Could we be 8-8 again?

[antdrewjosh]

Here is my take from watching him this game: As stated, he didn't get ANY separation, and when Ben did throw his way, I got the feeling Ben was TOLD to throw his way, and he kind of just tossed it over his head, since he knew he wasn't really open, but, being that Green was our prized free agent signing, politics were such that they made Ben go there when he did. Ben's body language and expression looked as if he was just going through the motions even though he didn't really believe in the plays going to Green. The guy was slow, and yes, maybe after some live game action, he will get better. But as of right now, plays targeted to him were wasted plays; he showed nothing as of right now.

Where do you come up with this stuff?? Told to throw it his way...politics??

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[Ike Kelly]

Topseed, I think you hit on something here. Yes, Tomlin has missed 3 playoffs not two. And if we go 8-8 again (for the 3rd time under Tomlin) it will mark 3 out of 5 years with a -non-winning record. That is simply a fact. Ike is having trouble with the mathematics involved.

Topseed hit on I left out one non-playoff appearance. Or in summary, 5 seasons in 14 years. "The simple fact" is I left out one piece of data that doesn't impact the context of my rebuttal to your drivel. Since you feel I have a problem with numbers, and a being of all knowing and all seeing of infinite knowledge in your own infantile mind, YOU tell the board what the playoff percentage with those numbers in that span is and what other teams have met or exceeded in the same period. And please don't include the numbers from the real team you favor over all others, because those wins have asterisks. I would caution you not to hurt yourself though, you might get an infarct thinking straight and logical for once in your life.

As for your prediction IF, the team finishes 8-8 again, all it means is they will still have a non-losing season under Tomlin, and 6 seasons of 15 of not going to the playoffs. Or in your terms, 3 of 5 years with a non-LOSING record. I actually believe they will have their first LOSING season this year under Tomlin, just on the body of work seen so far unless he pulls off one of those second half season coaching jobs as he has done in the pass.Plus, if....IF they make the playoffs, there better be significant changes to how they approach their defensive schemes, or there won't be any long stay in there. As the coach and QB both stated...the win yesterday really doesn't mean anything. Still plenty of football left and anything can happen. Even now, since Andrew Luck is now in concussion protocol.

 

[POP]

Where do you come up with this stuff?? Told to throw it his way...politics??

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Have you not been in the corporate world? It's really not that complex. Team has ego. GM has ego. Owner has ego. They spent their largest free agent spending in a while on Green. Those involved in that decision do not want to look bad; it's the same reason why 1st-round draft picks get extra time to sink or swim. Dump a 1st-round pick, or higher priced free agent is an indication that a mistake was made. Higher level people say "piss off" and cut/bench players regardless of prominence; most have to protect their ego, hence situations like this. Even if it goes unspoken, people just know...Green was going to get targets, period, in an effort to prove signing him was wise. They don't want to admit it was a bad move unless they have to. It's human nature. It's petty and small-minded, but it is human nature. They already got egg on their face from him being injured all this time and them not realizing it before they signed him and gave him all that $. But if he remains as slow as he was last game, they will be forced to move on.

 

[POP]

Topseed hit on I left out one non-playoff appearance. Or in summary, 5 seasons in 14 years. "The simple fact" is I left out one piece of data that doesn't impact the context of my rebuttal to your drivel. Since you feel I have a problem with numbers, and a being of all knowing and all seeing of infinite knowledge in your own infantile mind, YOU tell the board what the playoff percentage with those numbers in that span is and what other teams have met or exceeded in the same period. And please don't include the numbers from the real team you favor over all others, because those wins have asterisks. I would caution you not to hurt yourself though, you might get an infarct thinking straight and logical for once in your life.

As for your prediction IF, the team finishes 8-8 again, all it means is they will still have a non-losing season under Tomlin, and 6 seasons of 15 of not going to the playoffs. Or in your terms, 3 of 5 years with a non-LOSING record. I actually believe they will have their first LOSING season this year under Tomlin, just on the body of work seen so far unless he pulls off one of those second half season coaching jobs as he has done in the pass.Plus, if....IF they make the playoffs, there better be significant changes to how they approach their defensive schemes, or there won't be any long stay in there. As the coach and QB both stated...the win yesterday really doesn't mean anything. Still plenty of football left and anything can happen. Even now, since Andrew Luck is now in concussion protocol.

Your structure and syntax makes your ramblings nearly indecipherable. In your attempt to defend a subpar coach, I believe you are suffering from an emotional spike making your thinking off-kilter. But I agree the win yesterday is nearly meaningless, other than the fact that if we lost the season really would be pretty much over. A win means we are merely in contention to win the division, but that could be the end of the importance, as, unless there are significant advances, we will be a "one and done" playoff team.

 

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[Ike Kelly]

Have you not been in the corporate world? It's really not that complex. Team has ego. GM has ego. Owner has ego. They spent their largest free agent spending in a while on Green. Those involved in that decision do not want to look bad; it's the same reason why 1st-round draft picks get extra time to sink or swim. Dump a 1st-round pick, or higher priced free agent is an indication that a mistake was made. Higher level people say "piss off" and cut/bench players regardless of prominence; most have to protect their ego, hence situations like this. Even if it goes unspoken, people just know...Green was going to get targets, period, in an effort to prove signing him was wise. They don't want to admit it was a bad move unless they have to. It's human nature. It's petty and small-minded, but it is human nature. They already got egg on their face from him being injured all this time and them not realizing it before they signed him and gave him all that $. But if he remains as slow as he was last game, they will be forced to move on.

Have you been in the corporate world? It isn't all about ego, which you exhibit constantly, it is primarily about business and ULTIMATELY about, making a profit, and calculating trends and tendencies for growth of profit. The business model of the league has certain rules, hence a salary cap, of which to allow fair play with the other 32 teams and increases their expenditures.Sure Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder have tremendous egos, but they are successful because they are smart businessmen. Ego won't get in the way of business. Mark Cuban, whose ego could rivals yours, still knows the business of making money even in sports and handles his franchise as such. I don't know if you are aware, but there is this check and balance system in the NFL. Its called the salary cap, and as of recently, a cap floor both which drive the economic engine of all the owners in the league. There are also penalties included in check and balances, which dictates how players are managed financially. Oh, want to drop a 1st round pick, or a newly signed 20 million FA? Sure, but you will be penalized by cap charge formulas. So, in simple terms, their egos are kept in check when it comes to business decisions that will cost them money. So "not wanting to admit it was a bad move" is called managing your investment. Let me ask you, if you knew you were losing 8 million on releasing a player immediately because your ego said so, would you when keeping him until the rules allow would save you 4 million? These people are not stupid, they have smart people working for them to make money not lose it. They are very successful business operatives. Many more times you could ever imagine to be. So your ten cents worth of opinion, wouldn't last 10 seconds in there presence.

Your structure and syntax makes your ramblings nearly indecipherable. In your attempt to defend a sub-par coach, I believe you are suffering from an emotional spike making your thinking off-kilter. But I agree the win yesterday is nearly meaningless, other than the fact that if we lost the season really would be pretty much over. A win means we are merely in contention to win the division, but that could be the end of the importance, as, unless there are significant advances, we will be a "one and done" playoff team.

Sure, dodge the inquiry, say I am defending a coach, who I have on record stated needs to do better or there will be changes made. Go ahead side step and deflect the question asked to you, by elaborating on "structure and syntax", my "ramblings" or your inability to converse intelligently like an adult. Rather you just exhibit how you can't defend your peacock ego of opinions and the answer you give to the question asked would show you are not as smart as you think you are and obviously cannot discern what it means to provide objective findings to the majority of your baseless opinions. I ask you again, what is the percentage during that period in question?

A win means we are merely in contention to win the division, which means making the playoffs but that could be the end of the importance, Wait, I thought the whole importance was not making the playoffs. I don't expect this team to be, but would be excited if they did. Because anything can happen then (review 2005 season) . But I don't expect you to be around here if somehow this team does, of if they do have anything positive to say about it.

 

[topseed]

And we missed the playoffs 5 years under Cowher. 98, 99, 00, 03, 06. Oh, they cherry picked stats to make Cowher look better, not counting his last year. HA!

I don't think Ike was "cherry-picking" stats, I believe it was an honest mistake. And actually, you can add one year to his statement, as the 2001 Steelers also made the playoffs. So, they've missed the playoffs 5 times in the last 15 seasons.

Or 8 in the last 18, if you'd prefer to cherry-pick Cowher's worst stretch.

Or 8 in the last 24, if you'd like to include the entire tenures of the last two head coaches, including Cowher's first six seasons which all included a postseason berth.


p.s. '06 WAS Cowher's last year. HA!

 

[topseed]

Thanks Topseed to catching and correcting me this. 2009 I think we lost the tiebreaker to either the NY or Balt. I also wouldn't consider myself a 'math/data guy", 'rather more of a common sense guy. So here is the updated sentence which still doesn't change the intent of the statement...

Until this year, which after Cam's injuries, may well indeed be a losing record, it will be the first one under Tomlin. It will also be the first time we haven't been to the playoffs since 2013. In fact, we've only missed the playoffs 5 times in 14 years (2 with Cowher, 3 with Tomlin). The last two seasons were winning records 11-5, 10-6 respectively and a trip to the playoffs. Tomlin's team hasn't gotten it done and won a championship that's a fact, but neither has the majority of the other 31 coaches. The team you appear to favor above all others have won the same amount of championships since 2007 as the Steelers but have loss more.

You are welcome, sir. At least I'm good for something.