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The commentators made a point of the idea that, in prior years, it was a less likely made FG, but that end had been closed in, alleviating the issue that was there.
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The commentators made a point of the idea that, in prior years, it was a less likely made FG, but that end had been closed in, alleviating the issue that was there.
that's nice coach,, I wasn't talking to you. No do I ever. you post enough I don't need to see more. It was actually addressed to antdrew.. and I'm pretty sure he don't want to talk to you either.. nor does he need your help.
I have faith they could get 2 yards.. Nix was dressed yesterday too. So theres that.
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Our kicker is fine.
The problem is with coaches (around the league, not just Tomlin) that don't understand math enough to realize kicking comes with a chance of failure and that failure is proportional to the distance away from the goalposts.
Too many coaches seem to think there's this "magic line" or "range" where the percentage past the line is 100% and the percentage behind the line is 0%. It's stupid and ignorant.
Coaches need to treat FG's as a roll of the dice and understand those percentages PERFECTLY in all instances because choosing to go for a FG is always a gamble and as an NFL head coach, you better be damn sure of what you are gambling and what you expect to get back.
The problem is with coaches (around the league, not just Tomlin) that don't understand math enough to realize kicking comes with a chance of failure and that failure is proportional to the distance away from the goalposts.
Too many coaches seem to think there's this "magic line" or "range" where the percentage past the line is 100% and the percentage behind the line is 0%. It's stupid and ignorant.
Coaches need to treat FG's as a roll of the dice and understand those percentages PERFECTLY in all instances because choosing to go for a FG is always a gamble and as an NFL head coach, you better be damn sure of what you are gambling and what you expect to get back.
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I agree with this. There are appropriate times to try a 54 yarder and there are appropriate times to go for the 1st down. At that point in the game, it was more appropriate (higher percentage) to try for the 1st down with only 2 yards to go. 4th and 10, I agree with kicking. Hell we go for 2 more often than any other team in the league so you would think down 2 scores and needing points that 2 yard decision would be a no brainer. It's that kind of arbitrary decision making that frustrates a lot of fans with this coaching staff.
My gut was saying go for it in the moment but I didn't have confidence in Landry to get it.
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couldn't have been said better, this rings true, absolutely.
As far as I'm concerned, Tomlin gave up in this game. We had 4th and 2 from their 38ish late in the 4th, down by 2 scores, and he doesn't go for it. Instead, he goes for a career kick for Boz who already missed a much easier kick from 42. Missing the kick would and did give them the ball at the 48ish. WTF was that?!?! Him not going for it on the next drive when it was 4th and 13 became a moot point.
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The game was effectively over when the holding penalty negated the tying TD at the end of the 1st half.
With the miss of the FG attempt after that, you just knew they weren't going to recover. Their heads weren't in it. Landry made some good effort but I knew as soon as that FG missed it was over. I didn't expect them to win anyway so I wasn't too broken up about it. It was just interesting to see the exact moment the game was over.
As for the nuts and bolts of it. The Cheaters were keying so hard on the run, every time Bell got the ball, he was running into a brick wall. He had to either find a minute hole in the wall or try to sprint around the end. On the other hand ******* Blount was strolling through gaping holes and at one point Edleman blocked both a linebacker AND a DB at the same time to spring Blount for another 15 yards. It was ******* comical.
I kept hoping that somehow as Bell found ways to pick his way through that pile of humanity he would somehow break one and get a really impressive gain, but the cheaters always managed to get a hand on him by the 6 or 7 yard mark and pull him down. Still he was ridiculously impressive when you consider he was literally running into a wall of defenders all day.
Landry was fine as long as he didn't have to make reads. Whenever the cheaters headsets fired up and told them who to cover and Jone's primary receiver suddenly found himself surrounded by two defenders, Jones became nervous and terribly indecisive which lead to inaccurate throws. On a 3rd and 10 in the 3rd he had Brown coming across the middle and it would have converted, but Jones had already been flushed away from his primary read and he was in stage 2 of panic mode so he threw wide. Brown, being gimped up from a play they never happened to show us the replay on (btw), may have also been a step or two slower than usual.
Regardless, our chances of beating the cheaters with 1/4 the team in the hot tub or ice bath was pretty ******* slim. Beating them even with the entire group at home - ya. Unless the offense can memorize an entire game's worth of calls and run the entire offense silently, the cheaters will know every ******* offensive play they're calling before the rest of the offense does.
The defense - well, does it even MATTER if Brady knows what the defense is doing? Really? "psst, hey T*m, they're going to "try" to blitz you from the right side. So, I guess you can do whatever the **** you want as you'll pretty much have all ******' day..." "Psst, they're going to rush 4 and cover. Wanna see if Blount can rush for 110. Have him back up to the back of the end-zone, pitch it to him and then let him run it out... Ernie's money is on a TD."
With the miss of the FG attempt after that, you just knew they weren't going to recover. Their heads weren't in it. Landry made some good effort but I knew as soon as that FG missed it was over. I didn't expect them to win anyway so I wasn't too broken up about it. It was just interesting to see the exact moment the game was over.
As for the nuts and bolts of it. The Cheaters were keying so hard on the run, every time Bell got the ball, he was running into a brick wall. He had to either find a minute hole in the wall or try to sprint around the end. On the other hand ******* Blount was strolling through gaping holes and at one point Edleman blocked both a linebacker AND a DB at the same time to spring Blount for another 15 yards. It was ******* comical.
I kept hoping that somehow as Bell found ways to pick his way through that pile of humanity he would somehow break one and get a really impressive gain, but the cheaters always managed to get a hand on him by the 6 or 7 yard mark and pull him down. Still he was ridiculously impressive when you consider he was literally running into a wall of defenders all day.
Landry was fine as long as he didn't have to make reads. Whenever the cheaters headsets fired up and told them who to cover and Jone's primary receiver suddenly found himself surrounded by two defenders, Jones became nervous and terribly indecisive which lead to inaccurate throws. On a 3rd and 10 in the 3rd he had Brown coming across the middle and it would have converted, but Jones had already been flushed away from his primary read and he was in stage 2 of panic mode so he threw wide. Brown, being gimped up from a play they never happened to show us the replay on (btw), may have also been a step or two slower than usual.
Regardless, our chances of beating the cheaters with 1/4 the team in the hot tub or ice bath was pretty ******* slim. Beating them even with the entire group at home - ya. Unless the offense can memorize an entire game's worth of calls and run the entire offense silently, the cheaters will know every ******* offensive play they're calling before the rest of the offense does.
The defense - well, does it even MATTER if Brady knows what the defense is doing? Really? "psst, hey T*m, they're going to "try" to blitz you from the right side. So, I guess you can do whatever the **** you want as you'll pretty much have all ******' day..." "Psst, they're going to rush 4 and cover. Wanna see if Blount can rush for 110. Have him back up to the back of the end-zone, pitch it to him and then let him run it out... Ernie's money is on a TD."
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1. I disagree, it is being realistic. When you have as many injuries as we do and you give up 27 to a team that had put up 33 and 35 (or 37) the prior two games AND they cheat? How many prediction here that the *'s were going to put up more than 40? I do agree that the *'s were never in any danger of losing the game, but hell's bells, give some credit to a wounded D. It ain't like the *'s don't keep scoring on teams they have beaten. They don't slow down to turtle ball. I don't give a **** if they give up 1,000 ypg, it is the points that matter.
2. Easy to act like you are champions when you can cheat and get away with it.
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Blah, blah, cheater, cheater....
The rhetoric about the Patriots is old. Brady is 9-2 against us. 27-3 touchdown to interception ratio.
You guys can blame in on cheating all you want. I think they are consistently the better coached and better prepared team and that is why they win. If you keep imagining boogeymen reasons you lose to that organization and make excuses that aren't true, then you will continue to lose them every time you play them.
If the Steelers think like half this board that the Patriots are only good because of cheating, then we will never beat them when it matters. They've already won.
The REAL way to be the Patriots is to work harder during the week, coach better, prepare like your life depends on it, and act like a professional. But we're not prepared to do that. We make excuses why the Patriots win....
The rhetoric about the Patriots is old. Brady is 9-2 against us. 27-3 touchdown to interception ratio.
You guys can blame in on cheating all you want. I think they are consistently the better coached and better prepared team and that is why they win. If you keep imagining boogeymen reasons you lose to that organization and make excuses that aren't true, then you will continue to lose them every time you play them.
If the Steelers think like half this board that the Patriots are only good because of cheating, then we will never beat them when it matters. They've already won.
The REAL way to be the Patriots is to work harder during the week, coach better, prepare like your life depends on it, and act like a professional. But we're not prepared to do that. We make excuses why the Patriots win....
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Exactly.
Nevermind that that end of the field has been closed.
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Or that the Steelers have been a whopping 2 for 7 on fourth downs this year.
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I don't know why you think it is "making an excuse". I mean, there is ample evidence they have cheated. Ample evidence, that having been caught cheating they found different ways and were caught again. Unless you want to stick your head in the sand and accept that they've learned their lesson or conclude they got caught the only two times they tried. I don't.
Prepare all you want. VERY hard to execute on D when the offense knows your play call. You can still execute better on actual tackles.
Regardless of whether they cheat or not, our D was hindered by injuries and held them, relative to the rest of the teams they played, in check. I give them credit for that. Doesn't mean I think they played great, but they, certainly, did better than most here thought, including me.
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Don't you get what del was saying? The Patriots hate them if you will, are a well coached team and went on the road and beat a team they were supposed to beat and never ever was there any doubt in this game. They took care o business! Unlike the debacle in Miami where Cool Shades had his team ill prepared against a team they should have soundly beaten.
Who gives a damn that Brady didn't post prolific numbers and points. The game was never in doubt and the 27 he posted was far and away plenty of points to win this game against a Landry Jones lead offense. Do you honestly think had Ben played and lit up the scoreboard that Brady couldn't have matched Ben? We have a terrible ******* defense thanks Cool Shades and Colbert in their infinite draft wisdom with guys who are made of glass who cannot rush the passer, cannot stop the run, cannot cover the receiver. They are good at taking stupid penalties though. What really can this defense do right? I agree with all of del's post. He nailed it!
Not a fan of Cowherd. But he mentioned today that Tomlin is 19-22 vs. teams under .500.
That's bad.
That's bad.
But some of them were probably without Bell.
Roethlisberger’s totals on the road have him at 18 touchdown passes and 18 interceptions since the start of the 2014 season. At home it’s 51-13. Not that we’re counting.
Mike Tomlin takes a lot of heat for his team’s record against “bad” teams on the road – it’s not 5-11 vs. sub.-500 teams in the past 16 games – but it’s as much Roethlisberger not playing well on the road as anything.
http://www.observer-reporter.com/20161016/post-steelers_vs_dolphins_thoughts
Your best player not playing well is a factor
That is untrue. Half of his wins are against 500 and less teams. You can't get 100 wins and never have a losing season, by having a losing record against 500 teams. I call bullshit.
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I understand what he is saying although I quibble with how great a coach Bellicheck is because I cannot separate the cheating from the success. If you think it doesn't matter, I don't know how to help you.
As for this:
With Ben, I think we still lose. Is it closer and do we have a better chance? Why wouldn't I think that? MAYBE the *'s could have just kept scoring at will, but MAYBe they would have had the ball less often. Here is a better question, when have Bellicheck and Brady let up on opponents before when they have had a game in hand? Why would they, suddenly, do it, yesterday? A: They don't.
I do need to correct 1 thing. 2 teams have held them under 27 points. Forgot the Bills held them to 0.
Hang on, LJ is too bad that we cannot rely on him making the 4&2, but it is good enough to secure the 2 point conversion????? Please explain your logic (or lack of...)
Hang on, LJ is too bad that we cannot rely on him making the 4&2, but it is good enough to secure the 2 point conversion????? Please explain your logic (or lack of...)
Did you read the thread because I already stated I would of went for it. But I could also understand not going for it. It wasn't clear cut to me. I also explained why.
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I don't make excuses as far as that goes. That the cheaters cheat is well know and that's just what you have to contend with. But when they're on the road, you at least have a chance. At home, you pretty much have no ******* prayer against them. That's just the way it is.
Yesterday was frustrating because despite all the bullshit the P*ts do, the team still had an outside shot at stealing the game, but they didn't and now that they pissed away the game in Miami, they've completely gauranteed that the cheaters will get homefield which means if Pittsuburgh does get past the wildcard round, they'll more than likely have to travel to Foxborough where the locker rooms are bugged and an assistant will steal the scripted plays AFTER they film your walkthrough. They'll confirm your scripted plays by listening in on your radio frequency which they'll ******* jam on a 3rd and 9 at a critical point in the game.
Meanwhile, they'll magically have the perfect audible ready every time the Steelers have a special blitz or coverage package dialed up. They'll get that extra edge when the defensive end hits Ben 2 seconds after he releases the ball and the referees don't notice it. They'll somehow amazingly have Brown double-covered every time he's supposed to be the primary receiver and they'll somehow manage to trap Coates arm on those long routes while the referee has terrible position.
And if that's not bad enough we have Tomlin sitting there with his deer-in-the headlights look just itching to throw a challenge flag for no ******* reason at all.
I guarantee you, I mean I ******* promise you that Ernie Adams retires at the same ******* time as Hoody. Those two will disappear together and the cheaters will suddenly turn into a thoroughly mediocre team if that. And if Adams was hit by a bus tomorrow, the cheaters would be mediocre in 2 weeks.
Yesterday was frustrating because despite all the bullshit the P*ts do, the team still had an outside shot at stealing the game, but they didn't and now that they pissed away the game in Miami, they've completely gauranteed that the cheaters will get homefield which means if Pittsuburgh does get past the wildcard round, they'll more than likely have to travel to Foxborough where the locker rooms are bugged and an assistant will steal the scripted plays AFTER they film your walkthrough. They'll confirm your scripted plays by listening in on your radio frequency which they'll ******* jam on a 3rd and 9 at a critical point in the game.
Meanwhile, they'll magically have the perfect audible ready every time the Steelers have a special blitz or coverage package dialed up. They'll get that extra edge when the defensive end hits Ben 2 seconds after he releases the ball and the referees don't notice it. They'll somehow amazingly have Brown double-covered every time he's supposed to be the primary receiver and they'll somehow manage to trap Coates arm on those long routes while the referee has terrible position.
And if that's not bad enough we have Tomlin sitting there with his deer-in-the headlights look just itching to throw a challenge flag for no ******* reason at all.
I guarantee you, I mean I ******* promise you that Ernie Adams retires at the same ******* time as Hoody. Those two will disappear together and the cheaters will suddenly turn into a thoroughly mediocre team if that. And if Adams was hit by a bus tomorrow, the cheaters would be mediocre in 2 weeks.
The decision to try a 54-yard field goal was bad. As in, terrible, horrid, ridiculously, "hey let's try this gas station sushi" bad.
Look, down 27-16 and with the ball in good field position, 3rd and 2, you HAVE to be thinking, "This is four-down territory."
When a team is considering a 4th down, then run the ball on 3rd and 2. You might make the freaking first down. Even if you gain 1 yard, it's now 4th and 1.
Run the damn ball when the team is considering 4th down. But nope, incomplete pass on a broken play and a stupid field goal try.
Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.
Look, down 27-16 and with the ball in good field position, 3rd and 2, you HAVE to be thinking, "This is four-down territory."
When a team is considering a 4th down, then run the ball on 3rd and 2. You might make the freaking first down. Even if you gain 1 yard, it's now 4th and 1.
Run the damn ball when the team is considering 4th down. But nope, incomplete pass on a broken play and a stupid field goal try.
Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.