Kaboly says Steelers Listening to trade offers for Watt

[SteelerSask2]

Wrong about what? I'm not questioning the greatness of TJ Watt. I am question the lack of production in the biggest games...really from everyone, top down. Watt plays for the Steelers and should not be above question.

I think the funniest part of this argument is Im not sure we disagree about the fact that we'd be ok trading him. I think you are basing your argument on 4 games spread out over what 7 years with a variety of factors. Im basing mine on the fact that he wants to be slotted in the same place he was in his first mega deal after his rookie deal. And that is just not realistic. Players age. He could have that market on a team that is flush with cap space looking for a player to market. If he was a FA. He us not. They will come to an agreement. They always do.
I think he has a firm argument to Myles Garrett's contract and a couple ego dollars. Myles Garrett didnt even play in many post season games. But if he wants non edge position top non QB money.......that's a problem.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

You can admit Minkah to your list too. Right?

Absolutely

 

[diver]

I think the funniest part of this argument is Im not sure we disagree about the fact that we'd be ok trading him. I think you are basing your argument on 4 games spread out over what 7 years with a variety of factors. Im basing mine on the fact that he wants to be slotted in the same place he was in his first mega deal after his rookie deal. And that is just not realistic. Players age. He could have that market on a team that is flush with cap space looking for a player to market. If he was a FA. He us not. They will come to an agreement. They always do.
I think he has a firm argument to Myles Garrett's contract and a couple ego dollars. Myles Garrett didnt even play in many post season games. But if he wants non edge position top non QB money.......that's a problem.

We don't. And I am probably expressing my frustration at the lack of success of this team over the last many as years. I don't get nearly as bothered as I used to, but due to it, you just don't have the same connection to these players. And I don't mean some kind of hero worship or role modeling, I'm to old for that stuff. The appreciation for the enjoyment they gave you due to their success.

 

[Coryea]

We don't. And I am probably expressing my frustration at the lack of success of this team over the last many as years. I don't get nearly as bothered as I used to, but due to it, you just don't have the same connection to these players. And I don't mean some kind of hero worship or role modeling, I'm to old for that stuff. The appreciation for the enjoyment they gave you due to their success.

I made a post similar to this months ago, basically saying how much of the joy and excitement Tomlin has sucked out of this franchise. There just in no excitement around this team anymore.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

I made a post similar to this months ago, basically saying how much of the joy and excitement Tomlin has sucked out of this franchise. There just in no excitement around this team anymore.

When players retire, Troy, Hines, Ben, it takes away the anticipation of watching this team. Should they consider offers for TJ, maybe, but then it's one more player gone that can change the game, even if it's only a play or two per game.

 

[SteelerSask2]

We don't. And I am probably expressing my frustration at the lack of success of this team over the last many as years. I don't get nearly as bothered as I used to, but due to it, you just don't have the same connection to these players. And I don't mean some kind of hero worship or role modeling, I'm to old for that stuff. The appreciation for the enjoyment they gave you due to their success.

I agree completely. I will say Watt is my favorite player clearly. I mean he is everything you could possibly want from a defender and I like defense. If this was his rookie extension no way Id consider trading him. I just know there is no way a long term window of contending is going to open with Tomlin leading this ship and at least two more years from a long term solution at QB. I believe what will happen is he will agree to highest paid edge player on a three year deal. His last as a Steeler. He won't sniff playoff success. I cannot say he bares no responsibility in that. But he certainly is not the problem.

 

[Steeltime]

NBA - 15 players per roster
MLB - 26 players per roster
NHL - 23 players per roster
MLS - 30 players per roster
NFL - 53 players per roster

WNBA - 12 players per roster

Now we're done.

 

[steelhurt]

As much as I love having TJ on this football team and being part of the local community imo you simply must listen to all offers.
With or without TJ we are not close to going to a SB based on multiple reasons provided in this thread and other threads.
The owner must remove his head from his *** and think long term here. If you can receive an attractive return for TJ you have to take it.
We will need plenty of ammo for the 26 draft and simply cannot fail to get our guy, the right guy to be our QB far beyond TJs’ playing days.
I don’t know how much longer TJ has left playing at a high level but looking at the last few years, injuries are taking their toll.
He’s usually lights out in September and October but you see him start to wear down come November and December. That’s age and just his body wearing down.
I think you just have to listen to all offers and if there is one that is too good to pass up, you pull the trigger. You certainly don’t give him away, it has to be a one that allows me to help get my QB next draft.

 

[insaniti]

WNBA - 12 players per roster

Now we're done.

I was putting up "PRO" leagues




I kid, I kid lol

 

[topseed]

This is the direct result of not having guaranteed contracts.
This nonsense only happens in football.
None of the other sports have this quandary.
I don't know much about the NBA, but Hockey and Baseball both have guaranteed contracts, and they also have arbitration when the owner/GM and the player see different value in the player.

NBA salaries are even more ridiculous.

I'm a Spurs fan, and they just brought in some guy named Kelly Olynyk. I'd barely even heard of him. He's evidently been in the league for 12 years, and the Spurs will be his eighth NBA team. Last year, he averaged 8.7 points and 4.7 rebounds in only 44 games combined with the Raptors and Pelicans. At the age of 34, he's the true definition of a journeyman. His 2025/26 salary? 13.45 million dollars.

 

[SteveA]

I'm a Spurs fan, and they just brought in some guy named Kelly Olynyk. I'd barely even heard of him. He's evidently been in the league for 12 years, and the Spurs will be his eighth NBA team. Last year, he averaged 8.7 points and 4.7 rebounds in only 44 games combined with the Raptors and Pelicans. At the age of 34, he's the true definition of a journeyman. His 2025/26 salary? 13.45 million dollar

I hated him when he was on the Celtics, he was always in the middle of Shiite...He's one of those players you hate on other teams but love him on yours

He's a 6-11 Center/Power Forward, who will scrap & knock people on their arse...AND he has a great 3 point shot. He can spell Wemby & they can even be on the court together at times because he's a physical MF'er enforcer type and at the same time he's a knock-down shooter

Spurs fans & you gonna love him

 

[fedderone]

Those sports are also miles behind the NFL in popularity. I think it's hard in the NFL to have guaranteed contracts because of the number of injuries and the salary cap.

They’re all mikes behind in league revenue to share, too.
And all of the pro leagues have to deal with injuries.
The NFL and NHL would be most injuries due to more physical nature.

 

[fedderone]

NBA - 15 players per roster
MLB - 26 players per roster
NHL - 23 players per roster
MLS - 30 players per roster
NFL - 53 players per roster

NFL SALARY CAP - 280 million
NBA SALARY CAP - 155 million
NHL SALARY CAP - 96 million
MLS SALARY CAP - 6 million

MLB LUXURY TAX THRESHOLD - 241 million

NBA - 10.3 million/player
NFL - 5.3 million/player
NHL - 4.2 million/player
MLS - 200 thousand/player

MLB - 9.3 million /player

 

[SteelerSask2]

I looked at Garrett's contract. Basically this. If you aren't willing to pay that plus a token 500k. Forget it. Go get your third round pick or a lesser player. If he wants substantially more......see above. He is the same player more or less but Watt is more likeable. Which has little cash value.

 

[bermudasteel]

I agree it changed the game. but it also helped introduce the NFL to millions more fans. the NFL is more popular today because of FF.

Can't argue that at all but the game "as we know it" no longer exists.

With that being said, I suggest that we ask be happy with mediocrity because the league is corrupt and... done.

 

[Djfan]

Can't argue that at all but the game "as we know it" no longer exists.

With that being said, I suggest that we ask be happy with mediocrity because the league is corrupt and... done.

Bullseye.

Sucks.

 

[Steeltime]

Can't argue that at all but the game "as we know it" no longer exists.

With that being said, I suggest that we ask be happy with mediocrity ...

"You got a problem with 9-8??"

 

[bermudasteel]

Right. The league wants income that is secured. The fans want great football. They are simply different focuses and will not be reconciled. Even as long-term fans leave the sport, the league knows it is brining in new fans at a faster rate, so they don't care.

It used to be that college football was not plagued by this issue, and offered a great alternative to the fan of the game. No longer. Now we look to the UFL, or just diminish the passion, focusing on other things. For us, it's hockey and outdoors activities.

86 days until the NHL season starts. I can wait.

College football is absolutely messed up because of the NIL. Which ties directly to the crazies that get drafted to the NFL - players are greedy (and deservingly so in some cases); but long gone are the days of LOYALTY to your organization/franchise.

It's all a business and economics drives the needle...

 

[bermudasteel]

I made a post similar to this months ago, basically saying how much of the joy and excitement Tomlin has sucked out of this franchise. There just in no excitement around this team anymore.

You're too laser focused with your blame, bro.

Look at the big picture...

 

[Coryea]

You're too laser focused with your blame, bro.

Look at the big picture...

He's the only constant, over almost a decade of playoff failures, they've pretty much all looked the same, his defense gets killed and game over by halftime.

 

[Djfan]

College football is absolutely messed up because of the NIL. Which ties directly to the crazies that get drafted to the NFL - players are greedy (and deservingly so in some cases); but long gone are the days of LOYALTY to your organization/franchise.

It's all a business and economics drives the needle...

Yup. This is why I have even a small interest in the UFL.

 

[MT~Forged]

You could watch the last “playoff” game and see the scheme was the problem. TJ was directed to take the RB no matter what, with no improvised actions. That is 1000% on the coach, not the player because TJ did his assignment every time as directed.

 

[Badcat]

This whole conversation comes down to this...the Steelers can' t win playoff games with TJ and they can't win regular games without him. Captain Cool Shades only cares about winning Tomlinships and he needs TJ to do just that. Pay the man a huge contract maintaining the highest paid defense in all of football only to be decimated in the first round wildcard game by teams like the Browns and Jags. But never a losing record...except the playoffs...but no one wants to say that part out loud now do they?

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I think that has more to do with Coaching. You play good teams with good coaches in the playoffs, any good coach can scheme against a top player when that player is in a cracker jack box defensive scheme.
There is zero threat of a blitz, so it's simple LT has your ROLB, LG has one DE, your C has the other DE, leaving your RG, RT, TE, RB all to chip and block Watt, however you want to use them.
I mean why don't we ever hear about Heyward only having 1 sack in 9 playoffs games? He has pretty great regular seasons then nothing in the playoffs as well, so two future HOF players(well Watt is 1st ballot, Heyward has a decent shot) suddenly do nothing in the playoffs.

Coaching does indeed have A LOT to do with it

By the same token, if you are THE BEST non QB and seeking to be paid that way, prove it…overcome some **** coaching like the best player in the league would.

Did James Harrison play under Mike and his predictable schemes, sure did…but he made **** happen anyway.

At some point even under such mediocre coaching ya just have to make a freaking play when it matters cuz excuses are like ********. A mediocre player wanting middle of the road money can play that excuse card. A guy thinking he’s the best non QB can’t imo.

Jaco Pastorius said “it ain’t bragging if ya can back it up” well conversely

“If ya can’t back it up, it’s just bragging”
Fiji Mariner

Don’t tell me how great ya are, back it up
One damn time

 

[Fiji Mariner]

You could watch the last “playoff” game and see the scheme was the problem. TJ was directed to take the RB no matter what, with no improvised actions. That is 1000% on the coach, not the player because TJ did his assignment every time as directed.

I can get behind this assessment vs the Rats, that was absolutely asinine deployment.

What excuses are we gonna make for his other 3 non impactful games where he was 0-3 without such a dogshit deployment?

I know the coaching sucks, and it has for a long time…
Other players prevailed somehow tho,
Were they just all better players than TJ?

I’ll say it…when the rubber meets the road I’ll build my defense around James over TJ 8 days a week
Cuz that guy can jump a hurdle, slip outta the boa constrictor’s tight grip and still go make winning plays that matter.

TJ’s game is the perfect compliment for NHALS but doesn’t translate to meaningful games until he proves he too can jump a hurdle and slip the Boa. So sure pay the man if ya subscribe to the current standard he AND Mike and setting for themselves.