Covid Vaccine

[Troglodyte]

Actually, the seat belt issue is widely known. There are several ways seatbelts can be death traps... if you are trapped upside down or with your weight fully on it in some other way, they may not release... also if it takes damage it can jam. Sometimes tgey fail to release just from the force of the impact jamming them... this is known... happens with enough frequency they make a tool for first responders.

A small percentage of people die from being trapped by seatbelts in a car that prevents them from escaping a dangerous situation like it being on fore or underwater... others arent able to get medical attention in time because of it.. and in cases where its not front to back impact, the belt can hurt more than help... getting tboned, for instance...

Famously Fox in the 90's had one of those caught on tape shows that had a guy who was in an accident and his belt jammed... the first responders on the scene couldnt get him out for several minutes... and you heard his screams as a fire slowly engulfed his car... iirc the fire department was able to get the fire extinguished but he was severely burned ...

The pro seat belt argument is that more lives are saved by them than hurt or lost because of them... but that is somewhat subjective... they count everyone wearing a seatbelt in an accident as a life saved... so its biased high for sure... still a good idea though...

The exception isn’t the rule. A seatbelt might prevent you from escaping a dangerous situation in a car, but I’d wager it’s far more likely to enable to escape that situation because your not unconscious from slamming your head into the windshield.

 

[oneforthebus]

except...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38221509/

or is the NIH now anti-vaxxer "slop"?

I’ve already acknowledged multiple times the vaccine caused rare cases of myocarditis. That hasn’t been kept secret by me, the government or big pharma. Yes, the anti-vaxxers like to mix occasional truths with all their lies for occasions such as this.

Myocarditis is an example of how VAERS works. It picks up safety signals. Adverse events are reported, and if the occurrence after vaccination is more frequent than would be expected in the general population, that's a signal. Events that happen at the same rate as they normally would, are not safety signals because they aren't indications that the vaccine is causing the problem. More study is needed of course, because they have to look at age, co-morbidities, other potential causes for the increase, and they do. After study a causal link in rare cases of myocarditis was confirmed. Not unusual for any medical treatment to have rare serious adverse events. It's good to know because if someone's looking out for myocarditis and is diagnosed it can usually be successfully treated.

 

[Superman]

Flu and other infectious diseases surged after the lockdowns due to immunity debt, people were not exposed and did not develop immunity...and I guess you missed the part where waves of excess deaths coincided with waves of new covid variants. I guess you also missed the part where studies show rates of deaths were lower in vaccinated people than unvaccinated ones. The Japanese study does not even look at association with covid vaccines or compare vaccinated to unvaccinated people in the excess deaths, but that doesn't stop anti-vaxxer misinformation sites from twisting it and using it to scare people.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2842305

you're not telling me anything new.

yes, there were deaths. but look at precisely what you said ...

people were not exposed and did not develop immunity

this is a by-product of the rush to vaccinate and essentially hide from a microscopic particle. or, as you said "a tiny amount" in reference to the vaccine that was not a vaccine. by not allowing people to congregate - be it in public settings, etc - herd immunity was curbed, just as was being discussed 700+ pages ago, but casually dismissed by the science deniers of Flog and Fibs.

 

[oneforthebus]

you're not telling me anything new.

yes, there were deaths. but look at precisely what you said ...

this is a by-product of the rush to vaccinate and essentially hide from a microscopic particle. or, as you said "a tiny amount" in reference to the vaccine that was not a vaccine. by not allowing people to congregate - be it in public settings, etc - herd immunity was curbed, just as was being discussed 700+ pages ago, but casually dismissed by the science deniers of Flog and Fibs.

Yes, but the problem was the coronavirus was a novel virus and no one knew at the time whether natural immunity would be conferred or how deadly the virus would be. Do I think the release of information as it was acquired was too slow? Absolutely. I just disagree with you on the motives.

My whole family got covid in December 2020 before there were vaccines. We were scared shitless, we are in our 50s and had no idea what would happen to us. My husband and son lost their sense of taste and smell, no one knew at the time if that would be permanent. I think a lot of people forget the uncertainty and fear. The idea that someone would just say "hey let's see if herd immunity works" early on, not knowing if it would kill hundreds of millions of people is a bit absurd.

 

[Superman]

Yes, but the problem was the coronavirus was a novel virus and no one knew at the time whether natural immunity would be conferred or how deadly the virus would be. Do I think the release of information as it was acquired was too slow? Absolutely. I just disagree with you on the motives.

My whole family got covid in December 2020 before there were vaccines. We were scared shitless, we are in our 50s and had no idea what would happen to us. My husband and son lost their sense of taste and smell, no one knew at the time if that would be permanent. I think a lot of people forget the uncertainty and fear. The idea that someone would just say "hey let's see if herd immunity works" early on, not knowing if it would kill hundreds of millions of people is a bit absurd.

firstly - i've only said that the "powers that be" most likely did not release ALL the information they had on the holy vaccine that Flog prays to, and the black plague virus that keeps Fibs under his bridge over the river Danube. All that is proving to be true, as more and more information about this is coming out.

the insane rush to get everyone vaxxinated - free donut, anyone? - was the peak of ridiculous. these shots were rushed to the market and even the name "Operation Warpspeed" signifies that. Yes, it was under Trump and yes, I voted for Trump, and yes, I'd vote for the mf again.

I truly believe the underlying intent to vaccinate the populace was good. I think somewhere along the lines it got turned into something it wasnt. It was not the holy shot that would prevent someone from getting sick, it did not slow the curve, it did not prevent transmission to others, it did not prevent you from getting it again and it most certainly did have side effects. The rush to market 100% had to cut corners. Had to. No other way around it.

Like you, I, too, was sick in Dec 2020. I remember being unable to sit up, my sinuses were clogged, my head constantly hurt, and my doctor said I had a "very, very bad sinus infection." In my 50 years, I'd never, not once, had a sinus infection in December. And this was back when the vid was un-named, but there were videos on LiveLeak where Chinese authorities were welding doors shut on families where someone had the virus.

Suddenly, we had a name for the Gynese Virus, and Nancy Pelosi was dancing in China Town saying things were safe.

but then the story changed and we're suddenly ALL on death's door and were taking Granny with us.

Oh, the VAERS report you recalled... dismissed immediately on this board for various reasons. Yet, now...

 

[oneforthebus]

firstly - i've only said that the "powers that be" most likely did not release ALL the information they had on the holy vaccine that Flog prays to, and the black plague virus that keeps Fibs under his bridge over the river Danube. All that is proving to be true, as more and more information about this is coming out.

the insane rush to get everyone vaxxinated - free donut, anyone? - was the peak of ridiculous. these shots were rushed to the market and even the name "Operation Warpspeed" signifies that. Yes, it was under Trump and yes, I voted for Trump, and yes, I'd vote for the mf again.

I truly believe the underlying intent to vaccinate the populace was good. I think somewhere along the lines it got turned into something it wasnt. It was not the holy shot that would prevent someone from getting sick, it did not slow the curve, it did not prevent transmission to others, it did not prevent you from getting it again and it most certainly did have side effects. The rush to market 100% had to cut corners. Had to. No other way around it.

Like you, I, too, was sick in Dec 2020. I remember being unable to sit up, my sinuses were clogged, my head constantly hurt, and my doctor said I had a "very, very bad sinus infection." In my 50 years, I'd never, not once, had a sinus infection in December. And this was back when the vid was un-named, but there were videos on LiveLeak where Chinese authorities were welding doors shut on families where someone had the virus.

Suddenly, we had a name for the Gynese Virus, and Nancy Pelosi was dancing in China Town saying things were safe.

but then the story changed and we're suddenly ALL on death's door and were taking Granny with us.

Oh, the VAERS report you recalled... dismissed immediately on this board for various reasons. Yet, now...

The VAERs report was never dismissed, it was simply not being interpreted the way it’s intended to be, as safety signals warranting further investigation, not as proof of mass death and serious injury caused by vaccines. If I eat a ham sandwich and get a blood clot the next day, it’s not proof that ham sandwiches cause blood clots. If 300 million people eat a ham sandwich some of them are going to get a blood clot the next day, or the next week, or the next month…still not proof that ham sandwiches cause blood clots. What you have to figure out is if the rate of blood clots is higher in people who ate ham sandwiches than it is in similar people who didn’t. This is nothing new, anti-vaxxers have used this same scare tactic for years. Some people do not seem to understand the statistical concept of correlation not equalling causation.

 

[IndySteel]

All the back and forth banter is nonsense. It was the flu, hyped up and turned into a panic by socialists to steal the 2020 election with fake mail-in ballots. It’s that simple.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Anti-vaxxer slop easily disprovable with a few google searches but imma let you all figure it out for yourselves. It's a waste of my time.

I take umbrage when the term anti-vaxxer is used in conjunction with those that find this particular vaccine, which isn't really a vaccine, less than optimal.

I took two jabs before the goalposts were continually moved on this product. It didn't harm me as far as I know but seriously doubt that it did me any good either.

I think most here, with a few exceptions, believe the majority of vaccines are a good idea when administered appropriately and aren't anti-vaccine, just not cheering on the subject of this particular thread.

 

[oneforthebus]

I take umbrage when the term anti-vaxxer is used in conjunction with those that find this particular vaccine, which isn't really a vaccine, less than optimal.

I took two jabs before the goalposts were continually moved on this product. It didn't harm me as far as I know but seriously doubt that it did me any good either.

I think most here, with a few exceptions, believe the majority of vaccines are a good idea when administered appropriately and aren't anti-vaccine, just not cheering on the subject of this particular thread.

There are some anti-vaccine and anti-medicine/pharma in general here. The anti-vax movement seized on the covid vax as proof of all the crap they've been spewing for years. They use much of the same playbook.

I can understand the hesitancy on the emergency use authorization, and with the value of hindsight it’s not a great vaccine (yes vaccine, it’s not the only vaccine that isn’t 100% effective against transmission but does reduce severity and death. The flu vaccine is the same, as is pertussis). Where I don’t agree is that it’s killing hundreds of thousands of people or that we were intentionally lied to about it. I never agreed with mandating, I said here very early on that would backfire and I was correct. We went from most people being anxious for a vaccine to a lot of people fearing it.

 

[madinsomniac]

The exception isn’t the rule. A seatbelt might prevent you from escaping a dangerous situation in a car, but I’d wager it’s far more likely to enable to escape that situation because your not unconscious from slamming your head into the windshield.

Thus my final statement. Its a good idea to wear them...

The political question is without 100% certainty that it will help and not hurt, does the government have the right to mandate it? Traditionally the accepted threshold for mandated government safety stuff is either if it either isnt a gray area that potentially help or hurt you, or it takes the safety of others into account.

So, for instance, drinking and driving... illegal for safety reasons, but can kill or hurt others other than onesself... base diving for fun off of a building... illegal for safety reasons, but there is no real gray area there... its one way dangerous... building codes protect others from unsafe practices... but the government doesnt mandate nutrition requirements for the general public, they can mandate what a company or restaurant sells, but not what people eat.. so they can tell the amish they cannot sell unpasteurized milk, but they cant tell an amish farmer he cant drink it..

The best example may be helmets on motorcycle riders.. a really good idea, no longer a law though, because the politicians feared it being challenged in the supreme court by a motivated minority of motorcycle riders and it getting tossed along with the more lucrative seatbelt law..

So to recap, wearing a seatbelt is smart, but it shouldnt be required... because there is a chance it can hurt, not help

The Covid vaccine should never have been mandated by anyone. We know from various countries hearings on it and the testimony given that they new before it ever was released that it had no impact on transmission. It was an imperfect vaccine... and we know the state's supreme court upheld right to mandate vaccines comes solely from the ability to prevent transmission, not potential medical benefits...

Imperfect vaccines should never be mandated, they are extremely dangerous for increased mutation reasons among more severe diseases. Its why certain ones, like the malaria one, arent offered unless the person is going into a high risk area...

Experimental drugs, like the MRNA stuff should be only made available to high risk demographics without major clinical trials...

 

[Superman]

There are some anti-vaccine and anti-medicine/pharma in general here. The anti-vax movement seized on the covid vax as proof of all the crap they've been spewing for years. They use much of the same playbook.

I can understand the hesitancy on the emergency use authorization, and with the value of hindsight it’s not a great vaccine (yes vaccine, it’s not the only vaccine that isn’t 100% effective against transmission but does reduce severity and death. The flu vaccine is the same, as is pertussis). Where I don’t agree is that it’s killing hundreds of thousands of people or that we were intentionally lied to about it. I never agreed with mandating, I said here very early on that would backfire and I was correct. We went from most people being anxious for a vaccine to a lot of people fearing it.

I agree with you about vaccines.

but this wasnt one of them. did it help some people? it may have. we also do not have proof that it did anything we were told. as Zona said, the goal posts were moved frequently and often, up to and including how we even define a vaccine now. is it possible that not ALL the data was released to the medical community? yes, very possible. is it likely? that is being proven more and more every day.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

If it's taken someone 6 years to come to this conclusion, we need to put them in the same tard bucket.

I had the same exact thought. Sorry Boot.

 

[Troglodyte]

Thus my final statement. Its a good idea to wear them...

The political question is without 100% certainty that it will help and not hurt, does the government have the right to mandate it? Traditionally the accepted threshold for mandated government safety stuff is either if it either isnt a gray area that potentially help or hurt you, or it takes the safety of others into account.

So, for instance, drinking and driving... illegal for safety reasons, but can kill or hurt others other than onesself... base diving for fun off of a building... illegal for safety reasons, but there is no real gray area there... its one way dangerous... building codes protect others from unsafe practices... but the government doesnt mandate nutrition requirements for the general public, they can mandate what a company or restaurant sells, but not what people eat.. so they can tell the amish they cannot sell unpasteurized milk, but they cant tell an amish farmer he cant drink it..

The best example may be helmets on motorcycle riders.. a really good idea, no longer a law though, because the politicians feared it being challenged in the supreme court by a motivated minority of motorcycle riders and it getting tossed along with the more lucrative seatbelt law..

So to recap, wearing a seatbelt is smart, but it shouldnt be required... because there is a chance it can hurt, not help

You’re making the exception the rule.

The Covid vaccine should never have been mandated by anyone. We know from various countries hearings on it and the testimony given that they new before it ever was released that it had no impact on transmission.

No Google “Did the COVID vaccine reduce transmission?” and get back to me on this.

It was an imperfect vaccine... and we know the state's supreme court upheld right to mandate vaccines comes solely from the ability to prevent transmission, not potential medical benefits...
Imperfect vaccines should never be mandated,

Google “Is there a perfect vaccine?” and get back to me on this.

they are extremely dangerous for increased mutation reasons among more severe diseases. Its why certain ones, like the malaria one, arent offered unless the person is going into a high risk area...

Experimental drugs, like the MRNA stuff should be only made available to high risk demographics without major clinical trials...

They’re not experimental.

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/decades-making-mrna-covid-19-vaccines

 

[fedderone]

You’re making the exception the rule.

No Google “Did the COVID vaccine reduce transmission?” and get back to me on this.

Google “Is there a perfect vaccine?” and get back to me on this.

They’re not experimental.

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/decades-making-mrna-covid-19-vaccines

I did JUST this.
And once again, stealing from Tim, you really suck at this.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39283431/

Overall, there is no convincing evidence that the COVID-19 vaccination significantly reduces the risk to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others.

Oh, and I can't wait to hear how you tell us all how the NCBI / NIH is unreliable because Trump is president.

 

[Superman]

I did JUST this.
And once again, stealing from Tim, you really suck at this.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39283431/

Overall, there is no convincing evidence that the COVID-19 vaccination significantly reduces the risk to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others.

Oh, and I can't wait to hear how you tell us all how the NCBI / NIH is unreliable because Trump is president.

from Google:




While the vaccines were incredibly effective at preventing severe illness, hospitalization, and death, public health agencies noted that they did not completely eliminate the risk of transmission, which is why additional mitigation measures were often recommended during surges.

 

[fedderone]

from Google:

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While the vaccines were incredibly effective at preventing severe illness, hospitalization, and death, public health agencies noted that they did not completely eliminate the risk of transmission, which is why additional mitigation measures were often recommended during surges.

Supe - Not to pee in your Cheerios, but I trust Google AI returns as much as I do farts after Taco Bell.
Recently, I could not remember the name of the actor that played Rerun on the TV show What's Happening.
It's Fred Berry, for those scoring at home.
Anyways, Google AI started giving Fred Berry's life arc and ERRONEOUSLY stated that his famous catchphrase on What's Happening was, "Hey hey hey!"
The problem with that is it wasn't.
"Hey hey hey" was Dwayne's catchphrase, another different character from the show.
And Google AI says, "information obtained from Wikipedia" and cites it as reference in giving me my answer.
And if you don't know ALL the errors, faults, and problems with Wikipedia information, there's another rabbit hole for ya.
And Google's AI is also subject to pay for top priority and narrative pushing, so just an FYI.
No ill will intended, just education if unknown to you.

 

[Superman]

Supe - Not to pee in your Cheerios, but I trust Google AI returns as much as I do farts after Taco Bell.
Recently, I could not remember the name of the actor that played Rerun on the TV show What's Happening.
It's Fred Berry, for those scoring at home.
Anyways, Google AI started giving Fred Berry's life arc and ERRONEOUSLY stated that his famous catchphrase on What's Happening was, "Hey hey hey!"
The problem with that is it wasn't.
"Hey hey hey" was Dwayne's catchphrase, another different character from the show.
And Google AI says, "information obtained from Wikipedia" and cites it as reference in giving me my answer.
And if you don't know ALL the errors, faults, and problems with Wikipedia information, there's another rabbit hole for ya.
And Google's AI is also subject to pay for top priority and narrative pushing, so just an FYI.
No ill will intended, just education if unknown to you.

oh, of course.

i only used ze's preferred search engine against ze.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

There are some anti-vaccine and anti-medicine/pharma in general here. The anti-vax movement seized on the covid vax as proof of all the crap they've been spewing for years. They use much of the same playbook.

I can understand the hesitancy on the emergency use authorization, and with the value of hindsight it’s not a great vaccine (yes vaccine, it’s not the only vaccine that isn’t 100% effective against transmission but does reduce severity and death. The flu vaccine is the same, as is pertussis). Where I don’t agree is that it’s killing hundreds of thousands of people or that we were intentionally lied to about it. I never agreed with mandating, I said here very early on that would backfire and I was correct. We went from most people being anxious for a vaccine to a lot of people fearing it.

No vaccine is 100% effective, although MMR, varicella, polio, Hep B and DTaP are greater than 90%.
And yes, I sarcastically stated that the Covid mRNA product isn't a vaccine, but in the traditional sense of those listed above, it is not.
Even the annual flu vaccine is a 50/50 crap shoot depending on predicting the variant, but it's still worth getting in my opinion.

The issue with the Covid "vaccine" is that it was touted as being 95% effective when we were all in a panic that the world was ending. Turns out that number is looking closer to 30%. I'm not aware of any vaccine with a lower efficacy rate in what a vaccine is actually supposed to do.

As far as the adverse effects go, I'll continue to take a wait and see approach, because there's no such thing as side effect free. That certainly includes this product which may have as many risks as benefits.

To sum up, it's a product that likely helped a certain segment of the population, the elderly with co-morbidities, but not a product that should have been mandated for everyone. In hindsight it was a product that was over-hyped, possibly with good intentions with the approaching apocalypse n'at, but over-hyped just the same.

Not an anti-vaxxer.

 

[Troglodyte]

I did JUST this.
And once again, stealing from Tim, you really suck at this.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39283431/

Overall, there is no convincing evidence that the COVID-19 vaccination significantly reduces the risk to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others.

Oh, and I can't wait to hear how you tell us all how the NCBI / NIH is unreliable because Trump is president.

Superman followed directions. You let your confirmation bias take over and googled “How did the Covid Vaccine not prevent transmission.”

 

[fedderone]

Superman followed directions. You let your confirmation bias take over and googled “How did the Covid Vaccine not prevent transmission.”

You're so predictable.
I actually followed your directions VERBATIM.
I actually copied and pasted your EXACT quote into Google.
Where I differ from you is I take the time to READ and look at more than the first bought and paid for listing and look at all the information returned from my question.
So I moved right past the AI top entry return that's a homogenization of multiple different sources and went to the NIH entry, since you're SO big on official sources and not TikDoctors with anecdotes like you post.
And just like clockwork, here you are trying to squirm and wiggle and move goalposts and Harlem Shuffle because you can't accept FACTS and DATA that don't align with your cult worshipping delusions.

 

[oneforthebus]

No vaccine is 100% effective, although MMR, varicella, polio, Hep B and DTaP are greater than 90%.
And yes, I sarcastically stated that the Covid mRNA product isn't a vaccine, but in the traditional sense of those listed above, it is not.
Even the annual flu vaccine is a 50/50 crap shoot depending on predicting the variant, but it's still worth getting in my opinion.

The issue with the Covid "vaccine" is that it was touted as being 95% effective when we were all in a panic that the world was ending. Turns out that number is looking closer to 30%. I'm not aware of any vaccine with a lower efficacy rate in what a vaccine is actually supposed to do.

As far as the adverse effects go, I'll continue to take a wait and see approach, because there's no such thing as side effect free. That certainly includes this product which may have as many risks as benefits.

To sum up, it's a product the likely helped a certain segment of the population, the elderly with co-morbidities, but not a product that should have been mandated for everyone. In hindsight it was a product that was over-hyped, possibly with good intentions with the approaching apocalypse n'at, but over-hyped just the same.

Not an anti-vaxxer.

Pretty much sums up my exact views on it. I was double vaxxed and boosted, had covid twice, once pre-vaccine, once after booster. Was a mild cold for me both times, although it lingered a bit the second time. Won't be getting the current vaccine again.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Pretty much sums up my exact views on it. I was double vaxxed and boosted, had covid twice, once pre-vaccine, once after booster. Was a mild cold for me both times, although it lingered a bit the second time. Won't be getting the current vaccine again.

Everything posted on this forum is little but personal opinions, and I'm likely to be proven wrong as the next person.
What's scary are those that are absolutely certain they are 100% right on any given subject. Those are fools to be avoided.
In my case, even with 45+ years of practical experience and seeing a lot in those years, I'm open to new information, assuming we can trust what we're being fed.

 

[IndySteel]

 

[Superman]

Superman followed directions. You let your confirmation bias take over and googled “How did the Covid Vaccine not prevent transmission.”

and Google didnt follow yours. note the green text above.

 

[Confluence]

Hmmm...I wonder if something happened in the world around the same time as covid vaccinations that might have caused excess mortality...let me think, what could it be?...

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/japanese-study-does-not-report-explosion-deaths-among-covid-vaccinated-2025-04-24/

Social media posts, opens new tab on April 13 shared a headline from Slay News, a website that Reuters has fact-checked on multiple occasions, about the study that said Japan had issued a global alert about an explosion in excess deaths among vaccinated people.
“This is absolutely a false and misleading claim,” Ganan Devanathan, a doctoral student from the University of Tokyo and lead author of the study, told Reuters in an email. “Our research in no way suggested that excess deaths are exploding amongst the COVID-vaccinated population. We did not investigate any association with vaccines, or the vaccinated population.”

The study concludes that, despite Japan’s success in keeping excess deaths down at the start of the pandemic, they increased as it went on, peaking in 2022.
“While numerous events occurred in Japan during the pandemic, it is difficult to draw associations on their impact on excess mortality, and it is likely highly multifactorial,” the authors wrote. “Urban and rural prefectures may exhibit different patterns as identified, and the interaction with other infectious diseases, such as influenza, likely plays a role.”
The study also says that, while more research is required, the low levels of excess deaths in Niigata prefecture in 2022 and 2023 could be down to high COVID vaccination rates there.
Japan began rolling out COVID vaccines on February 17, 2021.
Overall, Japan had an estimated 219,516 excess deaths between 2020 and 2023, according to, opens new tab the study. Compared with the pre-pandemic period, the researchers found there were 22,045 fewer deaths than expected in 2020. Then, in 2021, there were an estimated 31,791 excess deaths, 119,060 the following year and 90,710 in 2023.

Reuters has previously addressed misleading posts and articles saying that excess deaths during the pandemic were caused by COVID vaccines rather than by COVID itself.
Addressing a similar claim, Paul Hunter, a professor of medicine from the University of East Anglia, said in a 2024 online article, opens new tab that spikes in mortality during the pandemic period tracked with COVID waves. He also pointed out that, while larger numbers of people who died in 2022 and 2023 were vaccinated, that is because the majority of people were vaccinated by that time, but the rate of deaths among vaccinated people was lower than among the unvaccinated.
In addition, Hunter said, possible explanations for excess deaths not linked to COVID “include the long-term impact of COVID infections, the return of infections such as flu that had been suppressed during the pandemic ... and delays in diagnosing life-threatening conditions as health services struggled to cope with the pandemic and its aftermath.”

You are choosing to believe that which you find, rather than providing any response that answers the basic question of "were the Covid shots either safe or efficacious"?

There are mountains of evidence that this is not the case, but you choose to find the words of apologists --- likely funded by the same pharma and governments that approved these sham shots --- to demonstrate your beliefs.

And that is your right. You are entitled to stick your head in the sand and ignore the parts of the Covid scam that you don't want to believe.

That is just sad.