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Kaboly says Steelers Listening to trade offers for Watt

Watt is not the Watt of 5 years ago......you are paying now for past seasons.
I just really don’t know this to be true.

I would also like to add they had no problem letting Minkah go. For me they would have no problem letting whoever go at this point if they saw a drop off in play. Or they wouldn’t give a top tier contract.

I don’t see his play as dropping off not sure the Steelers do either.
 
One of the most comical statements I’ve read all YEAR

Thanks for the laugh bro

Needed that
No problem stats can be comical sometimes.

Are we talking about the James Harrison that quit on Mike Tomlin?
 
I just really don’t know this to be true.

I would also like to add they had no problem letting Minkah go. For me they would have no problem letting whoever go at this point if they saw a drop off in play. Or they wouldn’t give a top tier contract.

I don’t see his play as dropping off not sure the Steelers do either.

Lead the league in forced fumbles, still had 11.5 sacks (and if that's a "down" year, ok then), and had the focus of every team, every week...more so than every other year. I don't see an issue with Watt, I see an issue with the rest of the DL and LB core. Hopefully the new blood can help with that, but the others have to step up more when they are 1 on 1 because Watt is getting doubled and chipped every play...
 
James Harrison is one of the greatest Steelers to play the game.

He is also a very unique individual who refused his boy’s participation trophy’s, gave the”Rog” the biggest finger possible, took naps in team meeting in retaliation of being lied to,………….

Yes, it is possible he quit on the field of play, or just lowered his intensity while combined with age.



Salute the nation
 
No problem stats can be comical sometimes.

Are we talking about the James Harrison that quit on Mike Tomlin?
I love me some Debo, but I don't think people realize that he didn't have the sack numbers his "legend" has indicated. Only 3 years with double digit sacks, 16, 10, 10.5. In 15 years, 34 FF, Watt has 33, in 15 years 8 INT, Watt has 7, in 15 years 25 passes defensed, Watt has 50, in 15 years 84.5 sacks, Watt has 108.

We love the nasty demeanor, we love the aura, we love the legend but Harrison "the feared" doesn't even compare to Watt.
 
No problem stats can be comical sometimes.

Are we talking about the James Harrison that quit on Mike Tomlin?

Lmao
You should take this comic show on the road
You’re in rare form

Yup the same guy responsible for literally the only successful season he EVER had by overcoming him and going off script

What a quitter- lmfao

That shyte is rich

I’ll take his post season success and production on my team 8 days a week and twice on Sundays
 
I love me some Debo, but I don't think people realize that he didn't have the sack numbers his "legend" has indicated. Only 3 years with double digit sacks, 16, 10, 10.5. In 15 years, 34 FF, Watt has 33, in 15 years 8 INT, Watt has 7, in 15 years 25 passes defensed, Watt has 50, in 15 years 84.5 sacks, Watt has 108.

We love the nasty demeanor, we love the aura, we love the legend but Harrison "the feared" doesn't even compare to Watt.

Unless you’re talking about games that really matter
And then all he did was things Watt has yet to even sniff

Watt is a great player, in the regular season
Guess that’s all that matters for NHALS culture

Let’s not forget the career archs and have selective memory. Watt can fill up a stat sheet in the regular season, when it matters most….not so much…that’s when a closer, a guy with nerve and guts takes over and brings home the bacon

And mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I love BACON
 
Lmao
You should take this comic show on the road
You’re in rare form

Yup the same guy responsible for literally the only successful season he EVER had by overcoming him and going off script

What a quitter- lmfao

That shyte is rich

I’ll take his post season success and production on my team 8 days a week and twice on Sundays
Again, Harrison's great seasons/games came with LeBeau running the defense, that's the difference.
Everyone is bringing up Watt, but ignoring the fact Heyward has played in more post season games and has 1 sack.
 
Unless you’re talking about games that really matter
And then all he did was things Watt has yet to even sniff

Watt is a great player, in the regular season
Guess that’s all that matters for NHALS culture

Let’s not forget the career archs and have selective memory. Watt can fill up a stat sheet in the regular season, when it matters most….not so much…that’s when a closer, a guy with nerve and guts takes over and brings home the bacon

And mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I love BACON
Lamar Woodley had 11 sacks games that really matter.
 
Again, Harrison's great seasons/games came with LeBeau running the defense, that's the difference.
Everyone is bringing up Watt, but ignoring the fact Heyward has played in more post season games and has 1 sack.
I completely agree with that. I have been consistent in saying pretty much all of the Steelers biggest players have not shown up in big games. But this thread is about Watt.
 
I completely agree with that. I have been consistent in saying pretty much all of the Steelers biggest players have not shown up in big games. But this thread is about Watt.
I'm just bringing up Heyward because two HOF players suddenly can't play in the playoffs? Or is it the fact the opponent knows exactly what we are doing? How else can you explain coming out flat and your defense just getting destroyed for 6 straight playoff games? That's scheme, that's the other team knowing what you're doing and knowing you'll make no adjustments.
 
Coaching does indeed have A LOT to do with it

By the same token, if you are THE BEST non QB and seeking to be paid that way, prove it…overcome some **** coaching like the best player in the league would.

Did James Harrison play under Mike and his predictable schemes, sure did…but he made **** happen anyway.

At some point even under such mediocre coaching ya just have to make a freaking play
Exactly....Players play & Coaches Coach...
 
I'm just bringing up Heyward because two HOF players suddenly can't play in the playoffs? Or is it the fact the opponent knows exactly what we are doing? How else can you explain coming out flat and your defense just getting destroyed for 6 straight playoff games? That's scheme, that's the other team knowing what you're doing and knowing you'll make no adjustments.
I will disagree on one point. This team has been very good at adjustments in the second half recently. They are the best in the league in the 3rd quarter. The problem has been the first quarter. The only exception being the playoff game against the Chiefs where we started hot on defense but the lack of anything from the offense killed us. I have said it before and I will say it again, the defense has carried us to the playoffs time and time again only to be let down by a feckless offense and is too beat up to carry them by the time they get there.
 
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I will disagree on one point. This team has been very good at adjustments in the second half recently. They are the best in the league in the 3rd quarter. The problem has been the first quarter. The only exception being the playoff game against the Chiefs where we started hot on defense but the lack of anything from the offense killed us. I have said it before and I will say it again, the defense has carried us to the playoffs time and time again only to be let down by a feckless offense and is to beat up to carry them by the time they get there.
The past two seasons the defense hasn't carried them, 2023 the offense had back to back 30 point games in 2 of the final 3 games in must win games, and this past year the D was totally embarrassed in that 3 game stretch vs Balt, Philly, KC.

The D should be carrying the team, it's the highest paid, or one of the highest paid in the NFL.
 
Unless you’re talking about games that really matter
And then all he did was things Watt has yet to even sniff

Watt is a great player, in the regular season
Guess that’s all that matters for NHALS culture

Let’s not forget the career archs and have selective memory. Watt can fill up a stat sheet in the regular season, when it matters most….not so much…that’s when a closer, a guy with nerve and guts takes over and brings home the bacon

And mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I love BACON

And the team around them doesn't matter in the success of the individual player correct?

I mean, LeBeau even said that he let guys freelance based on what THEY saw on the field. And that's what Harrison did on that SB play. He saw everything on film. It's great that he did that in the SuperBowl, incredible even...But trying to downplay what Watt has done for the Steelers because the teams he's been on have not been as talented (both players and coaches) as someone like Harrison is laughable.

LeBeau>Austin, Butler, that alone makes the LARGEST difference in the two, then you add in the players around Harrison. We are talking about some of the most dominant defenses in the last 25 years. Watt hasn't had that luxury. Just look at Watt's record setting year, the Steelers were 9-7-1, and got blown out in the first round by the Chiefs 42-21, and this was Watt's best playoff performance (given he's only had 4 games). So again, judging Watt by post season numbers doesn't make any sense at all.
 
Coryea is correct here boys! Watt,Heyward, Highsmith just don’t forget how to play once playoffs begin.
Nope, they are going against the best offenses, QBs, and OCs that completly out scheme the Tomlin defensive scheme.
Tomlin and Austin are completely overmatched when playoff games begin. They put their defensive players in the worst positions to be successful,
Ala TJ crashing and tackling Derrick Henry when often times he didn’t have the ball. Brilliant!
Tomlin’s defensive schemes simply cannot matchup with the premier offenses and their OCs.
Austin is just playing sidecar and will most likely be next years scapegoat.
 
This THREAD has even me depressed...Going to grab some beer
Steve, what can I tell ya! Don’t allow yourself to set your expectations too high here because you will only be let down again.
Most true blue Steelers fans and I’m not implying that you’re not one, but we’ve seen this act play out so many times before and know what to expect.
I’ve been following this organization since the days of Buddy Parker and Bobby Lane when the old, old man Art Sr. Ran the show and although he was a great guy, he was a joke as an owner.
Things didn’t improve until young Dan took over and Chas Noll was hired. Guys like those two, Billy Nunn, Blesto that’s what made the Steelers great.
This current Rooney is nothing like the younger version of his father. He’s more like the grandfather who allowed his HCs to run his franchise into the ground.
Steve, I think you need something stronger than beer to get you through this season. Could be looong season.
 
I'm just bringing up Heyward because two HOF players suddenly can't play in the playoffs? Or is it the fact the opponent knows exactly what we are doing? How else can you explain coming out flat and your defense just getting destroyed for 6 straight playoff games? That's scheme, that's the other team knowing what you're doing and knowing you'll make no adjustments.
While those are all valid points, this is the NFL. I don't think you really fool anybody that much. After the first couple of series, there is a pretty good idea of what the other team wants to do. So I think at the end of the day, your guys gotta beat their guys more often, you win. If not, you lose. I think that is right overwhelmingly most of the time.

The exception to that is every once and a while coaches come up with a game plan monumentally stupid like the Baltimore playoff game. I remember all the teams that thought it'd be a great idea to blitz Ben. After listening to the Williamson breakdown and while I really hold to the idea that the Steelers best players have to produce better in big games, they may get a pass for that Baltimore game.
 
While those are all valid points, this is the NFL. I don't think you really fool anybody that much. After the first couple of series, there is a pretty good idea of what the other team wants to do. So I think at the end of the day, your guys gotta beat their guys more often, you win. If not, you lose. I think that is right overwhelmingly most of the time.

The exception to that is every once and a while coaches come up with a game plan monumentally stupid like the Baltimore playoff game. I remember all the teams that thought it'd be a great idea to blitz Ben. After listening to the Williamson breakdown and while I really hold to the idea that the Steelers best players have to produce better in big games, they may get a pass for that Baltimore game.
It's not about doing something they've never seen. So when a team is doubling Watt, and chipping him, it's on him to beat those 3 guys more so than your DC or HC to start dialing up some overloads from the opposite side, or blitzes up the middle to force that team to pull a guy away from Watt to pick up blitzes?

How about when our ILB's are always covering the other teams WR, it's more on that LB to cover the WR, when that's almost impossible, more so than the DC or HC changing up your scheme personnel to get a DB on that WR?

How many times did you see Woodley or Harrison chipped then doubled? Hell go back and count how many times there were just doubled, it was very seldom, because teams couldn't afford to do that because a blitz could be coming from anywhere at any time.
 
I will never belittle Harrison's talent. He was a dominant edge. And his value as UFA to start. Probably HOF if his career was longer is unmatched. But to me Watt is a much more dynamic player. Same with his brother. I take TJ over any recent edge I can think of.
 
It's not about doing something they've never seen. So when a team is doubling Watt, and chipping him, it's on him to beat those 3 guys more so than your DC or HC to start dialing up some overloads from the opposite side, or blitzes up the middle to force that team to pull a guy away from Watt to pick up blitzes?

How about when our ILB's are always covering the other teams WR, it's more on that LB to cover the WR, when that's almost impossible, more so than the DC or HC changing up your scheme personnel to get a DB on that WR?

How many times did you see Woodley or Harrison chipped then doubled? Hell go back and count how many times there were just doubled, it was very seldom, because teams couldn't afford to do that because a blitz could be coming from anywhere at any time.
Yeah...those are all great points. I hope that changes if Slay and Ramsey still have it.
 
The past two seasons the defense hasn't carried them, 2023 the offense had back to back 30 point games in 2 of the final 3 games in must win games, and this past year the D was totally embarrassed in that 3 game stretch vs Balt, Philly, KC.

The D should be carrying the team, it's the highest paid, or one of the highest paid in the NFL.
Even with those games we don't sniff the playoffs without this defense. Respectfully I don't think the bad games with 0 offensive support mean they didn't carry us most of the rest of the season. In fact, the amount of the load they had to shoulder to get us to that point is the problem. If they aren't perfect, we normally lose. If the offenses can't at least hold onto the ball let alone score the defense is going to eventually fail. If I remember correctly, we had some injury issues and a severe lack of depth in the middle in 2023. That has been addressed. last year it was the front 5 that were banged up and tired with DL being particularly thin. That has also been addressed, hopefully successfully. Even so if the offense can't provide some leads and some ball control it won't matter.
 
Even with those games we don't sniff the playoffs without this defense. Respectfully I don't think the bad games with 0 offensive support mean they didn't carry us most of the rest of the season. In fact, the amount of the load they had to shoulder to get us to that point is the problem. If they aren't perfect, we normally lose. If the offenses can't at least hold onto the ball let alone score the defense is going to eventually fail. If I remember correctly, we had some injury issues and a severe lack of depth in the middle in 2023. That has been addressed. last year it was the front 5 that were banged up and tired with DL being particularly thin. That has also been addressed, hopefully successfully. Even so if the offense can't provide some leads and some ball control it won't matter.
Oh the defense has definitely carried us the majority of the time since Ben left, that's for sure, I agree it's been the much better unit.
In 2017, that defense didn't have to carry the team, the offense scored like 30+points per game over the last 7 weeks of the season, and that defense still got it's *** handed to them by an offense led by Blake Bortles.

The defense being run down or tired has nothing to do with Watt being told to just ignore Lamar and just go hit the RB every play this past post season vs Baltimore.
 
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