I remember that well. I was a kid but i remember. Eveyone loved Joe Gillam at one point.
When was the last time a QB looked bad/avg well into year 2, and still turned out to
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I remember that well. I was a kid but i remember. Eveyone loved Joe Gillam at one point.
I demand no fucktards.
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We lost that game
Just because Bey was a first rounder doesn't mean he's first round talent. Jarvis Jones? Ziggy Hood? Troy Edwards?
The point was someone said put Ben in there and he would've done no better.
Yeah, not because of the QB, Touissant fumbled in scoring range. The point is someone said look at who he was throwing to, Ben would do no better. That was as **** WR corp that day, playing against a dominant defense, not the 3-6 Cleveland Browns.
See here's a perfect example of someone trying justify Rudolph playing bad while ripping Ben
Funny, everyone blames the WR's for drops for Mason, everyone quickly says the WR should've caught that ball that was picked. Go back and watch the highlights, 1st INT was an AB special where he cut his route off, Ben throws down the seem, AB cuts it off. 2nd INT right through Jesse James hands and into the Browns DB's hands. Let me guess those picks only count for Ben, but not far to count towards Rudolph?
Oh and Ben threw for 335 yards, and our offense scored 21 points, but yes Ben looked just as bad????
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Most QBs struggle in their first few starts. Tom Brady wasn’t that good in his second year when they won the super bowl. That team was all defense and running and screen passes. Aaron Rodgers didn’t even start for like 3 or 4 years and then was not great for a time.
Also factor in that Rudolph has no run game, sketchy protection and mostly unproven WRs. Vance now looks slow too. Teams just double JuJu and blitz and that’s pretty much it. The end result is that Rudolph is under pressure on most plays and holding the ball waiting for WRs who are not really open.
Rudolph has not been great but you have to be realistic and acknowledge that he’s in a near impossible situation.
Then there are the dropped balls. Even last night, we saw Hunt make a spectacular catch on a 3rd down to keep a drive moving. Later, you saw a backup rookie TE make a TD grab while snatching the ball over Barron. The Steelers WRs had multiple drops again, and on some of the deep shots, they made poor plays on catchable balls.
Look at how Aaron Rodgers struggled last year. His WRs were injured. Their scheme was terrible and not utilizing the RBs in the pass game and he was under pressure. I’m not saying Rudolph is Rodgers and just needs better WRs. Just pointing out that QBs need help to succeed. Even the best will struggle without protection and reliable WRs.
Also factor in that Rudolph has no run game, sketchy protection and mostly unproven WRs. Vance now looks slow too. Teams just double JuJu and blitz and that’s pretty much it. The end result is that Rudolph is under pressure on most plays and holding the ball waiting for WRs who are not really open.
Rudolph has not been great but you have to be realistic and acknowledge that he’s in a near impossible situation.
Then there are the dropped balls. Even last night, we saw Hunt make a spectacular catch on a 3rd down to keep a drive moving. Later, you saw a backup rookie TE make a TD grab while snatching the ball over Barron. The Steelers WRs had multiple drops again, and on some of the deep shots, they made poor plays on catchable balls.
Look at how Aaron Rodgers struggled last year. His WRs were injured. Their scheme was terrible and not utilizing the RBs in the pass game and he was under pressure. I’m not saying Rudolph is Rodgers and just needs better WRs. Just pointing out that QBs need help to succeed. Even the best will struggle without protection and reliable WRs.
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I get tired of seeing this. Brees played with the Chargers 5 years. He was great his 4th and 5th years. He made the pro-bowl in his 4th. They didn't resign him because he hurt his arm. Not because of his play. Also his 2nd year was a good year as well.
And he probably wouldnt have, except for his own skillz at this point in his career.
Mason was working with sub par receivers in the 2nd half, on a short week.
Go read up on Drew brees... accuracy issues, weak arm...got one meaningless game his rookie season then over the next two seasons benched 3 times for guys like doug flutie... he was about to be benched a fourth time in his fourth season for rivers when he finally put it all together... greatest passer of this generation now...
He literally says he was on the verge of being benched in his fourth year...
That is not what he says in his own words....
so what, he was throwing behind people all game, underthrowing people all game, getting happy feet and not stepping into his throws, that has nothing to do with the WR's.
He hit Samuels what 13 times a couple weeks ago, he was throwing behind him.
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He made the pro-bowl that year. He had 27 TD and 7 picks that year. After 7 games he had 9 Tds and 3 picks. After 7 games he had a 95.8 passer rating. He had a 65.6% comp. He may have thought that but I have no idea why they would bench someone with those numbers.
And again he was hurt and had to have surgery. They weren't sure how well he'd be able to throw when he came back. So they let him leave.
again, much harder to pass then in the NFL, 1 guy had a QB rating of 100 at the end of that season, and it was 100.4
He played with the chargers 4 years... his rookie where he got some garbage time after an injury to flutie
His second season he averaged 200 yards per game, a 60% completion ratio, had 17 td and 16 interceptions and a 6.2 ypa average...
The next season he was miserable having 3 games below a hundred yards passing, getting repeatedly benched, throwing for 11 tds and 15 picks in limited games...
The chargers got Rivers at the draft that offseason. Brees started slowly in 04 then took off to have a huge year... the chargers let him walk in the off-season
That doesn’t change the absolute fact that the things brees struggled with are much of the things Rudolph does and all of them were fixed with conditioning, experience, and coaching...
Or that the vadt majrity of masons contemporaries at his age and starting experience show the same issues and have simular stats...
The ones with success typically have simplified offenses tailored to them, a strong run game, and an experienced wr corps... we are still running the playbook bulit for a hof qb...
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I think you have to decide if you are trying to win or are you evaluating Rudolph for the future. If you are trying to win, then I think you have to explore more options at QB. If you are just trying to get a sense of what Mason is, then leave him in. Personally, I think we've seen Rudolph's ceiling. Every game is the same. He is either afraid to go downfield or he's not allowed. If he's not allowed, that is more problematic because it suggests the coaches don't trust him. And if they don't trust him, why is he in there? I expect the Steelers will beat the Bengals next week. Then it is round two with Cleveland.
If Rudolph stays on the same trajectory, I say give someone else a shot. How much worse could it be, really?
If Rudolph stays on the same trajectory, I say give someone else a shot. How much worse could it be, really?
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Vegas has us 4 to 1 getting Kap
The only thing that has impressed me about Mason so far is his Grease Lightning hair.
He cant throw a deep ball to save his life. He is getting through his reads WAYYYY too slow. Even when he is dumping the ball off he is taking awhile to make that decision too. Resulting in him STILL getting hit on a 2 yard dump pass.
There is not much the Steelers can do at this point of the season, but moving into next year they HAVE to pick up a solid backup/prospect regardless of Ben being back
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He cant throw a deep ball to save his life. He is getting through his reads WAYYYY too slow. Even when he is dumping the ball off he is taking awhile to make that decision too. Resulting in him STILL getting hit on a 2 yard dump pass.
There is not much the Steelers can do at this point of the season, but moving into next year they HAVE to pick up a solid backup/prospect regardless of Ben being back
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3rd round investment you dont play yo yo with him. Let him sink or swim. Find out what you have. And part of that is seeing how responds to a bad game. He was the only guy that had a bad game last nite.
Mason basically redshirted his first year. Didnt get any reps in practice except when Ben didnt practice. Split reps all offseason with Dobbs and now thrown into the fire. Last nite was the first bad game for him to me. But he also wasnt alone in that fact..play the kid and see how he bounces back so you can make a proper judgment on him. Too early to pull the plug
I'd like to see what he can do with a good O line, strong running back and WRs that are more reliable and can get separation.
He's pretty much on an island back there, has been knocked unconscious once already, and has no time to throw. I don't think he's the second coming of Dan Marino but I also think it's too early to throw him on the scrap heap with Woodley, Stoudt, Graham. Malone, Miller, Tomczak, etc. etc. If he continues to struggle with a healthy team around him, then yes it's time to look elsewhere but the kid acts like he has the heart of a champ. Best tackle all night was when he threw that Brown defender out of bounds after the int.
He's pretty much on an island back there, has been knocked unconscious once already, and has no time to throw. I don't think he's the second coming of Dan Marino but I also think it's too early to throw him on the scrap heap with Woodley, Stoudt, Graham. Malone, Miller, Tomczak, etc. etc. If he continues to struggle with a healthy team around him, then yes it's time to look elsewhere but the kid acts like he has the heart of a champ. Best tackle all night was when he threw that Brown defender out of bounds after the int.