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Many thousands of people have suffered emergency medical situations while a wearing seatbelt. Some people will argue that something other than the seatbelt caused it as it’s still exceedingly rare.
If it's taken someone 6 years to come to this conclusion, we need to put them in the same tard bucket.
He would argue that water isn't wet. The typical Dim, and the reason that the political spectrum in this country will never return to center, because giving even an inch, in their minds is inconceivable, logic be damned, forward, no matter how insane it gets.
Actually, the seat belt issue is widely known. There are several ways seatbelts can be death traps... if you are trapped upside down or with your weight fully on it in some other way, they may not release... also if it takes damage it can jam. Sometimes tgey fail to release just from the force of the impact jamming them... this is known... happens with enough frequency they make a tool for first responders.
A small percentage of people die from being trapped by seatbelts in a car that prevents them from escaping a dangerous situation like it being on fore or underwater... others arent able to get medical attention in time because of it.. and in cases where its not front to back impact, the belt can hurt more than help... getting tboned, for instance...
Famously Fox in the 90's had one of those caught on tape shows that had a guy who was in an accident and his belt jammed... the first responders on the scene couldnt get him out for several minutes... and you heard his screams as a fire slowly engulfed his car... iirc the fire department was able to get the fire extinguished but he was severely burned ...
The pro seat belt argument is that more lives are saved by them than hurt or lost because of them... but that is somewhat subjective... they count everyone wearing a seatbelt in an accident as a life saved... so its biased high for sure... still a good idea though...
History of MRNA treatments:
2011-2019 everything they tried it on failed in clinical trials... pharm
Companies were out a couple billion in research for a product that they could not sell because it still had an abnormally high blood clotting issue as well as potential reproductive issues...
2020 Trump gave moderna a billion dollars and free access to its competitors patents to provide a vaccine quicker than a traditional one could get made
Pfizer bitched and moaned till they got the same deal..
2021 the Vaccines were initially made available to the most vulnerable population First.
Then it was made available to general adults
This was fine... it was when the Pharmas got greedy and wanted it to be approved for pregnant women and the under 17 group they ****** up... also that emergency approval shouldnt have let them skip clinical trials on other MRNA stuff... it needs to all be traditionally vetted and all the research needs to be public ....
2011-2019 everything they tried it on failed in clinical trials... pharm
Companies were out a couple billion in research for a product that they could not sell because it still had an abnormally high blood clotting issue as well as potential reproductive issues...
2020 Trump gave moderna a billion dollars and free access to its competitors patents to provide a vaccine quicker than a traditional one could get made
Pfizer bitched and moaned till they got the same deal..
2021 the Vaccines were initially made available to the most vulnerable population First.
Then it was made available to general adults
This was fine... it was when the Pharmas got greedy and wanted it to be approved for pregnant women and the under 17 group they ****** up... also that emergency approval shouldnt have let them skip clinical trials on other MRNA stuff... it needs to all be traditionally vetted and all the research needs to be public ....
George Carlin used to warn about people whose politics defined their self image... said you couldnt debate them because to them, challenging their position on a subject was challenging them personally..
Now he likely was talking about the little old church lady mentality from the far right back then... but thats the exact same stuff going on with the left these days
so why dont we have seatbelts on motorcycles? or require people like you to wear helmets while driving?
Why am I picturing Flog wearing a shiny red helmet, beating a path down a hill trying not to wipe out? Oh, yeah, because he’s a retard.
you forgot the spinner on top of the helmet. chin strap tight, but no face guard.
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So, it would have been beneficial if ALL the doctors and "medical experts" would have been HAMMERING society with eating right and exercise during COVID rather than wearing masks that don't actually do anything, standing 6 feet apart which didn't actually do anything, staying indoors which didn't actually do anything.
The MOST needy, those with comorbidities, NEEDED natural Vitamin D, which is only from the sunlight.
Those who did get severely ill NEEDED their loved ones close to them, human contact, interaction, and support and not isolation.
Nobody is denying that medical advancements have lead to longer life expectancy on average as well as amazing ways to combat the various diseases we can encounter.
But then the $64,000.00 question remains WHY did we dismiss ALL we have learned about medicine and health up to COVID and did EVERYTHING counterintuitive to what we already knew?
This is NOT a political thing, meaning NOT Democrat/Liberal vs Republican/Conservative.
Trump with Operation Warp Speed and Biden with Vax mandates for Federal Employees, which then almost all private sector companies mimicked.
Why push a vaccine that neither prevented transmission nor infection, and only MAYBE lessened the symptoms you experience, and it did not go through the same trials all previous vaccines went through?
Why change the definition of the word vaccine AFTER the COVID vaccine was created?
Why were they incentivizing people to get vaccinated with lotteries and free giveaways and also camping out at bars and outside of bars with clearly inebriated people who aren't thinking coherently? Why didn't they do this with any previous vaccines, especially considering the efficacy compared to previous vaccines like Polio and Small Pox?
I think Sarge previously said this or something similar earlier in this thread.
Most doctors don't try to eliminate the CAUSE or SOURCE of your issue anymore.
They want to treat the symptoms.
The best example of this are patients with Type 2 diabetes.
Type 2 diabetes is 100% curable and preventable.......WITH FN DIET AND EXERCISE.
No, you cannot force people to eat correctly and exercise. You also cannot force people to take insulin shots, either.
But we unfortunately as a human race have become lazy and expect instant results with minimal effort, so we keep treating symptoms rather than root cause because that's less contentious.
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just to address this part, though I agree with the entire post.
My previous doc was concerned about my cholesterol level. Literally everything else was fine in my blood work. Cholesterol was at 221. He said I was showing a historic increase in my level and wanted me to try a prescription. He said it could be filled online, and delivered to me and would be cheaper than getting it from CVS or Walgreen's. I tried getting it, but it was not in stock. I called back to let him know, and never heard back.
The next year, same thing - cholesterol level elevated. This time at 260. He wanted me to try Repatha. An injection. I don't do shots or injections. Just don't like the feeling of the needle since I had allergy shots as a kid and they'd inject them into my back. Just a mental thing. I did the Repatha for a few months. Then decided to stop it.
I looked at my diet - i was eating scrambled eggs (three eggs, removing two yolks), then eating tuna salad with a boiled egg at lunch. That was the highlight of my cholesterol intake. Immediately stopped that and kept up with my exercise regimen.
Went back for my annual checkup and my cholesterol level was down to 219.
Instead of reviewing my intake - he was quick to push me onto some medication. Despite my protest to the medication.
Not everything requires medication.
Preventative medicine is always the first step, it's just a harder option.
What? You want me to give up beer, ice cream and tortilla chips?
i know some people who ask me what i did to get back into shape. when i tell them, they reply with "that's hard. I can't do that. No way I'm going to the gym - especially at 5am!"
so ... ok. good luck.
FIZER’S OWN DATA IS SHOCKING...
Their internal numbers reveal catastrophic spikes in serious conditions:
• 487% spike in Breast Cancer
• 369% spike in Testicular Cancer
• 2181% spike in Hypertension
• 680% spike in Multiple Sclerosis
• 551% spike in Guillain-Barré Syndrome
And many more.
This is not speculation — it’s straight from their own reported data.
Independent studies have also raised serious concerns:
- Fatal Myocarditis: A 2024 systematic review of autopsies found a causal link between COVID-19 vaccines and fatal myocarditis in multiple cases (Hulscher et al., ESC Heart Failure).
- Cancer: A large 2025 South Korean population study (Kim et al.) found significantly increased 1-year risks of several cancers post-vaccination.
- Excess Deaths: A major Japanese analysis showed excess deaths occurred ONLY in the COVID-vaccinated group, with no excess deaths observed in the unvaccinated.
The buried TRUTH is coming out...
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I've never argued against preventative medicine. (Vaccines are preventative medicine).
Again, all a doctor can do is urge you to do what you should do, the fact remains that many people don't do it. I guess the penalty for that should be death? As a physician, when you have studies that show people with these conditions who take statins or blood pressure medicine are less likely to die than people who don't, what do you expect them to do? "Lose 100 pounds fatty, fingers crossed you don't stroke out or have a heart attack in the meantime. I'm not gonna give you a pill that will improve these conditions and help you feel better and live longer."
Healthy living is definitely preferable. (I'll assume all of you are in tip top shape, work out regularly and never smoke, drink, become overweight or eat processed foods since you seem to think unhealthy people are all just lazy pigs.) But healthy living doesn't prevent all disease. There are hereditary and congenital diseases people acquire through no "fault" of their own. Type 1 diabetes, biliary atresia, cystic fibrosis (I happen to know young people who have all 3). I can assure you there are people working diligently to find cures, organ transplant is a "cure" for the first two but is not without risks or side effects. CF includes many different genetic mutations, some of the mutations have been for all intents and purposes cured but others stubbornly resist responding to the same therapies. Cancer is not one illness but many, with many different cellular mutations that all respond differently to different treatments. Bacteria and viruses all respond differently to different treatments.
If only "curing" the root cause of diseases was that simple.
Medicine is not some evil plot to keep us unhealthy, it's a way to keep unhealthy people from becoming even more unhealthy and/or dying. Cures would be great, it's not as though no one's trying, and we've managed to eradicate some diseases if not cure them, although backlash against vaccinations is starting to cause a resurgence of some.
Again, all a doctor can do is urge you to do what you should do, the fact remains that many people don't do it. I guess the penalty for that should be death? As a physician, when you have studies that show people with these conditions who take statins or blood pressure medicine are less likely to die than people who don't, what do you expect them to do? "Lose 100 pounds fatty, fingers crossed you don't stroke out or have a heart attack in the meantime. I'm not gonna give you a pill that will improve these conditions and help you feel better and live longer."
Healthy living is definitely preferable. (I'll assume all of you are in tip top shape, work out regularly and never smoke, drink, become overweight or eat processed foods since you seem to think unhealthy people are all just lazy pigs.) But healthy living doesn't prevent all disease. There are hereditary and congenital diseases people acquire through no "fault" of their own. Type 1 diabetes, biliary atresia, cystic fibrosis (I happen to know young people who have all 3). I can assure you there are people working diligently to find cures, organ transplant is a "cure" for the first two but is not without risks or side effects. CF includes many different genetic mutations, some of the mutations have been for all intents and purposes cured but others stubbornly resist responding to the same therapies. Cancer is not one illness but many, with many different cellular mutations that all respond differently to different treatments. Bacteria and viruses all respond differently to different treatments.
If only "curing" the root cause of diseases was that simple.
Medicine is not some evil plot to keep us unhealthy, it's a way to keep unhealthy people from becoming even more unhealthy and/or dying. Cures would be great, it's not as though no one's trying, and we've managed to eradicate some diseases if not cure them, although backlash against vaccinations is starting to cause a resurgence of some.
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Anti-vaxxer slop easily disprovable with a few google searches but imma let you all figure it out for yourselves. It's a waste of my time.
except...
or is the NIH now anti-vaxxer "slop"?
and the entire country and scientific community of Japan is now "anti-vaxxer slop"
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Hmmm...I wonder if something happened in the world around the same time as covid vaccinations that might have caused excess mortality...let me think, what could it be?...
Social media posts, opens new tab on April 13 shared a headline from Slay News, a website that Reuters has fact-checked on multiple occasions, about the study that said Japan had issued a global alert about an explosion in excess deaths among vaccinated people.
“This is absolutely a false and misleading claim,” Ganan Devanathan, a doctoral student from the University of Tokyo and lead author of the study, told Reuters in an email. “Our research in no way suggested that excess deaths are exploding amongst the COVID-vaccinated population. We did not investigate any association with vaccines, or the vaccinated population.”
The study concludes that, despite Japan’s success in keeping excess deaths down at the start of the pandemic, they increased as it went on, peaking in 2022.
“While numerous events occurred in Japan during the pandemic, it is difficult to draw associations on their impact on excess mortality, and it is likely highly multifactorial,” the authors wrote. “Urban and rural prefectures may exhibit different patterns as identified, and the interaction with other infectious diseases, such as influenza, likely plays a role.”
The study also says that, while more research is required, the low levels of excess deaths in Niigata prefecture in 2022 and 2023 could be down to high COVID vaccination rates there.
Japan began rolling out COVID vaccines on February 17, 2021.
Overall, Japan had an estimated 219,516 excess deaths between 2020 and 2023, according to, opens new tab the study. Compared with the pre-pandemic period, the researchers found there were 22,045 fewer deaths than expected in 2020. Then, in 2021, there were an estimated 31,791 excess deaths, 119,060 the following year and 90,710 in 2023.
Reuters has previously addressed misleading posts and articles saying that excess deaths during the pandemic were caused by COVID vaccines rather than by COVID itself.
Addressing a similar claim, Paul Hunter, a professor of medicine from the University of East Anglia, said in a 2024 online article, opens new tab that spikes in mortality during the pandemic period tracked with COVID waves. He also pointed out that, while larger numbers of people who died in 2022 and 2023 were vaccinated, that is because the majority of people were vaccinated by that time, but the rate of deaths among vaccinated people was lower than among the unvaccinated.
In addition, Hunter said, possible explanations for excess deaths not linked to COVID “include the long-term impact of COVID infections, the return of infections such as flu that had been suppressed during the pandemic ... and delays in diagnosing life-threatening conditions as health services struggled to cope with the pandemic and its aftermath.”
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Like shooting fish in a barrel.
the flu? that was essentially non-existent during Covid.
yes - having to take a Vid test prior to being admitted to the hospital or any other medical facility could have drastically delayed any diagnosis.
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Don't you all ever consider how ludicrous it sounds that this tiny amount of vaccine in someone's arm supposedly causes everything from miscarriage to cancer to neurological disorders to hypertension to MS and on and on and on? Shouldn't that alone give you pause? It would have to be like the most multi-acting toxic substance to ever exist.
By the way you don't have to get it any more, most people don't. Unsure of the need to constantly repost old debunked anti-vaxxer claims over and over again.
By the way you don't have to get it any more, most people don't. Unsure of the need to constantly repost old debunked anti-vaxxer claims over and over again.
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Flu and other infectious diseases surged after the lockdowns due to immunity debt, people were not exposed and did not develop immunity...and I guess you missed the part where waves of excess deaths coincided with waves of new covid variants. I guess you also missed the part where studies show rates of deaths were lower in vaccinated people than unvaccinated ones. The Japanese study does not even look at association with covid vaccines or compare vaccinated to unvaccinated people in the excess deaths, but that doesn't stop anti-vaxxer misinformation sites from twisting it and using it to scare people.