Unfortunatlely, when Ben was hobbled, that option went out the door.
 
And Hoodie could walk into that exact same situation and still win by 20. He doesn't need excuses. But with Tomlin, if he doesn't have his future Hall-of-Famer QB, his teams implode.

When facing teams with 25% winning records or worse, he loses twice as much as he wins. That sucks bull balls. There ain't no other way to put it.

hoodie cheats....There aint no other way to put it.
 
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Yeah because Cowher got us how many rings? And how many years did it take him?....but we would be working on 9 or 10 with him. OK

1 ring in the first 3 years of the young and inexperienced franchise QB

Tomlin, on the other hand, 1 ring in 9 years with a franchise QB at his peak.
 
http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1718480-overrated-pretenders

Loss in Miami exposed Steelers - again

MATT STEEL
10:44 AM
Matt Steel penned what just might be THE definitive column about these Pittsburgh Steelers.

The title sounds like I'm upset. But I'm not. I haven't had the juices flowing for a Steelers game the last three or four seasons. Yes, the defense was obviously putrid Sunday. Big plays, poor tackles, holes off stretch plays in the C gap you could drive trucks through -- I get it. But this team's strength is supposed to be the offense. That unit is supposed to carry this team. And yet year in and year out we see the SAME thing over and over again.

I wrote this a few years back when the Steelers were losing to the 1-8 New York Jets and 7-9 New Orleans Saints, and the worst team in the league at the time, the Tampa Bay Bucs, at home: This offense will be a roller coaster. It will look great some weeks and then out of nowhere, when a poor team has a good game plan against the Steelers passing attack, the Steelers will lose to an inferior opponent. And for several years, my primary point has been that when you look to physically control an inferior opponent, you can easily break them mentally. And how how do you break them physically and mentally? You run the damn ball.

I turned on the TV this morning getting ready for work and I heard Merril Hoge talking about the Dallas Cowboys on ESPN. Hoge explained how the Cowboys dictated tempo and control of the game by running the football. They did the same thing in 2014 with DeMarco Murray, despite most "media experts" predicting the Cowboys' last-place 2013 defense would be even worse with the loss of DeMarcus Ware. In 2015 we saw the Cowboys struggle on both sides of the ball with the loss of Murray in free agency and the return to a pass-heavy offense. With the suspension of Randy Gregory and injury to top 2015 pick Demarcus Lawrence, the experts were predicting the demise of that defense this year. Yet in spite of all that, the Cowboys are 4-1 with a defense that has just 10 total sacks, topped, with 2, by two guys I didn't even know were with the organization.

The game is never going to change in this way. Your running game will always provide consistency. It provides a team with a strong foundational structure. When you decide to get away from that, philosophically, you create leaks in your team foundation. And occasionally those leaks will be exploited and the dam will blow up in your face, even against the most gawd-awful teams.

Lets go back in time a bit. In 2014: five sacks and two turnovers against Tampa Bay; 10 points, including a late meaningless score, against the Browns; 13 points against the Jets; and four combined garbage-time touchdowns against the Jets, Browns and Saints in those games. In 2015, 17 points, including a late and somewhat garbage-time score against the Ravens in Baltimore.

In the last three seasons, all three lowB repuS champions enjoyed a bye week in the playoffs. The worst loss any of those championship teams had was to a 7-9 team. Without Ben Roethlisberger, along with other injuries, the Steelers are looking like they are headed to a 4-3 record and might very likely be on the outside looking in when it comes to getting a bye week, once again due to another loss to a poor football team.

All week, I wondered whether this game would turn out similar to the 2014 game against the Jets. In that game, Roethlisberger threw two interceptions and Le'Veon Bell had 11 carries. Against the Dolphins, Ben threw two interceptions and Bell had 10 carries. The Steelers have a luxury with Bell that no other team who's had a Hall of Fame-caliber back may never have had: They have a guy who doesn't fumble. One fumble in what is now his fourth season, and yet they still won't consistently hand it to him.

Yes, William Gay could have turned the game with a pick-six that would have put the Steelers up 15-3. But the critical sequence was the sack out of field-goal range in which the Steelers abandoned their rhythmic mix of run and pass that got them to that point of the field. On third down, they called a play in which Jesse James had to block Cameron Wake one on one, and, knowing this, Ben still held the ball too long and cost his team three points. And rather than re-establish the run on the very next play, Ben got injured scrambling and was intercepted, Finally, when the appearance of Landry Jones forced the Steelers to give Bell three carries to net 26 yards, they decided to get cute and out-think the Dolphins with a throw on third-and-1. Incomplete, punt, touchdown.

The defense was on the field for much of the first half, but at least they were making the Dolphins settle for field goals. Had the Steelers looked to control tempo with a steady mix, it's likely they would've owned possession of the ball and kept their defense off the field. The Steelers failing passing game allowed the putrid Dolphins to control tempo, which was too much for that defense to handle.

Are you telling me if you give the ball to Bell, say, 24 times, he's not going to churn out at least 100-104 yards against that defense? And in doing so protect the ball and keep your beat-up defense off the field? Come on, that's all they needed to do to control and eventually win the game. But this coaching staff has been showing a complete disregard for the defensive side of the ball for some time now, when it comes to in-game decisions. They never support their defense with playcalls under two minutes that would leave the opponent with no time left once they get the ball. No need to look back further than the previous week when the Steelers wanted to achieve their offensive goal of scoring 30 points instead of running the ball, running out the clock, and exposing their defense to less plays in the last two minutes of the contest.

It all seems like decisions are made to keep the $100 million QB happy. And this loss starts with Roethlisberger. We see far too many people who live in world of comforting beliefs rather than facts. Never is that more apparent in society than during election season. Roethlisberger is no different. He "believes" he can do exactly what Tom Brady does. But he can't. Because for whatever reason the facts are that there are 2-4 games a year when Ben looks like a completely different human being out there. He never has and shown that he ever will be that consistent when it's all on him. Most games he hums along beautifully, but then out of nowhere come games of erratic passing and decision-making. Ben doesn't want to "believe" he never has nor ever will be as consistent as Brady. So he's pushed and pushed to change the foundation with which this franchise built six championships. Meanwhile if seems like Todd Haley and Mike Tomlin don't want to rock the boat of a guy who makes nearly a hundred million more than they do.

In 2008, Mike Tomlin had no problem letting the media know that the Steelers' objective was winning when it came to Willie Parker's gripe about running the football. In the trophy case were "Lombardi Trophies not rushing titles." And yet when Roethlisberger decided with impeccable timing to voice his displeasure about the physicality of training camp and injuries, Tomlin backed down and seemingly obliged his quarterback. I guess it wouldn't be appropriate to bash another franchise, but an ideal response might've been that "Ben should be careful to compare the Steelers to a franchise that has won one playoff game in 60 years." I could understand not saying that, but maybe a more appropriate response would've been: "I'll coach the football team. Ben should concentrate on doing his job and that's playing quarterback for this football team." Regardless if it was a message Ben voiced from other players on the team, Tomlin has to let everyone know that as the leader he will not be second-guessed. But he didn't. And Ben should have addressed it with Tomlin, not the media.

But those tea leaves should tell you who's really steering the ship, and that just can't happen with championship teams. Tom Brady might be the best quarterback in NFL history, but Bill Belichick still steers that ship. And that's the primary reason why the Steelers are nothing but overrated pretenders.
 
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Again, watching Timmons puke all over the field, one has to wonder if the staff was completely unprepared for the heat and humidity.

Just a debacle from start to finish. But not planning to utilize Bell heavily was a crime. Just a crime. This offense just SCREAMS run the ball and then go with play action. You've got Bell AND Williams. We ought to be able to pound the **** out of just about anybody. And when they load up the box, Ben should be able to get the ball to Brown and Coates to kill them.

But no... Somebody's got to come up with a super-clever game plan.

Good stuff.
 
Again, watching Timmons puke all over the field, one has to wonder if the staff was completely unprepared for the heat and humidity.

Just a debacle from start to finish. But not planning to utilize Bell heavily was a crime. Just a crime. This offense just SCREAMS run the ball and then go with play action. You've got Bell AND Williams. We ought to be able to pound the **** out of just about anybody. And when they load up the box, Ben should be able to get the ball to Brown and Coates to kill them.

But no... Somebody's got to come up with a super-clever game plan.

Good stuff.

Timmons always does that. He should know how to get him self ready he's a ten year vet. They could help themselves by not getting ran in and having to stay out there. The offense could of tried the same tactic and ran the ball too.
 
14 losses since 2009 to teams with .195 combined win %

Yes, its true, This isn't some sort of fluke, its a real problem where the leadership and head coach should be held accountable. I bet we all assumed the below games would be a " W ".


2009, Week 11: 6-3 Steelers lose to 2-7 Chiefs, 27-24. Line: Steelers -11.5
2009, Week 13: 6-5 Steelers lose to 3-8 Raiders, 27-24. Line: Steelers -15.0
2009, Week 14: 6-6 Steelers lose to 1-11 Browns, 13-6. Line: Steelers -10.0
2012, Week 3: 1-1 Steelers lose to 0-2 Raiders, 34-31. Line: Steelers -4.0
2012, Week 6: 2-2 Steelers lose to 1-4 Titans, 26-23. Line: Steelers -6.5
2012, Week 12: 6-4 Steelers lose to 2-8 Browns, 20-14. Line: Steelers -2.0
2012, Week 14: 7-4 Steelers lose to 4-8 Chargers, 34-24. Line: Steelers -7.5
2013, Week 4: 0-3 Steelers lose to 0-3 Vikings, 34-27. Line: Steelers -3.0
2013, Week 8: 2-4 Steelers lose to 2-4 Raiders, 21-18. Line: Steelers -2.5
2014, Week 4: 2-1 Steelers lose to 0-3 Buccaneers, 27-24. Line: Steelers -7.5
2014, Week 10: 6-3 Steelers lose to 1-8 Jets, 20-13. Line: Steelers -4.0
2014, Week 13: 7-4 Steelers lose to the 4-7 Saints, 35-32. Line: Steelers -3.5
2015, Week 16: 9-5 Steelers lose to the 4-10 Ravens, 20-10. Line: Steelers -10.0
2016, Week 6: 4-1 Steelers lose to the 1-4 Dolphins, 30-15. Line: Steelers -7.0

cbssports.com/nfl/news/the-steelers-record-against-terrible-teams-remains-terrible-after-loss-to-dolphins/?linkId=30000235
 
So this thread is different then the 9 page thread we have on the very same topic????
 
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So this thread is different then the 9 page thread we have on the very same topic????

I put in some data just so you can see who badly Tomlin coached teams have done vs NFL doormats since 2009.
 
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I put in some data just so you can see who badly Tomlin coached teams have done vs NFL doormats since 2009.

Oh ok so the mods moved it for nothing dumb mods ruining your thread
 
2015, Week 16: 9-5 Steelers lose to the 4-10 Ravens, 20-10. Line: Steelers -10.0

Look at the game book. Ben threw two int's and had a 63.4 rating. We all say it is Ben who stirs the drink.

the offense scored 10 points. Again, if you cant score two TD's, you deserve to lose.

you don't have problems making excuses for the other team when we win..."oooh, if so and so hadn't dropped that pass, blah, blah, blah" you should spend some time looking to see what went wrong rather than looking at the final score.
 
I don't have the time to do this, but wondering if anyone can do a little digging to find out what our playoff positioning could have been in all those seasons had we won all those games instead of lost them. A comparison between what our playoff positioning actually was vs. what it would have been had we won those games Coach posted
 
Oh ok so the mods moved it for nothing dumb mods ruining your thread

More data for you:

The Steelers are 5-11 playing an under .500 team on the road under Tomlin.

Maybe you can tell us why Tomlin coached teams lose so often to bad teams and why the Steelers have 14 losses since 2009 to teams with .195 combined win %

All ears...
 
I don't have the time to do this, but wondering if anyone can do a little digging to find out what our playoff positioning could have been in all those seasons had we won all those games instead of lost them. A comparison between what our playoff positioning actually was vs. what it would have been had we won those games Coach posted

In quite a few years we missed the playoffs by just one game. But that's not the entire story. The Steelers are 1-5 in their last six playoff games. Some of them were on the road and could have homes games if the team didn't lose a regular-season game to a door mat.
 
More data for you:

The Steelers are 5-11 playing an under .500 team on the road under Tomlin.

Maybe you can tell us why Tomlin coached teams lose so often to bad teams and why the Steelers have 14 losses since 2009 to teams with .195 combined win %

All ears...

How about you go back and read the thread.
 
How long ago was that? This thread was started because he lost to a 1-4 type team AGAIN!

Two idiots in a pod
 
Any time a Tomlin coached team loses a game to a bad team, there should be a thread on it. It's not a fad, its a trend.
 
In quite a few years we missed the playoffs by just one game. But that's not the entire story. The Steelers are 1-5 in their last six playoff games. Some of them were on the road and could have homes games if the team didn't lose a regular-season game to a door mat.

And we all know too well that that sole win wasn't down to our brilliant HC. More to the stupidity from the most stupid team in the NFL, their ex-convicts they have as players and their playoff-winless HC.
 
FYI

While our great leader of men is 29-8 (.784 win percentage) when heavy favorites (7.5 points or more), Bill Belichick and the Patriots are 48-5 (.906 win percentage) since 2009.

Took me a while to put that together. But don't worry. They aren't good. They just cheat.

It comes from the top. Take care of business. Don't let your guard down. Prepare like always. The great teams and coaches do it. Bad teams and coaches don't.
 
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