Where are all these brilliant minority candidates the NFL is not hiring ? Guys like Tomlin are a dime a dozen and would be just as successful with loaded rosters , a HOF QB their entire tenures and a great organization backing him up.More would win more than 3 playoff games in 10 years.
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Which one of the "more qualified" coaches actually proved to be a better coach than Tomlin? The one he beat head to head in the Super Bowl, who has been run out of two head coaching jobs after posting a robust 48-71 record after 8 years as a head coach? The one who never even landed a Coordinator's job? Possibly the one with a lower winning percentage and who has six more losing seasons than Tomlin has in five fewer years as a head coach? More qualified ....(snort) .... indeed.
Russ Grimm? Is that you? Still bitter after all these years eh?
And by the way ... If you take a HC job in the NFL, you are taking the hand you're dealt. If you're lucky, you get a loaded roster. If you're a decent coach, you take that team to a Super Bowl or two. If you decide to take over a team with less talent ... Guess what. Nobody's going to cry for you. You literally chose that situation. And you did so knowing your team was less talented. You did so because there were probably 10 other guys who would give their left nut to be in the position you are in. Hell, we get enough whining on here about non-losing seasons during an era when the Cheats were cheating their way to as many AFC Championships and SBs as possible. That's luck too. Tomlin's luck to be the HC of the Steelers with a HOF QB during the years the league was touting Marsha and Belicheat as their poster boys and allowing them to break damn near every rule in the book to amass as many SBs as possible. Haven't heard Tomlin complain much (if any) about that. Why? Because he CHOSE to accept the position as HC of the Steelers during that time.
Yeah i'm sure Tomlin could have gone to a bad cardinals team and taken them to a Super Bowl. Something he hasn't done in 10 years with a loaded roster. Tomlin is Marvin Lewis lite with a great team and HF QB.
Straw man argument. Tomlin didn't HAVE to go to a bad Cardinals team. He was asked to and came to the Steelers. Whiz was not chosen. Get over it.
Btw, I've had intense discussions with some of the most intense posters on this site. In the short time you've been posting here, you've shown that you are not one of them. Quit trying so hard. It makes you seem petulant and small.
To borrow a quote from one of my favorite "fun" movies: "You have been measured. You have been weighed. And you have been found ... wanting."
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Yeah, Coaches who have never had a losing season in 13 years and have a win record to start a career second only to Don Shula, are a dime a dozen...
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Bruce is a better coach, hands down. In fact he's was the OC the last time we won the super bowl. Tomlin fired him, replaced Arians with Todd F'n Haley.
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It's a shame there has to be a rule to GAURANTEE a Minority a job interview. It shows two sides of the coin with one being a chance for more exposure to minorities and the other a possible humiliation of said minority. UNLESS there is a mandatory hire rule the owners ultimately will hire who they want, regardless of race.
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The American population is 12.1% black. The NFL head coach is 12.5% black. I think that proves the owners are typically hiring the best person for the job.
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The Tomlin argument gets stale. How fast would he be snatched up if he was fired by the Steelers? He is still one of the best coaches in the league and it may be a fun jab and considered a mediocre season, but it still holds weight he hasn't had a losing season. He hasn't won a SB in 10 years, but neither has Ben. Ben has had the same loaded team as Tomlin, but has had the same distractions, too. A SB is not guaranteed and either is a winning season. There are other teams in a longer SB drought. Dallas and SF come to mind.
Ben did a lot to provide a SB in those years. It took Tomlin to virtually have every player be a first round talent to field a very good defense.
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We can't be sure. Most owners what a coach who can transform their team on offense or defense. Tomlin offers neither. He hasn't shined picking DB's, and his 4-3 cover 2 is hardly run by his own team. On offense he knows very little. He is not talking to the QB ,or calling plays. I see very little sideline coaching from him and his playoff record laters is 3-6 in his last nine games. His value is?
I don't think he'd have 1st or 2nd choice to go to an NFL team, but a really bad team like the Jets just might hire him. If the the Rooney rule is extended to offer a team a 3rd round pick to hire an African American head coach ( Which should never happen ) then his chances of being hired somewhere else go up.
It is my opinion that Rooney himself is under extra pressure to keep Tomlin as the rule was named after him.
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This is my assessment and hope for Tomlin. Early on he was handed a stacked team just a year removed from the super bowl and was able to maintain enough to get us back to the dance and won one and lost another. But as Cowhers team got old the team regressed and the young coach had to try to develop his own team. He had some successes (Lev Bell/Marcus Gilbert) but more misses (Golson, Archer, Adams, Jones) but as of recent that trend has turned around. IMO he had his best year coaching and if he can conquer game time adjustments and clock management he might just turn that corner from slightly above average to great.
My assessment is Tomlin was not ready to be a head coach when hired. He as a DB and DB coach had the worst pass defense in the nfl in his one year as vikings D-coordinator. The Rooney’s (who went from great owners, Chief, to the leagues jackasses, Art the deuce) hired based on skin color not ability and track record. At age 35 Tomlin wasn’t ready. But he is now 48 and I feel if his natural progression would have been allowed to take place he’d be ready to take the helm of a team and turn them around. Again, remember most nfl head coaches take over bad nfl teams. Tomlin got the keys to a HOF QB and a great team. I hope that he takes that next step and he ends up being a HOF coach.
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My assessment is Tomlin was not ready to be a head coach when hired. He as a DB and DB coach had the worst pass defense in the nfl in his one year as vikings D-coordinator. The Rooney’s (who went from great owners, Chief, to the leagues jackasses, Art the deuce) hired based on skin color not ability and track record. At age 35 Tomlin wasn’t ready. But he is now 48 and I feel if his natural progression would have been allowed to take place he’d be ready to take the helm of a team and turn them around. Again, remember most nfl head coaches take over bad nfl teams. Tomlin got the keys to a HOF QB and a great team. I hope that he takes that next step and he ends up being a HOF coach.
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this is good. I would add on thing. He needs to learn to game plan against opponents, and adjust in the early parts of the game to win. He's not that good at that.
Coming from a lightweight like you it means nothing
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I'm patiently waiting for the Frontiere Rule...
For every position on both offense and defense, talent scouts and other evaluators for all teams must review at least 1 white athlete during the pre-draft process.
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For every position on both offense and defense, talent scouts and other evaluators for all teams must review at least 1 white athlete during the pre-draft process.
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I always try to stay positive about Tomlin because I know he isn't going anywhere. Hoping the additions of Canada and Hilliard make a difference, while still concerned about his stubbornness with help regarding clock management and challenges.
And after 13 years one would think game planning and adjustments would have the arrow pointing up, if you will.
And after 13 years one would think game planning and adjustments would have the arrow pointing up, if you will.
He is no where near Shula in won loss percentage after 13 years, Care to compare?
Shula dominates him in every aspect. Shula was 138-39-5 all 14 game seasons a winning percentage of 78 % with 2 Super Bowl wins in 4 attempts. he lost ZERO games on year, One game in two years and 2 games in 2 years. One year he went 11-1-2 in 1967 and MISSED the playoffs
Tomlin is at 133-74-1 with a winning percentage of 64 percent huge advantage Shula He has 5 less wins and 35 more losses in 26 less games and has NEVER had a season with even just 2 losses. He also has not been to the Super Bow in 10 years and counting.
Yup. #23 all time in wins, and Tomlin is a bum. Keep making stuff up to tell yourself how bad Tomlin is...
Your argument was a dime a dozen. He's clearly better than that.
Making stuff up, LMFAO, I ripped your made up stats.
Any average NFL coach would match Tomlin's numbers given Ben and the Steelers rosters and organization. Unfortunately good NFL coaches would destroy his stats and have more Lombardis in the trophy case but hey posters here are hoping he improves his in game adjustments and clock management going into his 14th year. What exactly does Tomlin d well other than bullshit and lose crtitical games and miss the playoffs 38.4 percent of the time ?
Any average NFL coach would match Tomlin's numbers given Ben and the Steelers rosters and organization. Unfortunately good NFL coaches would destroy his stats and have more Lombardis in the trophy case but hey posters here are hoping he improves his in game adjustments and clock management going into his 14th year. What exactly does Tomlin d well other than bullshit and lose crtitical games and miss the playoffs 38.4 percent of the time ?
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Wrong. Arians wasn’t fired. His contract expired and he wasn’t offered a new one. More BS from Mr. Dumb ***.
More diarrhea of the mouth on your part. Opinion...not fact. Tomlin had a top 5 defense in 2019. As for “his 4-3 cover two” he’s never run it as it was at MIN or TB. They’ve had the same base scheme 3-4 since he was hired. Game has changed since then in which package defenses takes precedence over standard 3-4 or 4-3.
Colbert and Tomlin haven’t done well with corners for whatever reason. They do find them in free agency though. As for your observation of sideline coaching. Asinine. You have no idea what goes on via the head sets. The coordinators are busy and the HC has an ear to all that’s going on and will make decisions situationally. Tom Landry, Don Shula and Chuck all were low key on game days. Their “coaching” players were performed during practices.
“I don’t think” Tomlin would have 1st or second choice......This itself constitutes your BS methodology. You don’t think at all. Period.
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