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I'm sure Harrison is way slower than JJ, yet he mastered the ROLB position (weakside)
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I'm sure Harrison is way slower than JJ, yet he mastered the ROLB position (weakside)
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Coach, its an outdated test and like other IQ tests if you want to categorize this as such does not measure a couple very important elements when it comes to playing football. Heart and determination. As someone mentioned earlier, this is not rocket science. The kid does not need to be proficient in quantum physics Coach just learning to play a fricking defense in the NFL. He's not going to be asked to perform complex calculations, perform an operation, or even come up with tax loop holes for pete sake. Its football and sometimes we try and make this much more complicated than it really is.
If you base your logic on this test then why are so many of these kids successful in the NFL that had low scores? Marino is a perfect example. He score low for a QB but puts up HOF career numbers. You do know that there are folks that are very intelligent that just cannot take tests like this. They freeze up and generally bomb on them. You're putting way too much into this test.
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The perfect athlete: Big (6'-4) , fast (4.19), top vertical (43")High Wonderful Licks, part-time chaplain or Manatee Rescue volunteer who chews titanium bolts in his free time and squats 700lbs
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I know someone that would have a problem with that guy.
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Dupree should be able to play either side. He's fast enough for weak side and big enough for strong side.
Ultimately, it think his position will be determined by others like Jarvis and Chickillo. Jarvis is not big enough to play strong. So if you still plan on Jarvis then you have to be thinking Dupree will play strong.
what if Jarvis stinks again? Then it depends on who else steps up. If Chickillo is a player, then his best fit may be strong side because he has size and has experience as a 3-4 DE. Then you can play Dupree on the weak side. Harrison can sub at either spot.
if Dupree and Chickillo are good, maybe you transition Jarvis to ILB. Jarvis does play hard and seems to have a nose for the ball, he's just not a pass rusher at the NFL level. If Jarvis can play inside, then in a year, you may be able to re-sign him cheap and let Timmons go to save money. That's assuming Shazier turns out to be a good player.
Ultimately, it think his position will be determined by others like Jarvis and Chickillo. Jarvis is not big enough to play strong. So if you still plan on Jarvis then you have to be thinking Dupree will play strong.
what if Jarvis stinks again? Then it depends on who else steps up. If Chickillo is a player, then his best fit may be strong side because he has size and has experience as a 3-4 DE. Then you can play Dupree on the weak side. Harrison can sub at either spot.
if Dupree and Chickillo are good, maybe you transition Jarvis to ILB. Jarvis does play hard and seems to have a nose for the ball, he's just not a pass rusher at the NFL level. If Jarvis can play inside, then in a year, you may be able to re-sign him cheap and let Timmons go to save money. That's assuming Shazier turns out to be a good player.
I am not convinced he always plays hard.......... what I saw in training camp tells me he is at the very least inconsistent in this area.
Actually if you follow the link from the baltisore site it links to a news paper site in Wisconsin for the packers and quotes an unnamed scout for this information. Still no real credibility there either because no source is listed. This could be nothing more than an attempt to get a guy to fall or just inaccurate information. The kid was smart enough to grasp and play multiple roles on the team and was a former tight end so hesitating might have been his role.
If he didn't eat the #2 pencil that he was using for the test, I'm fine.
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As a linebacker, I think would have been more confident if he ate his pencil and his test.
Coincidentally, Jarvis Jones also scored a 13 on his Wonderlic. To go along with his ****** 40-time.
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And the desk, and the chair...
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The only knock I can see on "Durpee" is his shuttle and shorter arms than most guys his height.
Jarvis Jones has 33" arms at 6'-2"
Dupree has 32 5/8" arms at 6'-4"
Lamarr Woodley has 32 7/8" arms at 6'-1 1/2"
Likewise, in another post I related that no elite edge rusher since 2000 has had a shuttle over 4.42 (Woodley was 4.42), Dupree was a 4.48.
IMO, he won't need the arms or the shuttle if he learns a few moves on the left side.
Jarvis Jones has 33" arms at 6'-2"
Dupree has 32 5/8" arms at 6'-4"
Lamarr Woodley has 32 7/8" arms at 6'-1 1/2"
Likewise, in another post I related that no elite edge rusher since 2000 has had a shuttle over 4.42 (Woodley was 4.42), Dupree was a 4.48.
IMO, he won't need the arms or the shuttle if he learns a few moves on the left side.
What's James Harrison's arm length, dude is a T-Wrecks!
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This is true ^^
Harrison has always been strong enough to 'one-hand' press an OT and has made his career out of the single arm hook-dip-rip move. This is why I think it's important for Dupree to work with him. Dupree got 'locked-up' in college trying to use two hands to engage and then had trouble getting off his blocks. He doesn't own a single-arm pass rush move and can learn from the best. Lots of guys have learned it. Dumervil, Harrison, Matthews and Wake to name a few have all learned to use leverage instead of length to get guys off of them. Dupree will too.
Harrison has always been strong enough to 'one-hand' press an OT and has made his career out of the single arm hook-dip-rip move. This is why I think it's important for Dupree to work with him. Dupree got 'locked-up' in college trying to use two hands to engage and then had trouble getting off his blocks. He doesn't own a single-arm pass rush move and can learn from the best. Lots of guys have learned it. Dumervil, Harrison, Matthews and Wake to name a few have all learned to use leverage instead of length to get guys off of them. Dupree will too.
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Wonderlic is overrated. Thuggs down in Baltimore scored a 31.
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I hope he learns more than this move. Harrison has been getting the choke hold deployed on him for a while now. With nothing really else in his bag of tricks it really hurt the last part of his career.
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The OTs learned it from Mayweather
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Pencil? With his results it had to be nontoxic crayons. lol
An article in today's Trib:
Here's what Dupree's head coach at UK had to say:
“He's exceptional with the amount of defense that he can take in,” Stoops said. “Obviously, there will be some adjustment period with transitioning to an NFL team, but he was just exceptional with the way he had great instincts and also great intelligence with picking up schemes and making calls for us defensively and audibling to certain blitzes based on formations.”
Read more: http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/8316028-74/stoops-dupree-coach#ixzz3ZSMGZ58r
I get that Stoops is going to speak glowingly about his former players (that's just what coaches do in this situation), but does anyone really think those words came out of Stoops' mouth even though his true opinion is that Dupree is as dumb as a box of rocks???
Here's what Dupree's head coach at UK had to say:
“He's exceptional with the amount of defense that he can take in,” Stoops said. “Obviously, there will be some adjustment period with transitioning to an NFL team, but he was just exceptional with the way he had great instincts and also great intelligence with picking up schemes and making calls for us defensively and audibling to certain blitzes based on formations.”
Read more: http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/8316028-74/stoops-dupree-coach#ixzz3ZSMGZ58r
I get that Stoops is going to speak glowingly about his former players (that's just what coaches do in this situation), but does anyone really think those words came out of Stoops' mouth even though his true opinion is that Dupree is as dumb as a box of rocks???
Good Post Al was just about to post this. This could explain the lack of instincts the scouts saw. He was new to the position. Didn't even have a position coach. Once this guy gets with Porter and Harrison we may have something special.
Coach'll find a way to make this sense into nonsense...
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It's on several sites. What's noteworthy is Durpee took the test twice. His first score was a 12. For those who care here are the wonderlic Scores.
Quarterbacks:
40: Sean Mannion
33: Marcus Mariota
31: Bryce Petty
31: Cody Fajardo
27: Jameis Winston
26: Brett Hundley
25: Shane Carden
22: Connor Halliday
20: Anthony Boone
20: Garrett Grayson
Wide Receivers:
34: Darren Waller
24: Rashad Greene
22: Jaelen Strong
22: Jake Kumerow
21: Amari Cooper
20: Dorial Green-Beckham
19: Andrew DeBose
15: DeVante Parker
14: Sammie Coates
11: Mario Alford (re-test after scoring 5 the first time)
Tight Ends:
32: Tyler Kroft
30: Justin Sinz
29: Max Williams
Running Backs:
35: Zach Zenner
28: Tyler Varga
24: Jay Ajayi
20: Melvin Gordon
12: Buck Allen
12: Todd Gurley
Offensive Linemen:
40: Corey Robinson
33: Ali Marpet
29: Mitch Morse
28: Hronnis Grasu
27: Andrus Peat
26: Dallas Lewallen
25: Rob Havenstein
23: Zac Epping
23: Cedric Ogbuehi
23: Laken Tomlinson
22: Brandon Scherff
14: John Miller (re-test after scoring 7 the first time)
12: D.J. Humphries
12: La'el Collins
Linebackers
33: Davis Tull
32: Eric Kendricks
29: Vic Beasley
29: Hau'oli Kikaha
28: Randy Gregory
28: Jordan Hicks
23: Stephone Anthony
22: Jake Ryan
21: Nate Orchard
20: Paul Dawson
20: Shane Ray
17: Denzel Perryman
16: Dante Fowler
14: Bernardrick McKinney
13: Bud Dupree (re-test after scoring 12 the first time)
Defensive Linemen:
43: Michael Bennett
36: Henry Anderson
32: Cameron Bottecelli
31: Grady Jarrett
26: Arik Armstead
24: Trey Flowers
24: Mike Hardy
23: Danny Shelton
22: Leonard Williams
19: Malcom Brown
19: Warren Herring
Defensive Backs
33: Byron Jones
30: Alex Carter
28: Jalen Collins
26: Ibraheim Campbell
23: Eric Rowe (re-test after scoring 11 the first time)
20: Trae Waynes
18: P.J. Williams
18: Damarious Randall
17: Landon Collins
17: Ronald Darby
17: Kevin Johnson
13: Marcus Peters
12: James Sample
Specialists:
31: Josh Lambo
30: Joe Cardona
29: Andrew East
25: Will Hagerup
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