Football Team releases Dwayne Haskins

[Drink IRON City]

Not ******** on the guy but certainly saying what I said last year. I did not see enough to suggest he will be anything more than a mediocre QB. I don't see the next Franchise in him which is what I mean when I say the guy. He may well be the next man up, but he won't be the franchise.

I agree but also remember Fichtner's offensive scheme has made a HOF Franchise QB look pretty plain as well. Mason might partly be that factor (fate of the Fichtner) as well.



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[Hoot]

I agree but also remember Fichtner's offensive scheme has made a HOF Franchise QB look pretty plain as well. Mason might partly be that factor (fate of the Fichtner) as well.



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I get it, but I never saw any real flash from him and his arm strength doesn't seem to be there.

 

[Frosty]

Not with the Ravens dick... this guy has red flags all over him... the coaches didn’t want him drafted... he has a massive attitude issue... his work ethnic is ******... he was a first round pick cut in his second season in the midst of a playoff run at a position of need, and the most important position on the team... he is 23... the age most guys are drafted at...

Either Rivera and his staff are idiots, or he has massive, terrible problems .....

I remember when he was drafted. He thought for sure he was a top three pick. When he was interviewed after being drafted at #15 he said "The league done messed up."

 

[jitter77]

I agree but also remember Fichtner's offensive scheme has made a HOF Franchise QB look pretty plain as well. Mason might partly be that factor (fate of the Fichtner) as well.



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While I agree with your point I agree with Hoot about the arm. Mason's arm seems unbelievably weak for a pro QB. I dont know if it could be mechanics or hesitation or whatever, but his arm does not pass the eye test at all. As for Haskins he must have had some real issues to cut him with one game left. Maybe they found out he lied about his recent party, plus he skipped his press conference. He is young so maybe he can be fixed, but it is not likely. At this point all he has going for him is his size and he has a big arm.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

I'm not sold on Murray yet. And for every one of those guys there is a Haskins, Daniel Jones, Darnold, Rosen, Trubisky, Watson

ill take watson in a hot minute

 

[SteelerSask2]

ill take watson in a hot minute

Not on his current price tag no thanks pass. I certainly wouldn't put him as a failure but he had good teams and did nothing much. He got to his big contract playing pretty mediocre.
Look Mason as franchise. More than d oubtful. Cause statistically that term is pretty small. But I would like to see more before they cut bait. That's all.

 

[johngaenzler]

What about Gardner Minshew assuming the Jags are taking Lawrence? Is he a true talent or a fluke? I haven’t watched him enough to have an opinion...


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[FSF]

Franchise QB's have never been easy to find. This is why I have tried to enjoy Ben as much as possible. The time between TB and BB was a long and bumpy ride. I don't expect the ride after BB and the next one to be any smoother (although hopefully shorter)

I also have tried to enjoy Ben as much as possible. I was too young to appreciate Terry Bradshaw in the San Diego playoff game and vs. the Jets in his final game.

Every year from 1984-2004 I was searching and wanting the Steelers to find a QB.
Almost every draft I used to scour and rate to see if there was a QB for us to take.
In truth, especially in the 1990s, there were not that many good QBs to be drafted -- it got better late in the decade, but there was a real dry spell.

Nonetheless, I will admit that I was devastated when we drafted a Guard: John Reinstra #9 Overall in 1986 when I was certain we would take Chuck Long. While they were both monumental busts, I found it odd that Noll said they were happy with the QB situation but still used a 3rd round pick on Bubby Brister.

I hated Stoudt, but I was one of the first to be on the "Should have drafted Dan Marino bandwagon"

I never understood why Chuck Noll went with Mark Malone over David Woodley, but doesn't matter since both were garbage.

The one that angered me the most was NOT trading for Steve Young in 1987, then trading for Todd Blackledge in 1988 and attempting to trade for Jack Trudeau after that. If we took Marino, we likely never would have gotten Rod Woodson, but oh how amazing that team could have been with a core of Young, Woodson, Lloyd, etc.

It wasn't long after the Neil O'Donnell pick that I remember reading an NFL GM questioning the Steelers QB strategy -- never trying to find a great QB as it was against his mindset. I think we were all happy to see Neil go,

I would be remiss if I didn't say I badly wanted Todd Marinovich in 1991. But dear god we took Huey Richardson. *I really did a lot of mock drafts at this time, and Brett Favre was a guy I was intrigued with. I've never claimed I wanted us to take him, but the way the Jets (GM Ron Wolf) wanted him then traded a #1 pick for him to go to GB the next year....before he was a star it kinda irked me....

I hated the Browns, yet wanted us to pick up Bernie Kosar and insert him in for O'Donnell. No, he goes to Dallas.

I was on the Kordell bandwagon in 1997 and firmly off by 1998.

I was pissed Dante Culpepper was drafted a few picks before us in 1999.

I was livid we took Plaxico Burress over Chad Pennington in 2000.

I was literally on knees praying for Drew Brees to be our 1st round pick in 2001.

I hoped Kordell would get injured in 2001 and Tommy Maddox would start and was outright calling for Maddox in 2002 to be the starter before the season.

I was wrong on a lot of guys through the years, but one thing that must be done when Ben retires, don't sit on hands hoping for someone to drop. Be aggressive and trade up, even if its one lousy pick, if you think he's the guy. Don't wait and hope cuz it could be a long while. The Chiefs got aggressive with Patrick Mahomes, the Packers were aggressive with Brett Favre and lucky with Aaron Rodgers. The Eagles made a good move for Carson Wentz, the Browns just drafted trash, it's a gamble. But the worst thing to do is sit and hope for your guy to drop, because it can be a long time before you get lucky enough for it to happen.

 

[CoolieMan]

damn you mentioned a lot of guys who I would love to forget were ever part of the Steelers

I am old enough to have enjoyed watching Bradshaw play and living through those "QBs" you named was hell. Neil offered some hope but yeah, by the time he hit Larry Brown Jr the second time I was ready for him to ******* go anywhere...

one of my brothers was a raider fan growing up and he talked so much **** when Marinovich was drafted....HA

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Radio reporting that he is the first and only QB drafted in the first round to be cut by the team that drafted him in less than two seasons.

 

[Badcat]

The smart play here is to model the "Post Ben" Steelers after the 2000 Ravens. The Steelers have a GREAT defense, Mason Rudolph can play the role of Trent Dilfer and be a game manager. We need to get some road grading OL and a damn good back the next two years. This also helps with our cap woes, Franchise QBs are cap killers.

 

[Coach]

Franchise QB's have never been easy to find. This is why I have tried to enjoy Ben as much as possible. The time between TB and BB was a long and bumpy ride. I don't expect the ride after BB and the next one to be any smoother (although hopefully shorter)

He was 1st round disappointment with a bad attitude. Why would we want him? I think his successor is a title over rated at OSU as well

 

[Drink IRON City]

I get it, but I never saw any real flash from him and his arm strength doesn't seem to be there.

TOTALY agree but just wanted to put a little demise on the OC characteristics of taking great talent and minimizing as opposed to taking minimum talent and totally minimizing it. Rudolf is back up at best but when asked to flourish in Fichtner's system,.... Well yopu've seen that outcome.




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[thesteelcity]

The smart play here is to model the "Post Ben" Steelers after the 2000 Ravens. The Steelers have a GREAT defense, Mason Rudolph can play the role of Trent Dilfer and be a game manager. We need to get some road grading OL and a damn good back the next two years. This also helps with our cap woes, Franchise QBs are cap killers.

last night during MNF, they mentioned the Bills kept their center and got four new OLinemen in the off-season. I'm not suggesting that with this team, but they definitly need an overhaul to get younger and tougher.

 

[Badcat]

He was 1st round disappointment with a bad attitude. Why would we want him? I think his successor is a title over rated at OSU as well

Ohio State and Florida turn out the biggest busts at QB. The teams that draft Trask and Fields in this upcoming draft are idiots.

 

[Coach]

Ohio State and Florida turn out the biggest busts at QB. The teams that draft Trask and Fields in this upcoming draft are idiots.

I'm divided on Trask. Reports say he's a humble guy. He leads his receivers very well, and can throw for 400 yards vs. teams like Alabama, BUT his deep ball is iffy and he's going to be easy to sack. He fits best in a west coast style offense, with a good OL.


Fields looks more like a system QB who good at using OSU talent and his legs. OSU has had many guys who were hyped and did the same but disappointed in the pros. Haskins, C Jones, JT Barrett ,T Pryor ad B Miller to make a few. The times when Fields under pressure, he folds. He did not close strong either.

The guy I like is Mac Jones. I know Alabama has 10 first round pick playing, but it's hard to nit pick at what he does. that accuracy in the SEC...wow. Jones to me won't be Ben or a deep passer, BUT give him a good running game and he's going to move the chains with the best of them. If we can somehow obtain Jones in round two, I'd like it. But he might be gone before we pick in round one. Would I take him in round one? That's a big maybe. If Nick Saban privately signs off on him, make that a yes. He reminds me of Kenny Anderson, a very good, but not quite great NFL QB.

 

[Coryea]

Ohio State and Florida turn out the biggest busts at QB. The teams that draft Trask and Fields in this upcoming draft are idiots.

I don't know, Tim Tebow, Rex Grossman, Danny Wuerffel just screams elite.

 

[thesteelcity]

I don't know, Tim Tebow, Rex Grossman, Danny Wuerffel just screams elite.

i have no ill will toward him, as he seems like a good guy, but he ripped my heart out. Of all QBs to torture us. . . Tim freakin' Tebow!

 

[slashsteel]

I'm divided on Trask. Reports say he's a humble guy. He leads his receivers very well, and can throw for 400 yards vs. teams like Alabama, BUT his deep ball is iffy and he's going to be easy to sack. He fits best in a west coast style offense, with a good OL.


Fields looks more like a system QB who good at using OSU talent and his legs. OSU has had many guys who were hyped and did the same but disappointed in the pros. Haskins, C Jones, JT Barrett ,T Pryor ad B Miller to make a few. The times when Fields under pressure, he folds. He did not close strong either.

The guy I like is Mac Jones. I know Alabama has 10 first round pick playing, but it's hard to nit pick at what he does. If we can somehow obtain Jones in round two, I'd like it. But he might be gone before we pick in round one.

And so it begins. The beginning of your rotation of who you like. Build up your list then we will hear how you where high on this guy. You were just slobbering on Trask. Next up! [emoji28]

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[Badcat]

I'm divided on Trask. Reports say he's a humble guy. He leads his receivers very well, and can throw for 400 yards vs. teams like Alabama, BUT his deep ball is iffy and he's going to be easy to sack. He fits best in a west coast style offense, with a good OL.


Fields looks more like a system QB who good at using OSU talent and his legs. OSU has had many guys who were hyped and did the same but disappointed in the pros. Haskins, C Jones, JT Barrett ,T Pryor ad B Miller to make a few. The times when Fields under pressure, he folds. He did not close strong either.

The guy I like is Mac Jones. I know Alabama has 10 first round pick playing, but it's hard to nit pick at what he does. If we can somehow obtain Jones in round two, I'd like it. But he might be gone before we pick in round one.

That isn't the problem with Florida QBs or with Trask. Florida loads up on talent at the WR position and the QBs don't work through progressions. Once they hit the NFL and have to read a defense it's over. Justin Haskins only makes sense in Baltimore as he fits that system. I agree on Jones, If he's there in the late first round, I grab him. Plenty of OL depth in the draft to grab a RT in the second round.

 

[Coach]

And so it begins. The beginning of your rotation of who you like. Build up your list then we will hear how you where high on this guy. You were just slobbering on Trask. Next up! [emoji28]

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My ability on who to pick towers above yours. Right now, I like Jones arm, accuracy and and mobility over Trask's. I also said I'd trade out 1-4 and next years #1 for Trevor Lawrence. No team is that stupid, well maybe the Jags are.

Try making such boats sometimes, I'll laugh in you face. The last one was Claypool is a third round talent. How does 10 touchdowns sound as a rookie with a bad OC who loves Johnson?

The players I like tend to do well in the NFL, I have a long list of guys I wanted picked within range of what we could have had that exceed who we picked .

This is a good QB class. Ben is old. Now is the time to pick his replacement.

 

[Coach]

That isn't the problem with Florida QBs or with Trask. Florida loads up on talent at the WR position and the QBs don't work through progressions. Once they hit the NFL and have to read a defense it's over. Justin Haskins only makes sense in Baltimore as he fits that system. I agree on Jones, If he's there in the late first round, I grab him. Plenty of OL depth in the draft to grab a RT in the second round.

But that's what I like about Trask. His ability to read the field is a strength. His arm and ball security could be issues. Best fit a west coast offense and dome or warm weather team.

I think Fields is over rated as a quarterback, but physically he has the goods. I'm with you on Jones. NFL Teams value tackles. By our pick in round two, 8-10 of then will be off the board. I'm rather pick a quality Center or Guard at that spot when only 2-4 will be off the board.

 

[Badcat]

My ability on who to pick towers above yours.

Let's get one thing straight, you're a man who has an opinion on a football message board. You hold no credentials and no one values your opinion enough to pay for it, You nor I have anymore ability to spot talent than the next man or woman on this board.

 

[slashsteel]

My ability on who to pick towers above yours. Right now, I like Jones arm, accuracy and and mobility over Trask's. I also said I'd trade out 1-4 and next years #1 for Trevor Lawrence. No team is that stupid, well maybe the Jags are.

Try making such boats sometimes, I'll laugh in you face. The last one was Claypool is a third round talent. How does 10 touchdowns sound as a rookie with a bad OC who loves Johnson?

The players I like tend to do well in the NFL, I have a long list of guys I wanted picked within range of what we could have had that exceed who we picked .

This is a good QB class. Ben is old. Now is the time to pick his replacement.

You tower over nobody when it comes to anything football or draft related. You repeat Claypool over and over yet I was simply a round off. Where you pick busts over and over again then shovel them under the carpet or simply ride the coat tail of someone else's eval. You laughing in my face means absolutely nothing when almost everyone laughs at your crazy *** analysis daily. Yeah I know your unrealistic trade scenerios. You would trade over half the team away if you had the opportunity. Yeah, "right now" you like is appropriate verbiage from you as that changes early and often. As I said keep building that list you are sure to get one right eventually! [emoji28]

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[Superman]

From Facebook, for what it's worth:

Imagine you are Dwayne Haskins:
- Your own college coach repeatedly expressed concerns regarding your maturity level and judgment
- No NFL GMs had you rated as an early/mid 1st rounder, while many had you rated a 3rd rounder....or worse.
- You held a draft day party at a hometown bowling alley....and charged admission for anyone who wanted to attend/support you.
- You are drafted 15th overall, against the wishes of the front office/coaching staff of the team drafting you. The pick was exclusively the owner's call.....and made presumably because you WENT TO HS WITH HIS SON. Your response to being drafted in the first round.....and being handed an opportunity no other team was ready to give you at that position? "The league done messed up (by not drafting me sooner)".
- You join a team who had (the previous year) lost their veteran QB to a catastrophic, and seemingly career-ending, injury.....putting you in a position to potentially earn the starting job at some point during your rookie year. You show up to your first camp overweight, and immediately become disinterested when you find out you won't be handed the starting job immediately. You pout and refuse to take direction from your coaches.
- Near the end of the season, you get the opportunity to start. You get your first win at home vs the Detroit Lions. Instead of being on the field to take a knee/run out the clock, you are nowhere to be found and another QB must run out there and take the snaps. Why? Because you are busy taking selfies with fans in the stands.
- A new regime takes over before your second year. You now have a chance to have a clean slate/make a first impression with a coaching staff highly respected throughout the league. Your response? You consistently spend the least amount of time of any QB on the roster preparing/studying.....leading your coach to question your commitment.
- Training camp opens. Your lack of preparation, in addition to poor accuracy and timing, is on display immediately. A potential HOF linebacker (Thomas Davis) attempts to take you aside and give you help from the defensive perspective. "As a linebacker reading your eyes, body language, etc.....here's what you can work on to make life tougher for defenders". You tell him he has no idea what he's talking about.
- You (somehow) are allowed to begin the season as the starter. You are underwhelming at the very best. The coaching staff must throw half of their playbook away because you simply never bothered to learn it. After an ugly home loss to the Ravens, you are jovial in the locker room (infuriating team leaders) bragging about what a great day you had for your "fantasy owners".
- You are finally benched. Your response? You immediately unfollow your team, your coaches, and multiple teammates on social media. You call in "sick" the day of the next game.
- While the THIRD string QB on the depth chart, your team takes a trip to play the Giants. NFL covid protocol strictly prohibits players from bringing family members to the team hotel. What do you do? You BOOK A SUITE for friends and family, and hang out in an enclosed environment with them all the night before a game.
- While in the middle of a playoff race, due to multiple injuries, you somehow find your way back into a starting role. You lose a crippling game at home, with multiple displays of the flaws that have followed you since college. Your response? You host a hotel party, with no masks to be seen (on the photos your girlfriend thought it would be logical to POST ON THE INTERNET).
- The day after the party, you are at the team facility. You have now placed the entire team in jeopardy of either being exposed or you personally being suspended/the team being forced by the league to forfeit the next game (again, during a division race where every game is critical). All with the knowledge that your HC just finished chemotherapy and is severely IMMUNOCOMPROMISED!
- Alex Smith is likely in a position where he won't be able to play. Rivera would likely be sealing the team's (2020) doom by cutting Haskins now, since there are no other QBs currently left on the active roster. I, for one, will be fine with this. Missing out on a division title in the short term, while staying consistent to what has been preached during the Rivera culture change, will be worth it. It will send the correct message, and open the door to truly build on what's happened this season. If I were Ron, this kid would not even be allowed back in the building. He has already destroyed 100% of what little trade value he once had. Cut. The. Cord.