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Tomlin's look in the thrd period

ark steel said:
I understand what he is saying although I quibble with how great a coach Bellicheck is because I cannot separate the cheating from the success. If you think it doesn't matter, I don't know how to help you.

How did they cheat yesterday? In the past of course they did things that crossed the line but that was yesteryear and had nothing to do with yesterday's game. They are a better team and showed it yesterday.

As for this:



With Ben, I think we still lose. Is it closer and do we have a better chance? Why wouldn't I think that? MAYBE the *'s could have just kept scoring at will, but MAYBe they would have had the ball less often. Here is a better question, when have Bellicheck and Brady let up on opponents before when they have had a game in hand? Why would they, suddenly, do it, yesterday? A: They don't.

I do need to correct 1 thing. 2 teams have held them under 27 points. Forgot the Bills held them to 0.
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Bellicheck and Brady didn't have to put the pedal to the metal yesterday. At no point were they really in jeopardy in that football game and they knew it and played like it. That's a well coached team and a disciplined team whether we like it or not. Tomlin hasn't a clue and never will.He's an ok coach that happens to be employed by a great organization with a long history of retaining their coaches. Lucky man!
 
Well if the Steelers can work on their power play they may end up scoring more
goals with the man advantage .�� They've really got to cycle the football better and capitalize on scoring chances while their starting center Ben is out.
 
To get this straight. Cheating is now considered well coached.

A team that has never been known for throttling back (and praised here for not doing so), for some unexplainable reason, did so yesterday, because you think they did.

Beyond all evidence to the contrary. I guess, if it helps you keep the *''s on a pedastal of what you want the Steelers to be, go for it. The day the Steelers become cheaters is the day I quit watching them.
 
ark steel said:
To get this straight. Cheating is now considered well coached.

A team that has never been known for throttling back (and praised here for not doing so), for some unexplainable reason, did so yesterday, because you think they did.

Beyond all evidence to the contrary. I guess, if it helps you keep the *''s on a pedastal of what you want the Steelers to be, go for it. The day the Steelers become cheaters is the day I quit watching them.
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Where did I say cheating is considered well coached? What I did say was the cheating were incidents from the past. That yesterday's game didn't contain anything of that nature.
The fact is that Tomlin was out coached once again, we couldn't stop Brady, Gronk or Blount, and we tried to match TDs with kicking FGs.
 
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Not out coached notice second half how many times Jones had zero to throw to because Pats rushing three and everyone else in coverage. Jones forced quite a few passes, ran all around and had to drop underneath passes that went no place. Tomlin had no answer. Notice how many times Tomlin had the pouty look and Bill I cheat is looking at photos to make a smart decision.
 
antdrewjosh said:
He missed his first kick and made his next two that's bad??
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Given that the league-wide average of field goal success in 2015 was nearly 83%, yeah, two out of three IS bad.

And Boswell, who usually kicks them right down the middle, just barely made those two. For whatever reason, he just wasn't himself...and his head coach ignored that.
 
Guys, they didn't have to cheat to beat us.

Missed FGs, Dropped balls, presnap penalties. Penalties taking away TDs, Landry Jones at QB.

I'm starting to think we cheated to make this game close...
 
topseed said:
Given that the league-wide average of field goal success in 2015 was nearly 83%, yeah, two out of three IS bad.

And Boswell, who usually kicks them right down the middle, just barely made those two. For whatever reason, he just wasn't himself...and his head coach ignored that.
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Well I didn't know you had to be perfect on your kicks before you get a opportunity to another. And besides its not like Landry instills a ton of confidence. Who would you trust more Landry or Boz? I'm in record for saying I wanted to go for it at the time. But I can see it both ways.
 
black and gold apex said:
Not out coached notice second half how many times Jones had zero to throw to because Pats rushing three and everyone else in coverage. Jones forced quite a few passes, ran all around and had to drop underneath passes that went no place. Tomlin had no answer. Notice how many times Tomlin had the pouty look and Bill I cheat is looking at photos to make a smart decision.
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This makes no sense. It never makes sense
 
Jones looked lost in the 4th quarter. The moment caught him. It was clear to see. I'd have stuck the backup in.
 
Cope said:
That is untrue. Half of his wins are against 500 and less teams. You can't get 100 wins and never have a losing season, by having a losing record against 500 teams. I call bullshit.
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I will check the numbers. Could be 19-22 in the last 41 games or something.

And the question is were they under .500 when we played them or under .500 at the end of the year?
 
Okay... After some research, Colin Cowherd is WRONG. However, there is a very disturbing trend in the numbers as you will see.

Tomlin's record against losing teams AT THE TIME is 39-24 in his whole career.
Tomlin's record against losing teams BASEd ON HOW THE OPPONENTS FINISHED is 49-20.

That said, this struck me as outrageous:

From 2007-2011, Tomlin and the Steelers were 27-8 against teams with losing records at the time. By year:

2007: 5-4
2008: 5-0
2009: 3-4
2010: 6-0
2011: 8-0

But something has changed drastically in the building since 2011:

2012: 3-4
2013: 3-4
2014: 3-4
2015: 2-3
2016: 1-1

That is a combined record against losing teams over the last 5 seasons of 12-16.

For a "what have you done for me lately" type league, there is legitimate criticism of Tomlin's ability to get his teams prepared to play against supposedly inferior competition. And this completely goes along with the record as heavy favorites (7.5 points or more) of 7-4 over this 5-year stretch as well.

Take the numbers as what you will. Not saying they help Tomlin's position much considering the last 5 seasons, but Cowherd is wrong. No clue where 19-22 came from.
 
steelhurt said:
Where did I say cheating is considered well coached? What I did say was the cheating were incidents from the past. That yesterday's game didn't contain anything of that nature.
The fact is that Tomlin was out coached once again, we couldn't stop Brady, Gronk or Blount, and we tried to match TDs with kicking FGs.
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So, they learned their lesson and won't cheat again? Based upon what? The facts are, the did cheat, got caught and cheated again?!
 
ark steel said:
So, they learned their lesson and won't cheat again? Based upon what? The facts are, the did cheat, got caught and cheated again?!
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As is they only had one set of tapes. As if coaches aren't recycled and go from team to team running the same schemes everywhere they go.
 
Foster said, "If we would've played as halfway decent as we did yesterday in Miami, it probably would've been a different score. Yesterday we just didn't seize the opportunity when we were given the short field and making plays when we needed to. We just really self-inflicted yesterday. Our losses have all been self-inflicted."
Does Tomlin motivate the team well enough for losing teams?
I asked Foster that question while he was still answering another.
"The stuff -- yeah, right," he said with a shake of the head, before trying to resume.
"The stuff that we did -- " and he stopped again. "He don't get us ready enough?"
Yes. That's the question.
"Yeah, right. Look, it's high stakes when we're in our meetings. He emphasizes what we need to do. It's on us, the execution. He can't stop us from getting penalties or a PI on a play. That's on us. And those are just in-game plays that you have to correct. You hope you have enough time. When you're playing against the good teams, they don't allow you that time, so that's where we failed yesterday. First-and-20 is not easy to come back from. When getting a PI on a downfield play puts you on first-and-whatever, those are hard to come back from. So that doesn't fall on the staff. I think those are player-inflicted."

http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1720890-inside-the-locker-room
 
So Del we were 27-8 when Tomlin was still coaching with Cowher players who knew how to finish games and smoke chumps but then turn to 12-16 after the Cowher players have left the building?

Either Tomlin has grown complacent knowing he can just spew jibberish Coach speak knowing his job will never be in jeopardy, the Tombert drafted players lack that "it" factor (heart/drive/desire), or maybe parity and any given Sunday is catching up to us?

At any rate thanks for the breakdown of this disturbing trend. Seems like we need to hold some players and coaches accountable.
 
deljzc said:
Okay... After some research, Colin Cowherd is WRONG. However, there is a very disturbing trend in the numbers as you will see.

Tomlin's record against losing teams AT THE TIME is 39-24 in his whole career.
Tomlin's record against losing teams BASEd ON HOW THE OPPONENTS FINISHED is 49-20.

That said, this struck me as outrageous:

From 2007-2011, Tomlin and the Steelers were 27-8 against teams with losing records at the time. By year:

2007: 5-4
2008: 5-0
2009: 3-4
2010: 6-0
2011: 8-0

But something has changed drastically in the building since 2011:

2012: 3-4
2013: 3-4
2014: 3-4
2015: 2-3
2016: 1-1

That is a combined record against losing teams over the last 5 seasons of 12-16.

For a "what have you done for me lately" type league, there is legitimate criticism of Tomlin's ability to get his teams prepared to play against supposedly inferior competition. And this completely goes along with the record as heavy favorites (7.5 points or more) of 7-4 over this 5-year stretch as well.

Take the numbers as what you will. Not saying they help Tomlin's position much considering the last 5 seasons, but Cowherd is wrong. No clue where 19-22 came from.
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Two things.

1 ) As some of us know, Tomlin inherited a super bowl team with many Cowher veterans in their prime. But then they retired or got old, the results are telling.

2 ) Losing this often to bad teams over the course of five years when 90% of the fan base and all the gamblers have us as favorites suggests poor strategy, coaching, and leadership. If we had only lost one less game vs a doormat team per year, we make the playoffs in the back to back 8-8 years, and likely get more homes playoff games.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
So Del we were 27-8 when Tomlin was still coaching with Cowher players who knew how to finish games and smoke chumps but then turn to 12-16 after the Cowher players have left the building?

Either Tomlin has grown complacent knowing he can just spew jibberish Coach speak knowing his job will never be in jeopardy, the Tombert drafted players lack that "it" factor (heart/drive/desire), or maybe parity and any given Sunday is catching up to us?

At any rate thanks for the breakdown of this disturbing trend. Seems like we need to hold some players and coaches accountable.
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Those cowher players that new how to finish games and went 8-8 the year before, right?
 
2010 was the last gasp of a once proud defense. It's been downhill after that.
 
ark steel said:
Those cowher players that new how to finish games and went 8-8 the year before, right?
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Please don't mention that it's irrelevant.
 
Those on the just give it to Bell on the 4th and 2 play here's a little something to think about

The Patriots have been doing a lot of “five bigs” pre-snap. They would show five potential rushers and then drop two into coverage. With a lead and the chance to play it conservatively, the Pats were keeping all things Lev Bell in front of them and not giving him any room. When Lev would go into motion, at least three guys on defense would point and bark it out. It’s obvious that today the Patriots had made Bell public enemy No. 1.


http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1720880-craig-wolfley-s-view-from-the-sideline
 
antdrewjosh said:
Please don't mention that it's irrelevant.
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Wasn't that the year Ben took a header into a car windshield and suffered major damage? And just when he got back to camp he required an emergency appendectomy which caused him to miss the first game of the season. When Ben did play, he was awful. Understandable.

The start was a disaster but in the last 5 games, the Steelers were 4-1. This and the super bowl victory let down, best explain the 8-8 record.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Those on the just give it to Bell on the 4th and 2 play here's a little something to think about

The Patriots have been doing a lot of “five bigs” pre-snap. They would show five potential rushers and then drop two into coverage. With a lead and the chance to play it conservatively, the Pats were keeping all things Lev Bell in front of them and not giving him any room. When Lev would go into motion, at least three guys on defense would point and bark it out. It’s obvious that today the Patriots had made Bell public enemy No. 1.


http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/story/1720880-craig-wolfley-s-view-from-the-sideline
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So what. Bell would get 2 yards as a rusher or recevier more often than not.
 
Coach said:
Wasn't that the year Ben took a header into a car windshield and suffered major damage? And just when he got back to camp he required an emergency appendectomy which caused him to miss the first game of the season. When Ben did play, he was awful. Understandable.

The start was a disaster but in the last 5 games, the Steelers were 4-1. This and the lowB repuS victory let down, best explain the 8-8 record.
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why are you making excuses? Weren't all the other Cowher players superstars that should have been able to overcome that?
 
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