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if that happens someone should buy you a beer (it won't be me cause I live too far away)
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So you didn't mean to blame him for the draft pick but you wanted to make it known that he has input... ok
This was the point I talked about first. So you admit Tomlin is responsible but Haley had a hand in it to.. maybe... because you have no evidence at all that Haley wanted Archer or any other RB at all. Got it. Crystal clear.
Apparently, the Titans are thinking outside the box with this consensus building draft strategy ... they are even going to rely on their Asst. HC/Defense's years of experience and allow him a say in the drafting of defensive players.
http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2015/02/22/titans-dick-lebeau-nfl-ken-whisenhunt-ruston-webster/23858185/
http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/nfl/titans/2015/02/22/titans-dick-lebeau-nfl-ken-whisenhunt-ruston-webster/23858185/
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Which is exactly why Donahoe wasn't allowed to leave. He didn't draft Troy Edwards.. oh wait.... The entire power struggle between Cowher and Donahoe was draft related. Even in that "clipped" interview he says "Cowher did say that if the head coach doesn't want a specific player then the team isn't going to draft him". Sounds like the HC has a lot of say doesn't it?
Again nobody is saying there isn't input. I also noticed Bill said nothing about coordinators. He mentioned the FO and scouts.
BTW this article was written specifically to take blame away from Tomlin. That's what the Pittsburgh press does these days. They are lap dogs. They wanted to make sure people knew that Tomlin wasn't really to blame because others had "input"..... sound familiar?
I'm sure you didn't miss that part in my earlier statement. That would imply that Haley had some input in the decision.
He deserves blame proportional to his input. So does the scouting department. There's enough blame to go around. Final "responsibility" for the pick? That's Colbert and Tomlin. I know, the idea that everyone who has input on a bad decision deserves blame, but the responsibility for making that decision falls on the leaders is a hard concept to perceive isn't it. As for evidence that Haley wanted Archer ... Google it.
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Thanks for your opinion and input. I've considered it.
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But you've put no proportions on any of it. What is Haley's share? I also don't need to google Haley talking about Archer after the fact. Of course he is going to be on board. Show me one before the draft. If Archer was Haley's pick then why didn't he get more playing time? Why would Haley bench his own guy with very little playing time to evaluate him?
I understand that you think Tombert is ultimately responsible. However you throw out often that Haley is partially responsible because of a guy he had for 1 year in KC. Again there is no evidence for this at all... anywhere.
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I would think that Dick MIGHT want lighter faster guys due to qb's like Manning and Brady *** raping his ******* defense every damn time they hit the field. That's just a guess, maybe St LeBeau liked Tommy ******* him every time they played, but I doubt it. Turns out big slow run stopping lb's can't do **** when you run a TE over the middle, especially when the ******* prick running the NFL says you're no longer allowed to knock them the **** out for doing it.
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You do realize that one key part of the draft is to NOT show other teams you are interested in particular players right?
Besides the fact that you are insinuating (again) that I'm saying Archer was solely Haley's pick, Archer was benched because he SUCKED last year.
I said Haley was partially to blame for the pick .... and Tomlin and Colbert have to face the ultimate responsibility. Two different things. I can partially blame you for this discussion deteriorating to where we are essentially repeating the same things over and over ... However, I bear ultimate responsibility for my actions/decision to continue engaging with you in this matter.
So, thanks for the discussion, it's been an invaluable experience. I've read your opinions and input on the matter and rest assured they will be considered.
I would think that Dick MIGHT want lighter faster guys due to qb's like Manning and Brady *** raping his ******* defense every damn time they hit the field. That's just a guess, maybe St LeBeau liked Tommy ******* him every time they played, but I doubt it. Turns out big slow run stopping lb's can't do **** when you run a TE over the middle, especially when the ******* prick running the NFL says you're no longer allowed to knock them the **** out for doing it.
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So now we have smaller faster guys that get beat on pass plays and can't stop the run or beat an offensive tackle, makes perfect sense.
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We had all that last year and got *** raped by almost every team with a QB. We had Shazier, Timmons, Jones and Worilds. You can't get much smaller at LB than that. They were at the tail end of every single passing category. So I guess the *** raping will continue with the added benefit of not being able to stop the run either... wonderful.
I'm not saying you're wrong that we finished last, but how many games did we have that combination in?
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Shazier was hurt a lot so they added in Spence and Williams. Jones was hurt so Harrison played some. Spence is small and Williams started only 2 games. They have drafted mostly smallish LBs so no matter the combination they are all (except for Harrison) of that ilk. Williams is 6' 240 lbs. All of them were drafted because of their athleticism and ability to cover RBs and TEs.
Remember the picture of Shazier, Jones, Harrison, Williams and Spence? They all look like average guys who work out except for Harrison. Jones looks more like an IT guy than a football player. His arms are small. They were all drafted to help in the passing game. The problem is that it hasn't worked and now they struggle with both the pass and the run.
Williams was in his second year, and for all intents and purposes, Spence was too.
You can't fault a guy for dislocating a wrist. that's not quite the same as nicks and dings.
you still didn't answer my question, which I asked because that is what you based your assessment on - the combination of Shazier, Timmons, Worilds and Jones.
to then change that parameter and say we're using Spence and Williams due to injury is changing how you should look at the problem and how we shifted in attempt to solve it. Williams nor Spence are really starting material. So you're stating that our backups should be gauged the same as other teams' starters. Which, I can understand, since we're using players available, but you can't focus all of that blame on the combination of Jones, Timmons, Shazier and Worilds. ****, apparently Worilds didnt have his head in the game last year. Shazier was a rookie and Jones was a second year guy playing decently well until his injury.
You can't fault a guy for dislocating a wrist. that's not quite the same as nicks and dings.
you still didn't answer my question, which I asked because that is what you based your assessment on - the combination of Shazier, Timmons, Worilds and Jones.
to then change that parameter and say we're using Spence and Williams due to injury is changing how you should look at the problem and how we shifted in attempt to solve it. Williams nor Spence are really starting material. So you're stating that our backups should be gauged the same as other teams' starters. Which, I can understand, since we're using players available, but you can't focus all of that blame on the combination of Jones, Timmons, Shazier and Worilds. ****, apparently Worilds didnt have his head in the game last year. Shazier was a rookie and Jones was a second year guy playing decently well until his injury.
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It doesn't matter how many games they played together. You can give excuses all you want. The fact is that the entire LB unit is small and fast by design. They wanted Jones, Shazier, Timmons and Worilds as starters. Even if they play every game together they are small. Their backups are small. That's the issue. Spence and Williams played well IMHO. But again they aren't good against the pass. None of them are even when they are all healthy.
So if everyone is healthy who is the pass covering LB? Who is it? Remember that is the most important thing to keep from being destroyed by RBs and TEs and to make sure Brady doesn't kill them. So who are you putting on the field and are they good enough?
Shazier and Timmons are quite obviously our pass-covering LBs vs TEs.
I seriously doubt we see Deebo out there covering TEs or RBs by design.
I seriously doubt we see Deebo out there covering TEs or RBs by design.
Who's the guy on the far left of that picture (Williams?), because he's built like a brick **** house! Shazier is cut as well. I will admit that Jones and Spence look like they're still in college. Hopefully the after pics will be better!
If he gets to chuck him at the line he might be able to cover him, just keep knocking him down.
just posting that gave Rog a shiver up his reptilian ginger spine and made him call Rob Kraft to consult on what sort of fine should be levied.
I'm lost - I thought this thread was about Dri Archer???
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Timmons had 1 PD last year... 1... he is straight ahead fast but struggle to cover TEs and RBs. Shazier may turn into that player but right now we don't know that.
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Williams has bulked up some but he played at around 240 last year. Williams is closer to the typical ILB the Steelers had. The problem is that he can't cover in the passing game. He is also in Shazier's spot. As Shazier gets more playing time Williams will just be a backup. Shazier is cut but he is not very big. He's only 6'1 240 (he came out at 235).
I'd hope one of them would eventually replace Timmons when he declines.
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Timmons still has several years left. I wouldn't look for his replacement on the team right now. Their real problems are on the outside. Jones and whoever the LOLB is going to be (Moats probably) scare no one on the outside.
Wow just like old times. All of the old gang is here. I missed you guys. Nothing like a Dri Archer/tomlin sucks thread to get the blood boiling. Rome wasn't built in a day. Dri has time to grow(no pun intended) and learn the game. Not ready to call him a bust by any means. For those saying he was passed up by Harris in the playoff game. He was never drafted to be a every down back so that's not a surprise. If Blount doesn't turn out to be a jackass that point is moot. I hope he can nail down the return duties next year. He sucked at It last year but so did the blocking. Besides a ankle injury he proved he can take a hit and not die on the field also didn't fumble. Hopefully a year in the weight room and experience will benefit him this year and he can make contribution