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If the HC isn’t smart enough to use a 40m+ player to his advantage should HC be given a 40m+ player to squander?
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If the HC isn’t smart enough to use a 40m+ player to his advantage should HC be given a 40m+ player to squander?
Bingo...
When does player performance get injected in your assessment???
All players play the game and coaches coach but at some point, both the player and coach must elevate their production. It cannot be one sided...
When you look at the big picture (fantasy football included) - players will make "in game decisions" that directly impact the outcome of a play and/or the entire game. Prime example that many griped about - George's subpar blocking on Warren's stretch run play. Was it because he was thinking about his personal safety or was it something else?
I'm certain every game has multiple plays like that. Players not executing at 100% so the desired coaching impact is not reached. And this can be inverted to coaching. Failure to adjust results in a loss. Period.
So I'm saying it's this - the Steelers have the money to make TJ the highest paid at his position. Fact. If he gets the deal - does he play like a 40+ million dollar player on every play including the playoffs where he tends to disappear???
I vote "yes - pay him" because Herbig is not TJ and losing him removes any chance of even sniffing the playoffs this year.
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The best coaches exploit the talents of their players especially their best players. They have to put their players in the very best position to succeed and that comes with schemes.
I watched in pain in that playoff game against the Ravens as TJ kept crashing into the backfield tackling Derrick Henry even though he didn’t have the ball. What the hell sort of scheme is that??
This team pure and simple lacks creativity, imagination, and does not put their players in the best position to be successful.
Look at how Minkah has been used the past several seasons. Playing him so far off the ball you made him ineffective. Watt on the other hand is easy to defend against when you don’t blitz and he’s getting double and triple teamed. That’s on Coaching and bad schemes.
These are not Tomlin bashing posts by posters here. It wouldn’t matter who was coaching when most here continue to see the same results over and over.
You can bring in new players but if you’re going to employ the same lazy schemes and poor coaching and little to no adjustments then all you’re doing is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
This organization needs so badly to hit the reset and clean house and bring in young innovative head coach candidates that cam bring this team jnto today’s NFL.
All your successful teams spend their money on offense and not defense like we do.
This is four straight years of being the highest paid defense in the league. What has that gotten us at the expense of poor offenses that can’t put points to compete with the best teams.
A very stupid philosophy and it starts with ownership.
I watched in pain in that playoff game against the Ravens as TJ kept crashing into the backfield tackling Derrick Henry even though he didn’t have the ball. What the hell sort of scheme is that??
This team pure and simple lacks creativity, imagination, and does not put their players in the best position to be successful.
Look at how Minkah has been used the past several seasons. Playing him so far off the ball you made him ineffective. Watt on the other hand is easy to defend against when you don’t blitz and he’s getting double and triple teamed. That’s on Coaching and bad schemes.
These are not Tomlin bashing posts by posters here. It wouldn’t matter who was coaching when most here continue to see the same results over and over.
You can bring in new players but if you’re going to employ the same lazy schemes and poor coaching and little to no adjustments then all you’re doing is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
This organization needs so badly to hit the reset and clean house and bring in young innovative head coach candidates that cam bring this team jnto today’s NFL.
All your successful teams spend their money on offense and not defense like we do.
This is four straight years of being the highest paid defense in the league. What has that gotten us at the expense of poor offenses that can’t put points to compete with the best teams.
A very stupid philosophy and it starts with ownership.
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No but they will anyhow. They are going to field the best team they can for him to win 10 games and get their dicks knocked off in Wild Card round regardless of what you or I think.
One thing you definitely run is RAT twists that confuse the double teams especially with an ILB blitz to that side. If a team was blocking two they should have blitzed the B gap relentlessly to Watt's side. They'd have got a ton of free hitters.
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None of them have a hard cap, especially the NBA. They have two luxury tax aprons that teams pay extra to the league if they go into. It's how they hand out deals like what SGA just got, 4 years, $285m, all guaranteed. That's $71.25m per year, or nearly 50% of the salary cap on one player. Then they also gave Chet Holmgren a 5 year, $239m contract...
The NFL and NHL are the only professional leagues with a hard cap. NHL contracts are, however, fully guaranteed.
But I like hard cap. Teams that are smart with it and draft well did well. Which is the way it should be. This **** the Steelers are doing now is not their DNA. It's trash. It's Shades trying to hold onto a narrative. Every team must rebuild. It's like death and taxes.
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I don't have an nba team since the Sonics disappeared and still I know who Olynyk is, big depth guy with long shot capacity. He will help your team
OK good debate here. What if we swapped 5 years of prime Tj and put him in prime years of Harrison and vice versa. Do Steelers win SB 43...do Steelers have any playoff success the last 5 years?? I think basically same results both ways. Harrison had advantage of Lebeau and less Tomlin defense influence. TJ has had Austin recently and more Tomlin defense influence.
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Watt is not the Watt of 5 years ago......you are paying now for past seasons. Let him play out his contract. Franchise him if need be...and let it all shake out in 3 years....
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All true
They can afford him and do stand a MUCH better chance of making playoffs with TJ than they do without him.
Since they are obviously trying to get that elusive playoff win this year we know he won’t be traded…unless a VERY desperate team blows them outta the water with an overpayment. A very unlikely scenario.
It’s just a matter of time before the Steelers do what they do and overpay for past performances putting a higher value than necessary on a player because they won’t play hardball.
Kelly Olynyk is a Canadian decent depth player who is getting pretty old.
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Unfortunately the league has moved on from guys like James that hit everything that moved and hit hard. James would struggle in this pussified NFL.
This version of the NFL favors finesse guys like TJ.
My point was that James made the greatest play in SB history because he overcame schemes and the play call through superlative instincts. He wasn’t supposed to be there…he was because he’s great and made a game defining play. Sometimes great players just have to make great plays for their team to succeed. He overcame the play call, made the play and (won the SB imo). Without that singular play it’s an entirely different ballgame and likely another Mikey heartbreaker.
LeBeau was hamstrung by Mike’s fingerprints on the D too, not as much as Austin…but make no mistake that D was LeBeau light due to Mike’s influence.
I just keep waiting and waiting for TJ to show up big on a big stage like big players do…still waiting. Maybe this year?
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You Nailed it!
I liken the whole NHALS streak they are soooo attached to (in all its meaningless glory) to that dumb azz 5 catches 50 yards meaningless streak they tried to keep going at all costs for AB.
It seems the best course of action sans getting blown outta the water by an absurd trade deal would be have him play this out and tag him next year…unless they do something stupid and go win a SB with Rodgers.
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I love Cartland Clarke & Sophie Cunningham !!!!
The WNBA is a mess and subsidized by the NBA to the tune of 40+ million a season.
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1st (obviously), possible 3rd & 6th.
His age and HUGE contract will hinder most teams.
You might loose a draft pick in the process as well, like maybe a 4th.
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You could watch the last “playoff” game and see the scheme was the problem. TJ was directed to take the RB no matter what, with no improvised actions. That is 1000% on the coach, not the player because TJ did his assignment every time as directed.
while I am not trying to be an apologist, Harrison didn’t see the continual multi defenders deployed to stop him. They just held him every play too.
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I like the hard cap too, it's the only way small market teams can truly be competitive. When you can spend and spend and spend, and the only punishment is you have to pay a luxury tax, larger market teams can afford more. It's dumb. The problem with the NFL and their system is the guaranteed contracts...why are they the only league that doesn't have them? You can't claim injury and too violent of a sport, because of the NHL...
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If it were just 1 playoff game sure-his big game record is worse than Tomlin’s and we give him endless grief
Eventually he has to show up big or he doesn’t really deserve top money imho
I get it tho, he’s one of the few nice things the Steelers have had for a while so people will defend him at any cost…Steeler fans are a loyal bunch.
James definitely saw his share of double teams as well, not as many as TJ because it’s hard for two guys to hold him at the same time and the only way they were even slowing James down was by holding because of his leverage and strength.
Harrison's best season once LeBeau left was 5.5 sacks, so no, Harrison didn't really make **** happen.
You don't find it odd that two future HOF guys Watt/Heyward have great regular seasons, but once they get into the playoffs they do nothing while playing for a supposed defensive coach in Tomlin? You have guys that use to play vs the Steelers saying they do the same thing all the time, Ben himself said that Tomlin never had a plan B. The good coaches with the good teams will and have taken advantage of that.
Go back to the pathetic loss to Tebow, that's where the rumblings started about how the defense played so soft and not aggressive in that game.
The game in Buffalo in 2020 always sticks out in my mind, Buffalo was winning 9-7 at the half, going into halftime they interviewed McDerrmott and he said we have to change somethings, we have alot of adjustments to make. Tomlin says we just have to keep doing what were doing and execute. Buffalo comes out in the second half and looks like an entirely different offense, alot of quick across the middle stuff to Diggs, they scored 2 3rd qtr TD's game over.
Like I've said in other posts, if we're losing playoff games 24-21, or the games are close then I'd put more at the feet of the players, but when every single playoff loss over the last 8 seasons (where every single player has changed but Heyward, and every coach has changed but the HC) has looked exactly the same, we come out look flat as hell and get outscored something like 84-10 in the first quarter combined and the games are over by halftime. Then yeah most of that blame is falling directly on the Head Coach.