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Mediocre Mike and the Mavens of Mundane

There's no excuse for this. To me,it makes me think it's all rigged. Can anyone explain to me the 2 DL on the goal line? Other than to let them score.

Nobody is this incompetent. This is intent. Atleast in my eyes.

**** you coaches for calling this. Please go away.


 
Steelr4evr said:
There's no excuse for this. To me,it makes me think it's all rigged. Can anyone explain to me the 2 DL on the goal line? Other than to let them score.

Nobody is this incompetent. This is intent. Atleast in my eyes.

**** you coaches for calling this. Please go away.


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The funniest thing is that the national guys are just now catching on, this has been going on for years and years, I've mentioned on here a million times, the playoff game vs Cleveland who had a great Oline and great running game, their first 4 offensive TD's came with us in a 2DL set, why we'd ever have only 2 DL vs a great running team is beyond me, but there we were.
 
IndySteel said:
One undeniable fact is that Cowher is the clear winner in the "which coach is better" debate.
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Cowher has been my winner way before this 9 yr debacle.

When players like Troy said publicly the focus wasn’t football-ish and practices needed to be more professional, that was my hint……..

PLUS

Confucius Ron Burgundy has been preaching for years………… listen to him……!!!!!




Salute the nation
 
Coryea said:
The funniest thing is that the national guys are just now catching on, this has been going on for years and years, I've mentioned on here a million times, the playoff game vs Cleveland who had a great Oline and great running game, their first 4 offensive TD's came with us in a 2DL set, why we'd ever have only 2 DL vs a great running team is beyond me, but there we were.
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The media is always years behind. They just market a narrative long gone without really following what the team is actually doing.

I stopped watching them a long time ago. They just spout off nonsense that only applied many years ago.
 
Drink IRON City said:
Cowher has been my winner way before this 9 yr debacle.

When players like Troy said publicly the focus wasn’t football-ish and practices needed to be more professional, that was my hint……..

PLUS

Confucius Ron Burgundy has been preaching for years………… listen to him……!!!!!




Salute the nation
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Yeah never really was a debate, anyone that watched both teams could see that, hell Cowher won playoff games with Neil, Kordell, Tomczak, Maddox, made a Super Bowl and 4 AFCCG's without a franchise QB, and another thing that doesn't get talked about much, is Cowher was able to over turn the roster at least 3 different times and turn them into a contending team.
 
Avoid_Lloyd said:
That sounds like the Diver we all know, you’re back lol
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I'll admit I'm wrong about some things, but there are some things I am absolutely right about as well. You see everything through the lense of Tomlin BAD! I don't. Coaches, all coaches, hate press conferences, even when things are going well. Most of their answers are just to get through that particular moment. Coachspeak. That's just a fact. But every once and a while they will say something more revealing, and those two moments were an example of that. Why don't you explain what you want him to say in a press conference, and then tell me what coach would ever say what you want him to say? But you won't because you can't, and that's why I'm right on that.
 
Coryea said:
Well we have the highest paid defense in NFL history, that's not helping Tomlin either. It's funny you have ex players complaining about how bad the scheme is.
I find it hilarious when people try to pass the buck from the coaches and say players have to play, then why do any coaches get paid big money? Team constantly kill us in the middle of our defense because we have LB's always trying to cover WR's, been happening here since LeBeau left, but that's not Tomlins fault, our damn ILB should be able to run with WR's, player play uh?
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No one is passing the buck. It's just true. Did Joe Greene and those great players only beat people because of Chuck Noll's great schemes, or did they beat the guy in front of them a lot? I guess when Swann was making those great, acrobatic catches, it was the coaches scheme. All am saying is that these ***** players the Steelers have love hiding behind scheme, and while yes, a lot of that is true, they also have a bunch of overpaid guys who don't make plays.
 
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diver said:
I'll admit I'm wrong about some things, but there are some things I am absolutely right about as well. You see everything through the lense of Tomlin BAD! I don't. Coaches, all coaches, hate press conferences, even when things are going well. Most of their answers are just to get through that particular moment. Coachspeak. That's just a fact. But every once and a while they will say something more revealing, and those two moments were an example of that. Why don't you explain what you want him to say in a press conference, and then tell me what coach would ever say what you want him to say? But you won't because you can't, and that's why I'm right on that.
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diver said:
No one is passing the buck. It's just true. Did Joe Greene and those great players only beat people because of Chuck Noll's great schemes, or did they beat the guy in front of them a lot? I guess when Swann was making those great, acrobatic catches, it was the coaches scheme. All am saying is that these ***** players the Steelers have love hiding behind scheme, and while yes, a lot of that is true, they also have a bunch of overpaid guys who don't make plays.
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Well Joe Greene was never put in there with one other DLinemen vs 5 Olinemen. LeBeau never allowed Harrison to be double teamed and chipped like Watt is because he'd come at you with an overload or something. You're naming all time great players, when you don't have all-time great players as a coach you have to be able to use x's and o's to help your guys.

Patrick Queen just called out the scheme after the Bears game with reporters.
 
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diver said:
No one is passing the buck. It's just true. Did Joe Greene and those great players only beat people because of Chuck Noll's great schemes, or did they beat the guy in front of them a lot? I guess when Swann was making those great, acrobatic catches, it was the coaches scheme. All am saying is that these ***** players the Steelers have love hiding behind scheme, and while yes, a lot of that is true, they also have a bunch of overpaid guys who don't make plays.
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The problem is the Steelers had the same issues when the players were making plays. They just maked the issues. When Watt wasn’t playing like a superhero, the defense would fall apart. Tomlin still expects these old dudes to play like they are in their prime. They aren’t, and it’s one of the worst defenses in the league.

I'm a fan and love to see one-helmet players, but that is from the fan perspective. The front office and coaching staff understand it's a young man's game and should quit paying old guys huge money.

Also, Tomlin is stuck in his ways and hasn’t adjusted with the rest of the league. He’s an out-of-touch coach right now and that is bad coaching.
 
ZonaBurgh said:
You always hear excuses from critics asking if they fire Tomlin who would they hire?
The Bears seem to have done OK.
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I don't know if the Bears hiring the biggest slam dunk of last year's hiring cycle is the best example. But Ben Johnson is a guy I think at least 80% of this board would've hired last year if the team moved on from Tomlin.
 
I can admit that it took me a few seasons to catch onto the intellectual in-game know how that Tomlin lacks. I was one of those who believed the players play, but over the past 5-6 seasons, seeing the same show again and again and again, despite the uptick in talent... well... that's coaching.

and when we had a scapegoat that was inconsequental...
and a HOF coach leave...
and a HOF QB leave with little fanfare only to be replaced by a nervous FO pick...
and a HOF safety bail...

it opens eyes. Now the former players are saying we suck. It was bad enough when that turd POS Edelman said our defensive schemes havent changed since he played... but now our own are turning.

I used to ask - if we fire Tomlin now, who would we replace him with? It was a legit question, and not one to defend him in any way. Tomlin does have some sort of appeal to current players - probably his coach speak and ability to make guys feel good about themselves. I'll admit that Tomlin likely knows more about Xs and Os than many people here, but he doesnt transfer that knowledge to game day. Or so it appears.

I was all about letting Mike go last season and bringing in Ben Johnson.

The next name to surface should be Chris Shula from the Rams, Todd Monken from the Rats or Joe Brady from Buffalo. Hell, I'd even flirt with Zach Orr from Baltimore, too.
 
Coryea said:
Well Joe Greene was never put in there with one other DLinemen vs 5 Olinemen. LeBeau never allowed Harrison to be double teamed and chipped like Watt is because he'd come at you with an overload or something. You're naming all time great players, when you don't have all-time great players as a coach you have to be able to use x's and o's to help your guys.

Patrick Queen just called out the scheme after the Bears game
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Patrick Queen. We all know the scheme ducks. But remember the doubts when they signed him? He's overrated.
 
Superman said:
I can admit that it took me a few seasons to catch onto the intellectual in-game know how that Tomlin lacks. I was one of those who believed the players play, but over the past 5-6 seasons, seeing the same show again and again and again, despite the uptick in talent... well... that's coaching.

and when we had a scapegoat that was inconsequental...
and a HOF coach leave...
and a HOF QB leave with little fanfare only to be replaced by a nervous FO pick...
and a HOF safety bail...

it opens eyes. Now the former players are saying we suck. It was bad enough when that turd POS Edelman said our defensive schemes havent changed since he played... but now our own are turning.

I used to ask - if we fire Tomlin now, who would we replace him with? It was a legit question, and not one to defend him in any way. Tomlin does have some sort of appeal to current players - probably his coach speak and ability to make guys feel good about themselves. I'll admit that Tomlin likely knows more about Xs and Os than many people here, but he doesnt transfer that knowledge to game day. Or so it appears.

I was all about letting Mike go last season and bringing in Ben Johnson.

The next name to surface should be Chris Shula from the Rams, Todd Monken from the Rats or Joe Brady from Buffalo. Hell, I'd even flirt with Zach Orr from Baltimore, too.
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I guarantee you, not one single person on this board would've went to a nickel defense with only 2 DL on a 3rd and goal from the 2.
 
no, and few of us would have put less than 4 DL on goal line in that situation. and like i said, his knowledge of Xs and Os doesn't translate to game day.
 
diver said:
No one is passing the buck. It's just true. Did Joe Greene and those great players only beat people because of Chuck Noll's great schemes, or did they beat the guy in front of them a lot? I guess when Swann was making those great, acrobatic catches, it was the coaches scheme. All am saying is that these ***** players the Steelers have love hiding behind scheme, and while yes, a lot of that is true, they also have a bunch of overpaid guys who don't make plays.
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You’re right diver, both are correct. It seems the current scheme doesn’t put the players in best positions to win. The OL blocking scheme seems to be one, the defensive coverage (middle) seems to be another, the offense not passing over the middle seems to be another,……………..

Noll didn’t do deficient schemes on a consistent basis, he continuously tried to get players and scheme to match. He was fortunate to have the great players he had, thus making his job easier.

Unfortunately the Tomlin scheme has been deficient for quite some time. It’s not that he hasn’t had great players, but more like player not matching up to the scheme. the round peg / square hole syndrome.

AS for coach speak, absolutely agree the coach is not going to address in real terms the behind the scenes questions. It’s frustrating for the fans to listen to the salad trying to make himself appear smarter, by use of riddled language.

Now the Tomlin is down to bringing in players he doesn’t have to develope, a losing cause as cost and age become a defeating purpose.





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Yes.

We know.

We have been saying it for a while.

But the Rooneys will never fire a black coach because of their “progressive” politics and the fear of being called racists. Mikey Sunglasses couldn’t be blasted out of his job with 2 tons of dynamite.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
I don't know if the Bears hiring the biggest slam dunk of last year's hiring cycle is the best example. But Ben Johnson is a guy I think at least 80% of this board would've hired last year if the team moved on from Tomlin.
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I was hoping that actually happened…. Before it didn’t.
 
Superman said:
The next name to surface should be Chris Shula from the Rams, Todd Monken from the Rats or Joe Brady from Buffalo. Hell, I'd even flirt with Zach Orr from Baltimore, too.
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OCs
-Klint Kubiak (OC Seattle) - Mixed results as an OC, but has been with three different teams. He's coaching under one of the better young defensive-minded head coaches right now, so you assume he has control over the offense. Kept Sam Darnold's success from Minnesota going and has one of the best offenses in the league and helped turn JSN into a superstar this year.

-Klay Kubiak (OC SF) - Lacks experience and Kyle Shanahan still runs the show, but he has a heck of a system that has the 49ers performing even with key injuries.

-Mike LaFelur (OC LAR) and Nate Scheelhaase (pass game coordinator LAR) - I'm interested in any offensive-minded coach under the McVay coaching tree. Zac Taylor, Matt LaFleur, Kevin O'Connell. McVay is arguably the best coach in the league and the Rams just had one of the more impressive rebuilds since their last Super Bowl. I think this would really modernize the Steelers approach on offense.

DCs
-Chris Shula (DC LAR) - He's helped build a strong defense with the Rams, including young draft picks performing well early on. His NFL pedigree certainly doesn't hurt.

-Kelvin Sheppard (DC Detroit) - Young DC, though lacks experience as a coordinator. He's done pretty well in his first year on the job.

College
-Marcus Freeman - I think he has the type of demeanor and style to translate from the college game to the NFL. He's recruited a lot of former Steelers' sons to play there, so they are impressed what what he is doing. He's been to a CFP title game and is a face-of-the-franchise type coach.

2nd-Time HCs
-*Sean McDermott - Big *if* is if he gets fired. Classic good coach who can't reach the big game, but he's had Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes in his way. In 8 full seasons, he's had 6 10+ win seasons and has won a playoff game in 5 of 7 appearances. He's a good coach who could have learned through playoff failures.
 
I prefer the O linked coaches, good list.
 
Was it Monken that transformed Action Jackson? If so that is an interesting name as he was pretty special how they made him into a better passer…
 
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