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bmoritz said:
Two 4th down plays in over time? You're DAMN RIGHT the head coach better be involved in the call. If he's not, that proves he's incompetent. Let me ask you, what do YOU hold him accountable for on game day?
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Listen slowly I'm not saying he didn't know the calls. He did. What I am saying is what percentage of coaches in the NFL once they have decided to go for it decide the play themselves? Or do they discuss it as a group? Does the OC call they play like he has been all game. How many times does the OC call the play and The head coach says I don't like it, run this. That's what I'm asking.

Obviously the head coach hears every call defensively and offensively. I know that Tomlin signed off on the calls Thursday nite..I'm on record for saying I would of did different on each call. I'm not up in arms about the design QB run because I wanted a design QB run. I would of just ran it differently. A fake handoff one way boot Vick the other way. The 4th and 1 I would of ran Bell. But again the play call worked Brown was open the pass sucked so thats the coaches fault?? Punting I honestly never gave thought to it so I can't find fault with them in hindsight. I wanted to go for it end the damn game.
 
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For instance I feel the pass call in the super bowl was stupid not cause of the play but it's because the Patriots were mentally ******. They offered no resistance to the previous run play. They were in shock from the Kearse catch. Like not again another miraculous catch. The Seahawks could of just ran it in because mentally the Patriots were done..
 
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Why would he need to call a timeout if he called the play himself.
 
Your meds bruh, did you take them today? You have to take them everyday. Can't skip.

Oh yeah how do you know his *** is hairy??? Never mind I don't want to know
 
ARussell said:
I guess Tomlin is too stupid to hear the call, immediately realize he doesn't like the call and take a TIMEOUT. That is above Tomlin's pay grade evidently. Making in game decisions is a huge Tomlin fault. It was just mot another play in the game it was THE play, instead of looking stupid with the deer in the headlights look he sported all game, hence why he wears shades whenever possible, he could have actually COACHED and overruled a play destined to fail, can you actually fault the man whose hairy *** you kiss all the time, just once ?

To put the game on a mediocre inaccurate passer with awful mechanics a play where he has to make a quick accurate throw is lunacy, how did the play turnout ?
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This is just a silly comment little boy.
 
My point, Antdrewjosh, is that this kind of crap happens time and time again. Tomlin doesn't know what he's doing during games, you can tell by his body of work. Who made the decision to not go for 2 when they went up 19-7? Who made the decision right before halftime to waste 25 seconds before taking a timeout then kicking (you could've had 1 or 2 shots at the endzone)? Who made the decision to NOT cut Scobee after week two, when he had already missed two rather easy FGs and an extra point? Who has a proven record of not knowing how to utilize the clock or timeouts? Who, even after changing defensive coordinators, still insists on the constant 8-10 yard cushions by our DBs? NONE of these things are the fault of Todd Haley, they are SOLELY the fault of Mike Tomlin. And yes, I hold any head coach responsible when twice in overtime on 4th and short, the best RB in the NFL is not utilized. Just like you said about the Seahawks in the Super Bowl, that was 100% on Pete Carroll. Why is Tomlin different?

Again, I'll ask, what do you hold him responsible for during games?
 
antdrewjosh said:
Your meds bruh, did you take them today? You have to take them everyday. Can't skip.

Oh yeah how do you know his *** is hairy??? Never mind I don't want to know
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ARussell is to football knowledge as Elfiero is to......, well, any knowledge.
 
When did not going for 2 come into question?? Maybe with Ben you call timeout with Vick I don't see fault with taking your 3. So now we are cutting Scobee after week Two? I'm going to stop here because basically your just spewing all the things you don't agree with and using them as examples of being wrong when that is very subjective.


As for your question I already said I didn't like either call. But to me those calls didn't lose the game. Scobee missed field goals played a bigger role to me. His missed FGs led to the decisions made later in the game.

Here's question for you since you believe those calls were the reason we lost, that those calls solely lost the game. If either was successful would you be saying Tomlin calls won the game or Haley??
 
Not going for 2 when up 19-7 is,was, and always will be incredibly stupid. And not trying a play or two at the end zone, when you had plenty of time and a timeout to do so, BEFORE settling for three is also incredibly stupid. It's called playing scared, and you rarely win that way. It's only subjective if you don't understand the game. And yes, Scobee should've been cut after week 2. To be fair, I don't blame Tomlin or Colbert for trading a 6th for Scobee. They thought outside the box, it didn't work, that happens. But it was pretty clear after game 2 he had no business being our kicker, and sticking with him cost us a crucial home divisional game. I'm not "spewing" anything, I'm point out glaring coaching failures.

And no, respectfully, you haven't answered my question, you keep dodging it. What do you hold Tomlin accountable for during games?

As far as your question, if the calls were successful, I'd be happy, but still think they were stupid calls and we were lucky they worked out.

And for the record, I also blame Haley, who I think has been exposed. It's pretty clear than when Ben plays, it's BEN calling the plays that have been successful. The three main culprits for this loss are Tomlin, Haley, and Scobee. (When did I ever say Tomlin's calls were solely the reason they lost the game? Please don't put words in my mouth) One is gone, and if things don't change, the other two should be at the end of the season as well.
 
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So when did exactly going for two enter your mind at that moment when we scored or the next day when you realized if we had been successful we would of won. Because I don't remember anyone saying anything about going for two at that juncture.

But we would have won if Scobee does his job. We are not talking about it. I understand the game very well. What you don't understand is what you are talking about is your opinion. It isn't fact. So after Game two I didn't see any articles or any threads about cutting Scobee after Game two. Did you make one? I missed it.. So no one here or anywhere else even thought of it but it SHOULD have been done after game two. Ok. So who cost us the game Scobee or Tomlin. Cause you just said Scobee.

So if the calls worked.You would still say they were stupid? Why because they didn't do what you wanted??

My main culprits are Scobee A Brown Vick

Lastly Tomlin is accountable to get his team ready to play a football game. That starts during the week. He and his staff put a game plan together. They practice it all week.. on Sunday the players play. Tomlin make crucial decision at certain points in the game. Go for it, punt, go for two etc. On Thursday nite I didn't disagree with any of those decisions. In real time in each instance I said **** Scobee try to win this game right now on this play. On either call I didn't say punt I said go for it..while on each play I already said I would of ran a different play. I will not in hindsight go back now and say I don't agree with the decisions made because they didn't work.
 
I was saying it as soon as they scored to go up 19-7, why wouldn't you want to go up 2 full touchdowns? I didn't need a day to think about it to figure that one out. I don't really care what anybody you were around was saying at the time, there were a LOT of folks saying it where I was. It's common sense.

So, something is only true if the media writes about it? Is that really what you're going for? In the first two weeks of the season (as I've already stated), Scobee missed two makeable field goals and an extra point. The ones he did make were shaky at best. It was clear he wasn't getting it done.

You're correct, it is my opinion, just as what you're writing is your opinion. Yours is not more valid than mine, nor vice versa. I clearly said I blame Scobee, as well as Tomlin and Haley. I agree, if Scobee would've made the kicks, we probably win (we never know the unknown variables of course). It's also true that if Tomlin and Haley did a better job coaching, we probably would've win. Is that not fair to say? The thing is, the reasons myself and many others are critical of Tomlin are NOT new. They have been issues with him (clock management, poor use of timeouts, poor in game adjustments) for years, and they are things that are SOLELY the discretion of the head coach. Would you not agree those three things are the duty of the head coach?

They reason I think the play calls are stupid is because you have the best running back in football, who was in a rhythm and was wearing the defense down. To not use him is stupid. Instead, you put the game in the hands of your backup QB who had 3 days to prepare. Again, that is stupid. I can't really see where that's debatable. If it would've worked, great. But it didn't, and there was clearly a better option to go with. I honestly think Tomlin and Haley tend to try to "outsmart" everybody a lot, instead of just sticking with what works.

And you admit, you didn't agree with any of Tomlin's decisions you listed on Thursday night, but don't include him in the reasons we lost. Why, when you admit he made bad decisions, does he get a pass?
 
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antdrewjosh said:
So when did exactly going for two enter your mind at that moment when we scored or the next day when you realized if we had been successful we would of won. Because I don't remember anyone saying anything about going for two at that juncture.

But we would have won if Scobee does his job. We are not talking about it. I understand the game very well. What you don't understand is what you are talking about is your opinion. It isn't fact. So after Game two I didn't see any articles or any threads about cutting Scobee after Game two. Did you make one? I missed it.. So no one here or anywhere else even thought of it but it SHOULD have been done after game two. Ok. So who cost us the game Scobee or Tomlin. Cause you just said Scobee.

So if the calls worked.You would still say they were stupid? Why because they didn't do what you wanted??

My main culprits are Scobee A Brown Vick

Lastly Tomlin is accountable to get his team ready to play a football game. That starts during the week. He and his staff put a game plan together. They practice it all week.. on Sunday the players play. Tomlin make crucial decision at certain points in the game. Go for it, punt, go for two etc. On Thursday nite I didn't disagree with any of those decisions. In real time in each instance I said **** Scobee try to win this game right now on this play. On either call I didn't say punt I said go for it..while on each play I already said I would of ran a different play. I will not in hindsight go back now and say I don't agree with the decisions made because they didn't work.
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I agree. At the time all I was yelling at the TV was, "come on boys, just get this first down and keep Scooby-Doo on the bench". I didn't want to chance it to his right leg like most watching Thursday. Hindsight being what it is I can be "arm chairing" this thing with the results remaining what they are for weeks. However, it's now time to see what a long week of practice can muster up for the Bolts on Monday.
 
THe guy that is coaching the FAlcons now, or Kyle Shanahan would be a much better head coach than Tomlin.
 
I was home with my son and chiming in on the game thread here. So when I say no-one I mean no-one in the game thread mentioned it. So if it was common sense no one in the thread was using any. The Media? What I'm saying is it wasn't even being discussed. Meaning there was no discussion or reports that the Steelers were even thinking along those lines. I mean if there were those type of discussions taking place there would be some reports about it. You don't just give up on a kicker you traded for without it being talked about or reported somewhere. Not these days. And with you saying it should of definitely been done. It was a mistake not too after week TWO. Where is the talk about it??

I agree those are the job of the head coach and as I sit here I can't think of one time any of those decisions solely cost the Steelers a game.. if you can please name the game.

I also said I would of given the ball to Bell. Said this then saying it now. That being said yes Bell was accumulating yds but it's not like he was getting them easily. Mostly every yard was gained with a whodini act. Bell was gaining most of them yds himself. Now guess who also thought Bell would get the ball the Ravens. Who stacked the box and in those instances its no guarantee that Bell super human efforts would still net a first down. Because truth be told they did give the ball to Bell and he was tackled by one person Will Hill who made a great play.. So while yes I wanted Bell to get the ball I understand why they didn't..The oline wasn't blowing anyone off the ball and Bell was getting yards by himself. On 4th and 1 when the box is stacked its no guarantee. But yes I was willing to take that chance but they weren't.. 2+2 is four but so is 3+1 and I'm not going to find fault in them going another way. Especially when Brown was open and the pass wasn't that hard to make. Vick has to make that throw. Just like Brown has to make that TD catch and Scobee should make those kicks.. those are facts and not opinions
 
xjx said:
THe guy that is coaching the FAlcons now, or Kyle Shanahan would be a much better head coach than Tomlin.
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You're ******* high. Kyle ******* Shannahan? Get bent dude. If Tomlin won 4 straight Super Bowls you'd still be whinning about something.
 
Lotta factors, any one of which if fixed could have won us the game.
In order of priority as I see it. Just my opinion.
1. Ben is out.
2. #2 QB playing on two days of practice with first-team offense.
3. Scobee missing two FG's. After that, if I'm Tomlin I don't go for the 51 yarder either.
4. Defense unable to stop the run.
5. Playcalling, as always.
6. AB missing a TD pass in the end zone.
It wasn't any one thing.
$0.02.
 
antdrewjosh said:
I also said I would of given the ball to Bell. Said this then saying it now. That being said yes Bell was accumulating yds but it's not like he was getting them easily. Mostly every yard was gained with a whodini act. Bell was gaining most of them yds himself.
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"whodini."

lol
 
Seems like every year we bark about the same things with this Tomlin-lead team. I recall reading an article a few years back where the writer echoed many of things we're squabbling about today. After a quick search, I found it. It's dated 2012 if anyone's interested in reading his take (keeping in mind, it talks about a few players we no longer have but the narrative is pretty much the same):


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ke-tomlin-and-steelers-staff-are-losing-games
 
C'mon on bruh seriously that article had nothing substantial in it.
 
antdrewjosh said:
C'mon on bruh seriously that article had nothing substantial in it.
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Just the theme of the article is the same as what we're talking about in this thread. Tomlin's poor decision making, etc etc
 
You can see an article like that for every coach in the NFL past and present.
 
Every? I don't agree with that. Tomlin is a creature of habit....bad habit (eg - "gut feeling call").
 
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