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Rooney Rule modification

Cope said:
I disagree Vader. This is not a quota. It's not affirmative action. It doesn't say you have to hire a minority. Teams aren't gaining draft slots for hiring minorities. It's just a way to get minorities interviewed. It's up to the teams who they will hire. Personally I thought just having the rule for the Head Coach position kind of stunted the ability to grow minority coaches throughout the league, and created too few viable applicants for head coaching positions. Now there is a pathway for it.
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They are after an end. As Chip pointed out, they are mandating that coaches with specific skin color be interviewed. Why? Because the NFL wants more black coaches and they want it now. The Rooney rule was a horrible idea because it interjects race into an area that should be color blind. It isn't about opportunity because the Rooney rule gave them that. Are there owners that won't hire a black coach? I have no idea. But it's their team. They skip over a more qualified coach then that is on them. They let Marv Lewis coach the bungles for years. The ownership cares nothing about winning. But hey they had a black HC so the NFL is over joyed. This shouldn't be about race but that's the world today. If the only way different people can live together is for one group to be a protected class it will never work.
 
Writing out a response to all this and then erasing it has been cathartic.
Cause in reality, we've all got our beliefs that we're going to stick to. And, those beliefs mean absolutely nothing in regards to what the NFL is going to do. Nada, Zip, Zilch. Two things I find amusing however:

1. Those who say how they would feel "IF" they were a black man. As if that were even possible. That's as far fetched as me imagining being Caucasian. Even in trying, I'd take my own experience as a Black man and form my "imaginary color switch" thoughts and opinion based upon those.

2. The idea that the Rooney Rule is only meant for Black coaches. Last I checked, Latinos, Polynesians an Asians are minorities too; and therefore would qualify under the rule. Of course we know it applied to Ron Rivera (even if some conveniently forget that fact for whatever reason). But, what about the influx of Samoan players over the last 20 years or so? Don't think any of them could benefit from the rule? Or possibly Asian-American Taylor Rapp may get into coaching after his career is over. Nope, it's just a rule that can help Blacks. The rest of the minorities are excluded from participation .... again.

Edit: And let me say, I find the idea of allowing teams to move up in the draft based on hiring a minority appalling. Getting an interview is one thing. Creating competitive imbalance based upon minority hiring? Nah, I'll pass.
 
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I have no idea what it's like to be black. On the flip side if you are black you have no idea what it's like to be white. Same with the sexes (both of them). My issue is that every single race and creed have no issues talking about "their" people and looking out for "their" interests. Unless you are white. Then that's forbidden. Just listen to 3 black guys (I listen to them almost every day) talk about this issue. Notice the language. "Our" people and "our" interests. Now imagine 3 white guys talking the exact same way... :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GTLvfXCUNw
 
Vader said:
I have no idea what it's like to be black. On the flip side if you are black you have no idea what it's like to be white. Same with the sexes (both of them). My issue is that every single race and creed have no issues talking about "their" people and looking out for "their" interests. Unless you are white. Then that's forbidden. Just listen to 3 black guys (I listen to them almost every day) talk about this issue. Notice the language. "Our" people and "our" interests. Now imagine 3 white guys talking the exact same way... :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GTLvfXCUNw
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The experiences of different races in the U.S. are different. So, I mean, it would only make sense that people of the same race would discuss those experiences and how they impact them as a community. We're not at a place where Black, White, Asian, Latino, etc. people all share the same type of experiences, beliefs or ideals. Maybe we will get there one day. I think probably not. But there will always be that divide as long as there are different viewpoints and experiences. Personally, I don't have a problem hearing White folks talk about their needs ... I hear it every day on the news, TV shows, etc. So, why not in person? Because if you let the media continue to talk for y'all, the rest of us will believe that the only things many of you want is the ability to go outside during a pandemic, a whole lot of guns and a wall or two. (*Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, that last sentence was mostly a joke).
 
SteelBuckeye said:
The experiences of different races in the U.S. are different. So, I mean, it would only make sense that people of the same race would discuss those experiences and how they impact them as a community. We're not at a place where Black, White, Asian, Latino, etc. people all share the same type of experiences, beliefs or ideals. Maybe we will get there one day. I think probably not. But there will always be that divide as long as there are different viewpoints and experiences. Personally, I don't have a problem hearing White folks talk about their needs ... I hear it every day on the news, TV shows, etc. So, why not in person? Because if you let the media continue to talk for y'all, the rest of us will believe that the only things many of you want is the ability to go outside during a pandemic, a whole lot of guns and a wall or two. (*Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, that last sentence was mostly a joke).
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When you hear white people talking about the needs of the U.S. they aren't just talking about white people. If you can find me one main stream video of white people sitting around discussing what is best for whites in the U.S. I'd love to see it. We're all tribal by nature. Whites have been brow beaten into believing that they have no racial interests. Which is ridiculous IMHO.

The weird thing is that many blacks that I've talked with about this agree with me. They really don't understand why whites are almost self-hating. They are proud of their heritage and I'm proud of mine. I really don't see the issue.
 
For me the main issue is the double standard. Black people can talk about black pride and this and that and its all great, but if a group of white people did that they would be labeled racist or KKK members or what not. You can certainly be proud of your race or heritage w/o being racist. I am white German / Irish, but I dont really think about being white German and Irish. I just think of myself as a person. As far as the NFL goes I dont think owners give a damn whether a coach is white, black, blue, or purple as long as they win them games. I think its fine to have teams interview minorities, but to make it fair maybe have it so no coaches can be hired till after the SB. If you tie hiring minorities to draft position it is just disingenuous to all involved.
 
A quota may pertain to the amount of candidates that need to be interviewed, but there is zero quota on how many of them need to be hired. I don't see any injustice on either side in this.

Also blacks are not the only minority. Ron Rivera can attest to that.
 
I love how Ron Rivera's name keeps coming up. Like the term is minority, but it isn't like there are a ton of Asians up for these jobs. I'm good with whatever the NFL does. It's their business. It's all optics but I get it. But I'm a white man in Canada. I don't feel like I've been screwed over like some of you. All though if it's not you up for these jobs I don't get the strong feelings. Like this isn't you at your office getting overlooked here.
 
It's just a public relations stunt by the league to show how woke they are. The original Rooney rule was the same thing.

It's kind of absurd because the owners are the ones voting for these policies while they're also the ones who ultimately hire the coaches and GMs.
 
Vader said:
They are after an end. As Chip pointed out, they are mandating that coaches with specific skin color be interviewed. Why? Because the NFL wants more black coaches and they want it now. The Rooney rule was a horrible idea because it interjects race into an area that should be color blind. It isn't about opportunity because the Rooney rule gave them that. Are there owners that won't hire a black coach? I have no idea. But it's their team. They skip over a more qualified coach then that is on them. They let Marv Lewis coach the bungles for years. The ownership cares nothing about winning. But hey they had a black HC so the NFL is over joyed. This shouldn't be about race but that's the world today. If the only way different people can live together is for one group to be a protected class it will never work.
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I know imma catch some stuff over this but I just can't help myself. This forum is not a place for politics...I get it.... and it won't happen again ...but...this meme covers the depth of the conversation while interjecting some tongue in cheek humor. Why the race issue is still prominent in the NFL is beyond me.

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SteelBuckeye said:
The experiences of different races in the U.S. are different. So, I mean, it would only make sense that people of the same race would discuss those experiences and how they impact them as a community. We're not at a place where Black, White, Asian, Latino, etc. people all share the same type of experiences, beliefs or ideals. Maybe we will get there one day. I think probably not. But there will always be that divide as long as there are different viewpoints and experiences. Personally, I don't have a problem hearing White folks talk about their needs ... I hear it every day on the news, TV shows, etc. So, why not in person? Because if you let the media continue to talk for y'all, the rest of us will believe that the only things many of you want is the ability to go outside during a pandemic, a whole lot of guns and a wall or two. (*Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, that last sentence was mostly a joke).
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Are the experiences different? It is a individual issue. A lot of whites get racial hate thrown at them. It just isn't a media story. Hate comes in all colors. I have had plenty of racial encounters in my life. But I understand that is individual ignorance. My family is my people my friends are my people they come in all colors. If everyone else followed suit there would exist a better America. But it isn't happening so I have no problem with promoting equality. But that should exist for every man,woman,child without agendas underlined in.

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Vader said:
I have no idea what it's like to be black. On the flip side if you are black you have no idea what it's like to be white. Same with the sexes (both of them). My issue is that every single race and creed have no issues talking about "their" people and looking out for "their" interests. Unless you are white. Then that's forbidden. Just listen to 3 black guys (I listen to them almost every day) talk about this issue. Notice the language. "Our" people and "our" interests. Now imagine 3 white guys talking the exact same way... :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GTLvfXCUNw
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100% this. Being a white man means on a DAILY basis you are subjected to open racism. Not just open but encouraged by society. I’ve been passed over for promotions and then later when the minority failed and I finally get it told straight to my face I was the better candidate but due to “quotas” was passed over the last time. Imagine as a black person being passed over because of your skin color? You can’t imagine it because being black means working 75% as hard as your white counterpart and still getting the job, scholarship, admittance into college etc.

I’m done with the political correctness. It’s either we are all the human race or nothing for me.


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Cope said:
A quota may pertain to the amount of candidates that need to be interviewed, but there is zero quota on how many of them need to be hired. I don't see any injustice on either side in this.

Also blacks are not the only minority. Ron Rivera can attest to that.
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That may be your interpretation but what happens if they follow the interview guidelines and increased hires for 'minorities' are not realized as a result ?
 
SteelChip said:
That may be your interpretation but what happens if they follow the interview guidelines and increased hires for 'minorities' are not realized as a result ?
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It will be Trump's fault.
 
SteelChip said:
That may be your interpretation but what happens if they follow the interview guidelines and increased hires for 'minorities' are not realized as a result ?
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I can't speak for the league. The intent is to allow more minorities to interview. The rule change will achieve this.
 
Cope said:
I can't speak for the league. The intent is to allow more minorities to interview. The rule change will achieve this.
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No the intent is to get more minority coaches.
 
Vader said:
No the intent is to get more minority coaches.
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I kinda agree with Cope and mix in a few comments from others. I believe the intent is for the optics of having more minorities "interview" for coaching positions. That way, even if they're not ultimately hired, the NFL/Owners can point to their progressive approach to the process. I could be wrong, but I don't see the rule actually increasing minority hires.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
I kinda agree with Cope and mix in a few comments from others. I believe the intent is for the optics of having more minorities "interview" for coaching positions. That way, even if they're not ultimately hired, the NFL/Owners can point to their progressive approach to the process. I could be wrong, but I don't see the rule actually increasing minority hires.
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If there are more minority hires, it will not be because of this policy.

As I said earlier, if the owners wanted more minority coaches and GMs, they could make it so. They own and control the freaking teams.

Their enacting policy to regulate themselves is beyond ridiculous.
 
Cope said:
I can't speak for the league. The intent is to allow more minorities to interview. The rule change will achieve this.
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Vader said:
No the intent is to get more minority coaches.
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Doesn't look like this issue is on the path to resolution. I'll just say that I am not in favor of racial quotas or mandates, I would much rather the teams run their organizations like the business's they are and stop pandering to the whims of the perpetually oppressed and maligned. Seems like when more concessions are given, then more are required.

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This opens up the avenue of bullshit artists like Tomlin getting interviews and blowing away the owners in said interview instead of hiring the more qualified coach.
 
I have always said I have no problem whatsoever with a rule requiring more minority interviews. That being said I would have a serious beef with a rule requiring any person to be hired strictly for racial, gender or sexual orientation quotas. Getting a chance at a job is fine as long you have to be hired on your merits alone. Assuring equal opportunity does not mean assuring equal outcomes.
 
Cope said:
I'd think that would be the by-product.
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If hiring a minority were just a by-product then why do it at all? You think they are just trying to get more minorities to interview? That makes no sense. They want more minority coaches, assistants and FO people. That's not a by-product that is the entire product.

In a few years if this doesn't work they'll tweak it again because they aren't getting the results (more minority coaches) that they want. The entire point of this isn't interviews.
 
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