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Holy ****, we got our TE!!! Eric Ebron signs with Steelers

insaniti said:
I dunno. Maybe the coaches helped out McDonald and can do the same with Ebron. It's not like he just showed up and the uniform made his hands better.

If a TE joins another team with a pension for dropping passes, sure not really relevant. But the fact that McDonald can't to OUR team with that issue, and it hasn't been an issue... Seems kind of relevant to me
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So why didn't they help Moncrief? There is always an example of anything anyone wants to put out there. But that doesn't make it accurate for every case. So I see no similarity between McDonald and Ebron. Also if you want to compare QBs McDonald played with Kaepperdick and Blaine Gabbert. Ebron played with Stafford, Luck and whoever the QB was last year when he decided to shut it down after 12 games.
 
Vader said:
What? Stafford has a career 62.5 Comp. % (When Ebron was there it never dipped below 65.7), 41,000 yards, a 2.4 int % and a 4.5 TD %.

Seriously some of you guys are just odd. People defend Winston and his horrible numbers but rag on Stafford? WTF? Compare Stafford to Ben and see what you get.

Ben has played 5 more seasons but the numbers are close. Ben has less than 2% high comp. and he has less than 4% higher passer rating. But Ben has also played with a much better team with much better talent.
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His numbers were horrible with Stafford?

I am odd but you don't see a TE depth type of upgrade.K

I thought overall he had decent TE production, just one blowup year.

And no I still don't see Stafford being the QB Big Ben is. I see Stafford as a good QB, I see Big Ben as an elite QB.


Hope you aren't shocked when he has a better season with Big Ben, I won't be...................
 
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Vader said:
So why didn't they help Moncrief? There is always an example of anything anyone wants to put out there. But that doesn't make it accurate for every case. So I see no similarity between McDonald and Ebron. Also if you want to compare QBs McDonald played with Kaepperdick and Blaine Gabbert. Ebron played with Stafford, Luck and whoever the QB was last year when he decided to shut it down after 12 games.
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Mongrief had a significant finger injury.
 
Drink IRON City said:
squid kid, BEN has a tendency to RAISE players up where as STAFFORD does NOT. Statistically speaking, you can have Stafford, football player, I'll take BEN.




GOSH dang BEN.







salute the nation
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What has Stafford accomplished? I am supposed to be enamored with a fantasy league QB?


Statistically trying to compare the two isn't seeing the whole picture.

That 0 and 3 playoff record is the more accurate picture.
 
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slashsteel said:
What has Stafford accomplished? I am supposed to be enamored with a fantasy league QB?


Statistically trying to compare the two isn't seeing the whole picture.

That 0 and 3 playoff record is the more accurate picture.
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3 visits to the playoffs and never once winning his division.
 
slashsteel said:
What has Stafford accomplished? I am supposed to be enamored with a fantasy league QB?


Statistically trying to compare the two isn't seeing the whole picture.

That 0 and 3 playoff record is the more accurate picture.
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And Winston has accomplished what? But almost everyone wants him here ASAP.

So stats don't matter with Stafford but they do matter (13 TDs in 2018) for Ebron? What has Stafford accomplished? How about 41,000 yards with similar stats to Ben while playing for one of the worst franchises in the NFL? But hey he didn't throw 30 Ints so I can see where some can't stand him.....

Then we have people on here that want to compare Winston to Bradshaw... You want to compare Stafford to Bradshaw? People sometimes wear blk and gold glasses so much it's unbelievable. My guess is if Ben retired and Stafford came here people would change their tune so fast it'd make your head spin. Same thing would happen if Ebron went to the clowns. People would be laughing at them for paying $12 million for a guy coming off of 2 ankle surgeries and quitting on his previous team.
 
Vader said:
And Winston has accomplished what? But almost everyone wants him here ASAP.

So stats don't matter with Stafford but they do matter (13 TDs in 2018) for Ebron? What has Stafford accomplished? How about 41,000 yards with similar stats to Ben while playing for one of the worst franchises in the NFL? But hey he didn't throw 30 Ints so I can see where some can't stand him.....

Then we have people on here that want to compare Winston to Bradshaw... You want to compare Stafford to Bradshaw? People sometimes wear blk and gold glasses so much it's unbelievable. My guess is if Ben retired and Stafford came here people would change their tune so fast it'd make your head spin. Same thing would happen if Ebron went to the clowns. People would be laughing at them for paying $12 million for a guy coming off of 2 ankle surgeries and quitting on his previous team.
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I have no desire to bring in Winston.. Stafford is who he is until he accomplishes more. I have always been high on playoff and SB wins. Dude we haven't been in the playoffs what in three years? Don't be so sure Stafford would make a difference.
 
slashsteel said:
What has Stafford accomplished? I am supposed to be enamored with a fantasy league QB?


Statistically trying to compare the two isn't seeing the whole picture.

That 0 and 3 playoff record is the more accurate picture.
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dude, i get it. you want to convince yourself that ebron is the second coming.
could he put up his best numbers to date with ben? he could.
what makes you enamored with ebron?

what has stafford accomplished?
well, he put up great numbers qbing the worst franchise in the nfl.
look how he raised megatron.
he raised kenny galloday
raised golden tate
raised marvin jones
playoffs? you going to blame stafford for not winning in the playoffs? he's on the worst team.
 
Drink IRON City said:
squid kid, BEN has a tendency to RAISE players up where as STAFFORD does NOT. Statistically speaking, you can have Stafford, football player, I'll take BEN.




GOSH dang BEN.







salute the nation
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really?
look how he raised megatron.
he raised kenny galloday
raised golden tate
raised marvin jones
 
slashsteel said:
What has Stafford accomplished? I am supposed to be enamored with a fantasy league QB?


Statistically trying to compare the two isn't seeing the whole picture.

That 0 and 3 playoff record is the more accurate picture.
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I am! I would love to take Stafford .
 
squidkid said:
dude, i get it. you want to convince yourself that ebron is the second coming.
could he put up his best numbers to date with ben? he could.
what makes you enamored with ebron?

what has stafford accomplished?
well, he put up great numbers qbing the worst franchise in the nfl.
look how he raised megatron.
he raised kenny galloday
raised golden tate
raised marvin jones
playoffs? you going to blame stafford for not winning in the playoffs? he's on the worst team.
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Yeah none of his no division titles and no playoff victories are his fault.


Again he has accomplished NOTHING.. We don't play the game for fantasy football kid. We play for playoff victories and SB victories.

I never said Ebron was the second coming of anything.

But he damn sure isn't a scrub and is damn sure a depth upgrade. And for the price he cost that is ******* ok.

Some of yinz whine about the stupidest things.
 
slashsteel said:
Yeah none of his no division titles and no playoff victories are his fault.


Again he has accomplished NOTHING.. We don't play the game for fantasy football kid. We play for playoff victories and SB victories.

I never said Ebron was the second coming of anything.

But he damn sure isn't a scrub and is damn sure a depth upgrade. And for the price he cost that is ******* ok.

Some of yinz whine about the stupidest things.
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And again what exactly has Ebron done? Stafford is a much better QB than Ebron is a TE. Stafford isn't a scrub and is easily one of the best QBs in the league. But hey if more ints are your game then I'm sure Jamis can fix you right up.
 
Vader said:
And again what exactly has Ebron done? Stafford is a much better QB than Ebron is a TE. Stafford isn't a scrub and is easily one of the best QBs in the league. But hey if more ints are your game then I'm sure Jamis can fix you right up.
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Not sure why you continually bring a QB I didn't want up. Big time QBs make plays in big time moments. Why is this convo converting to a QB VS a TE anyways? Ebron for a second TE option his stats aren't bad. They are decent. I am not advocating Ebron as our starter but you are blowing smoke for Stafford suggesting he could step in for Ben and not miss a beat. That just sounds silly to me. He has many of opportunity and has come up short every time. To compare a HOF QB to one who has done jack **** is silly. But tell me that Ebron hasn't done enough to be a backup upgrade and I will ask you what you are smoking.
 
Also Stafford has a 87.7 QB rating in the playoffs with a 63.2% comp. Also lets look at the playoff games:

2011 NO: The offense scored 28 points. The defense gave up 45
2014 Dallas: Stafford was 28 of 42 for 323 yards 1 TD and 1 Int. He had a 87.7 rating. The defense gave up a 4th qtr lead. They were leading 20 to 14 going into the 4th. Romo eat their defense alive for a 114 rating.
2016 Seattle: They were blown out by seattle. Stafford only threw for 205 but Wilson only threw for 224. Stafford had 0 TDs and 0 ints. The Seahawks dominated on the ground. They held the ball for almost 37 minutes. They ran the ball 38 times for 177 yards.

So it isn't like Stafford played poorly. Ben has had some clunkers in the playoffs. But Ben has a real team around him. The Lions don't. The idea that the Lions didn't win the playoff is because of Stafford is ridiculous.
 
slashsteel said:
Not sure why you continually bring a QB I didn't want up. Big time QBs make plays in big time moments. Why is this convo converting to a QB VS a TE anyways? Ebron for a second TE option his stats aren't bad. They are decent. I am not advocating Ebron as our starter but you are blowing smoke for Stafford suggesting he could step in for Ben and not miss a beat. That just sounds silly to me. He has many of opportunity and has come up short every time. To compare a HOF QB to one who has done jack **** is silly. But tell me that Ebron hasn't done enough to be a backup upgrade and I will ask you what you are smoking.
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You're the one smoking. You really know nothing about Stafford but are fine putting the blame on him for Ebron's play. i use Winston because people on here wanted him. It's a double standard. Yea, a guy with similar numbers to Ben sucks but the guy that throws 30 picks in a year? Sign him UP!!!

If you can't see that Stafford is a good QB then that's on you. Put him on a real team and he's light it up. He's done great for being in Detroit. Put Ben in Detroit and see how he does.
 
Vader said:
You're the one smoking. You really know nothing about Stafford but are fine putting the blame on him for Ebron's play. i use Winston because people on here wanted him. It's a double standard. Yea, a guy with similar numbers to Ben sucks but the guy that throws 30 picks in a year? Sign him UP!!!

If you can't see that Stafford is a good QB then that's on you. Put him on a real team and he's light it up. He's done great for being in Detroit. Put Ben in Detroit and see how he does.
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I know what I told you about Stafford he hasn't accomplished ****> You are hanging heavy on stats which is coachish we know that isn't what defines a good QB compared to a great one. I think Stafford is a ok QB nothing special. Not in Ben's league of accomplishments nowhere even close. I think you are really downplaying Ben who would do well anywhere. A tough accurate clutch QB who can scramble and make SB winning TDs.. Again Stafford to Ebron's statistics wasn't horrible seeing you want to hang so much on stats. Let us dismiss two years ago with a top QB Ebron lights it up. And the year Ebron had 700 yards in Detroit . What was it like 4 out of 5 seasons with 500 plus yards? Last season he went on IR with injury which obviously factored in not making it 5 for 5.

I for the life of me are not seeing what the displeasure could be with this low cost solidly for the most part productive TE.

We have two TEs now that can help move the chains on a team that lost a shitload in WR production.

And if he for some reason gets injured and doesn't work out (yes that is the only reason he wouldn't work out) then it was a low cost rental.

You are caught up with trying to be right here and are debating over I don't know why.

But the reality is this is a good signing, as good as we could have hoped for with the way our team runs the cap so tight up against the vest.

BTW his blocking ratings have risen so he has improved in that area as well.
 
Slash, Great post and I totally hear yaz. STAFFORD hasn't done jack ****. His stats are blown up a little due to him playing from behind. He is 69-82 for a whopping .457 win percentage. ( BEN 157-79.... .665). WHO ever thin bus Stafford is greater than BEN needs a head examination.

AS FOR EBRON, couldn't aske for a better situation, including the money spent / tied to, for a back up TE who happens to upgrade what HE is replacing. NO bitching on my end and BEN will make him better then Mathew did, provided they both aren't injured along the way.


HELL yes, we got rid an upgraded TE.






Salute the nation
 
Vader said:
You're the one smoking. You really know nothing about Stafford but are fine putting the blame on him for Ebron's play. i use Winston because people on here wanted him. It's a double standard. Yea, a guy with similar numbers to Ben sucks but the guy that throws 30 picks in a year? Sign him UP!!!

If you can't see that Stafford is a good QB then that's on you. Put him on a real team and he's light it up. He's done great for being in Detroit. Put Ben in Detroit and see how he does.
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why is it so hard for some people just to admit they were wrong?
it would be much easier than saying stafford and luck are 'iffy' qbs and then move the goal posts to ask what stafford has accomplished in the playoffs.
 
Drink IRON City said:
Slash, Great post and I totally hear yaz. STAFFORD hasn't done jack ****. His stats are blown up a little due to him playing from behind. He is 69-82 for a whopping .457 win percentage. ( BEN 157-79.... .665). WHO ever thin bus Stafford is greater than BEN needs a head examination.

AS FOR EBRON, couldn't aske for a better situation, including the money spent / tied to, for a back up TE who happens to upgrade what HE is replacing. NO bitching on my end and BEN will make him better then Mathew did, provided they both aren't injured along the way.


HELL yes, we got rid an upgraded TE.






Salute the nation
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you too are missing the point.
how exactly is stafford and luck 'iffy' qbs?
wouldnt ebrons stats be blown up too?
how has ebron done jackshit?
 
squidkid said:
you too are missing the point.
how exactly is stafford and luck 'iffy' qbs?
wouldnt ebrons stats be blown up too?
how has ebron done jackshit?
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It was already explained. Reread everything. In the event you still don't grasp it. Then move on. BTW this is a debate so nobody was "proven" anything.

You tell yourself whatever you need to to make yourself feel better.

So here is facts.


Stafford is a good regular season QB but not good enough to lead his team to division titles or playoff wins.
Ebron statistically has been a decent TE improved his blocking last year. Like all players coming off injury is a risk, but a low cost risk upgrade at TE number 2.

We can debate until we turn green but this is the basic facts.
 
FordFairLane said:
I looked at Enron’s last 56 games and averaged the numbers. If Ebron has 53 catches, 591 yards, and 6 tds I personally will call him a good free agent signing. Let’s hope he has an even better year.


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ENRON. So now he has character issues. Great!
 
squidkid said:
you too are missing the point.
how exactly is stafford and luck 'iffy' qbs?
wouldnt ebrons stats be blown up too?
how has ebron done jackshit?
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READ post 171

good luck




Salute the nation
 
slashsteel said:
It was already explained. Reread everything. In the event you still don't grasp it. Then move on. BTW this is a debate so nobody was "proven" anything.

You tell yourself whatever you need to to make yourself feel better.

So here is facts.


Stafford is a good regular season QB but not good enough to lead his team to division titles or playoff wins.
Ebron statistically has been a decent TE improved his blocking last year. Like all players coming off injury is a risk, but a low cost risk upgrade at TE number 2.

We can debate until we turn green but this is the basic facts.
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no, nothing was explained regarding how edbron would have been better if it wasnt for stafford and luckl being iffy qbs
making or winning in the playoffs dont change their stats(which are better than bens).
i still dont grasp it.
please explain to me how those two qbs not making/winning playoff games or division titles negatively affected ebrons stats.
stafford is good enough to lead his team
ebron is a decent te. i havent seen or heard anyone say that he improved as a blocker last year, except you. ebron is a risk and an upgrade. i actually see him as a #1 te
we can debate, but your interpretation of what a fact is, is wrong
 
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