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It's example..an example of one of the best in the league. Being criticized. Rhetoric by who?? Who of substance? Fans? Fans criticize everything. The second after a play doesn't work. "Well that was a dumb play." If every play that didn't work was a dumb play the coaches and players wouldn't have film session on Monday and get graded. The coach would just say don't worry about it guys that was a dumb play.
 
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antdrewjosh said:
It's example..an example of one of the best in the league. Being criticized. Rhetoric by who?? Who of substance? Fans? Fans criticize everything. The second after a play doesn't work. "Well that was a dumb play." If every play that didn't work was a dumb play the coaches and players wouldn't have film session on Monday. The coach would just say don't worry about it guys that was dumb play.
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The fact is, it's constant. All the way down to his poor clock management and misuse of TOs. You'd think that he'd get a handle on that during the off-season after all these years.....not!

Listen, I root for him to succeed and put this team in a position to win week in and week out. This past game was inexcusable.
 
bmoritz said:
My point, Antdrewjosh, is that this kind of crap happens time and time again. Tomlin doesn't know what he's doing during games, you can tell by his body of work. Who made the decision to not go for 2 when they went up 19-7? Who made the decision right before halftime to waste 25 seconds before taking a timeout then kicking (you could've had 1 or 2 shots at the endzone)? Who made the decision to NOT cut Scobee after week two, when he had already missed two rather easy FGs and an extra point? Who has a proven record of not knowing how to utilize the clock or timeouts? Who, even after changing defensive coordinators, still insists on the constant 8-10 yard cushions by our DBs? NONE of these things are the fault of Todd Haley, they are SOLELY the fault of Mike Tomlin. And yes, I hold any head coach responsible when twice in overtime on 4th and short, the best RB in the NFL is not utilized. Just like you said about the Seahawks in the Super Bowl, that was 100% on Pete Carroll. Why is Tomlin different?

Again, I'll ask, what do you hold him responsible for during games?
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Who the **** cuts a kicker after week 1 ? Has that ever happened in recent history ?
 
How do you do it?? Lmao
 
xjx said:
THe guy that is coaching the FAlcons now, or Kyle Shanahan would be a much better head coach than Tomlin.
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Wtf? Maaaan, there's a reason they don't take advice from fans .....y'all haven't the slightest clue. I recall in THIS forum that someone, probably even you, suggesting we go after Greg Schiano, Jim Harbaugh. Kyle Shanahan ? You're the first in the nation to suggest he be considered for a HC job........what exactly have you researched about Kyle and why he would make a great HC?
 
Oh oh. Ease up man. If you like your head coach you can keep your head coach. There! Feel better?
 
Okay, I get it. There are some here that NO MATTER WHAT, after 9 years of the same crap, will not hold Tomlin accountable for anything. It's always somebody else's fault. That's fine, that's their right. Evidently they think he will somehow "get it" after nine years. I hope, for the team's sake, they're right.
 
bmoritz said:
Okay, I get it. There are some here that NO MATTER WHAT, after 9 years of the same crap, will not hold Tomlin accountable for anything. It's always somebody else's fault. That's fine, that's their right. Evidently they think he will somehow "get it" after nine years. I hope, for the team's sake, they're right.
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And then there are some people after nine years that won't see anything good no matter what. They see people defending Tomlin in a certain way and immediately assume that they are arguing it's not his fault. Tomlin gets blamed for EVERYTHING that is bad, whether it's signing a player, a players contract, a player dropping a pass or missing a kick, it's all Tomlin's fault.

For example, the playcall on fourth down to throw to Brown, everyone is calling it a bad call, should have run Bell, blah blah blah Tomlin sucks! Watch the play again, Brown is open, Vick never gets his feet planted, and the ball is off target. I think if Brown was on the other side of the field, Vick hits him 10 out 10 times, but Vick is left handed and needed to spin around to the other side, never sets his feet, and rushes the throw...but I guess a player making a rushed throw is the coaches fault right?

No coach is perfect, and when Cowher was here, there were PLENTY of complaints and fire Cowher threads, it's selective memory around here...
 
For its me like this. I'm a players play kind of guy. When my son's played Pop Warner I wasn't in the crowd screaming at the coaching staff. I was at practice all week. I saw that the kids were taught well. I eventually became the WRs coach. My wife did like to scream from the stands even with me on the sidelines and I had to talk to her about it. Don't do that we are here every day those kids are well prepared.

If you switched Harbaugh with Tomlin I would still be saying the same thing. Harbaugh went for it twice too. And his kicker was banging kicks all nite. What was his excuse for going for it.

In Super Bowl 30 I wasn't mad at Cowher I shed a couple of tears when his daughter came up to him after the game. But replace Tomlin with Cowher for that game. I truly believe there would be some saying the Steelers were unprepared because of the slow start. That O'Donnell interceptions were somehow Tomlin's fault. I wasnt on the board back then so I don't know if that stuff happened here or not but I never blamed Cowher.. and this is not a Cowher vs Tomlin post. I'm just saying how I roll I don't blame coaches for everything. Doesn't matter who it is..
 
Insaniti, fair enough, though I have blamed players when they play poorly. I blame Scobee just as much as Tomlin/Haley for this loss. I also give Tomlin credit when he does things right. For example last week, when he lost two challenges. He was absolutely right to challenge those, even though we didn't get it. I also thought he did a good job of trying to get the team in a better state of mind when they were all down due to the Ben injury. He did a great job then.

Antdrewjosh, I thought John Harbaugh also did some incredibly stupid things that almost (should have) cost his team the win. I'm not saying Tomlin is the worst coach in the league. I'm saying he's not good enough for what the Steelers should demand. We're not the Browns, we should expect better. I DO think Tomlin is far and away the most overrated coach. I know you don't blame coaches for everything, neither do I. The problem I have is you blame Tomlin for NOTHING!! You make excuses and blame everybody else for EVERYTHING that goes wrong. Surely the blame is spread pretty far, but he is the man in charge, and he needs to be held accountable.
 
Because after super bowls the man has already proven to me he can coach. He isn't perfect no one is. I don't agree with every play call. What I don't do is call him a idiot stupid or moron because I don't agree with him or a play call. Just like Cowher had already proven to me he could coach after three AFC championships. So therefore 98-00 I never called for his head. Just like I told all my Giants friends they would be stupid to get rid of Coughlin. He has proven he can coach.
 
insaniti said:
And then there are some people after nine years that won't see anything good no matter what. They see people defending Tomlin in a certain way and immediately assume that they are arguing it's not his fault. Tomlin gets blamed for EVERYTHING that is bad, whether it's signing a player, a players contract, a player dropping a pass or missing a kick, it's all Tomlin's fault.

For example, the playcall on fourth down to throw to Brown, everyone is calling it a bad call, should have run Bell, blah blah blah Tomlin sucks! Watch the play again, Brown is open, Vick never gets his feet planted, and the ball is off target. I think if Brown was on the other side of the field, Vick hits him 10 out 10 times, but Vick is left handed and needed to spin around to the other side, never sets his feet, and rushes the throw...but I guess a player making a rushed throw is the coaches fault right?

No coach is perfect, and when Cowher was here, there were PLENTY of complaints and fire Cowher threads, it's selective memory around here...
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Very true. In fact I seem to remember almost the same situation against I believe against the Jags in a playoff game where we ran almost the same play with the same results. Think we had Bettis then also.
 
Sometimes I wonder if people here think Cowher is the only other coach in the world. Like if someone says "I'm tired of Tomlin's crap", why is the response immediately "well Cowher wasn't any better!"
 
antdrewjosh said:
Because after super bowls the man has already proven to me he can coach. He isn't perfect no one is. I don't agree with every play call. What I don't do is call him a idiot stupid or moron because I don't agree with him or a play call. Just like Cowher had already proven to me he could coach after three AFC championships. So therefore 98-00 I never called for his head. Just like I told all my Giants friends they would be stupid to get rid of Coughlin. He has proven he can coach.
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Does winning a Super Bowl give you a lifetime guaranteed job? At some point, that no longer can factor into the equation. Tomlin certainly deserves credit for winning the Super Bowl, I won't argue that. I know people say it was Cowher's players, but he still put the team in a position to win, so kudos to him. But that was what, 7 years ago? Baltimore fired Brian Billick a few years after a Super Bowl, and won another one afterward. I'm not saying fire him now, that would be completely giving up on a season before it really has a chance. But he should be on thin ice this season.
 
bmoritz said:
Does winning a Super Bowl give you a lifetime guaranteed job? At some point, that no longer can factor into the equation. Tomlin certainly deserves credit for winning the Super Bowl, I won't argue that. I know people say it was Cowher's players, but he still put the team in a position to win, so kudos to him. But that was what, 7 years ago? Baltimore fired Brian Billick a few years after a Super Bowl, and won another one afterward. I'm not saying fire him now, that would be completely giving up on a season before it really has a chance. But he should be on thin ice this season.
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Even Chuck Noll needed to move along after a time.
 
AggieSteel said:
Sometimes I wonder if people here think Cowher is the only other coach in the world. Like if someone says "I'm tired of Tomlin's crap", why is the response immediately "well Cowher wasn't any better!"
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Do you feel that way when someone says let's bring Cowher back?
 
bmoritz said:
Does winning a Super Bowl give you a lifetime guaranteed job? At some point, that no longer can factor into the equation. Tomlin certainly deserves credit for winning the Super Bowl, I won't argue that. I know people say it was Cowher's players, but he still put the team in a position to win, so kudos to him. But that was what, 7 years ago? Baltimore fired Brian Billick a few years after a Super Bowl, and won another one afterward. I'm not saying fire him now, that would be completely giving up on a season before it really has a chance. But he should be on thin ice this season.
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To me that's Cleveland Browns way of thinking..What have you done for me lately. Win now.Win now. All you are doing is creating an environment where the players dont respect the coaches and his staff because they know it's nothing stable in place. Here the players have no choice but to respect the coach cause they know he isn't going anywhere.
 
So how long does a Super Bowl win give? It's an honest questions. And regarding respect, why is it that players who have left, namely Hines and Troy, have stated there have been issues with Tomlin?

Stability, if it's not working, isn't worth anything is it? I just said I'm not calling for him to be fired during the season, I think that would be stupid. But if we have a poor year, it's time to make a change.
 
bmoritz said:
So how long does a Super Bowl win give? It's an honest questions. And regarding respect, why is it that players who have left, namely Hines and Troy, have stated there have been issues with Tomlin?

Stability, if it's not working, isn't worth anything is it? I just said I'm not calling for him to be fired during the season, I think that would be stupid. But if we have a poor year, it's time to make a change.
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I haven't heard anything substantial from either Troy nor Hines about issues with Tomlin. If anything Tomlin and the FO held on to those players as long as they could. Tomlin even made sure that Hines got his 1000 catch. Sometimes vets that THINK they can still play can be bitter when they are let go. If there truly was an issue with Tomlin, I don't think Harrison would have come back, or resigned this past offseason.
 
bmoritz said:
So how long does a Super Bowl win give? It's an honest questions. And regarding respect, why is it that players who have left, namely Hines and Troy, have stated there have been issues with Tomlin?
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If Hines and Troy, truly, had real issues with Tomlin why didn't they leave? I have the same issues with folks who complain about drafting players that didn't fit DL's scheme. Yet DL stayed for, what, 8 years, under a ****** head coach who drafted players he couldn't use.

When a coach has been to two Super Bowls and has to rebuild a team, there should be some leeway given. Several losing seasons in a row would show that the new way isn't working. Most teams, when rebuilding have, at least, one losing season. For all of the talk about the incredible lack of talent evaluation by Tomlin, all that ****** talent has yet to turn in even one losing season. Of course, people here think a statement like that is the same declaring that an 8-8 season is a great result and that Tomlin is SuperCoach. Of course, it is not the same.

I think Tomlin is an above average coach who has some flaws. Some of those flaws has cost games, just as Cowher's, Harbaugh's, etc. have done. I don't buy the "he won with Cowher's players" because someone still has to coach the team and you, rightly, give him credit for doing so.

Look at Rex Ryan's tenure at the Jets. Prior to Ryan, the Jets had bounced between winning seasons and losing seasons. Ryan takes over and the Jets make it to the AFC Championship game the first two years with Mark Sanchez at QB...Sounds like he turned the team around. Next 4 years are 8-8, 6-10, 8-8 and 4-12. I guess, if you think a couple of 8-8 seasons without making the playoffs is just as good as a 6-10 or 4-12 season, these are similar results to the Steelers.
 
Stainless said:
I'm looking forward to seeing his new name. I'm hoping he goes retro and chooses Par5, or maybe even something earlier.
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He may already be back not sure yet. It's funny when he tries to stay low key then just goes right back to his usual craziness.
 
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