LeVeon Bell......Signs with J-E-T-S JETS! JETS!! JETS!!!.....BREAKING NEWS!!!

[Vincent]

You can be all "hahaha Bell got pwned" but consider that a player in his prime wanted out of our team SO badly that he was willing to forgo a year of salary to escape.

We look like the idiot chumps, not him

Indeed.

 

[steelreeling]

Can people please stop acting like the Steelers would have cut Bell at any time within 3 years of signing the 5 year deal? He was getting that money. The Steelers almost always honor their star players contracts


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And if he gets hurt or God forbid, gets old an loses a step in January? Also, Bell cannot do business assuming that he will automatically be "getting that money". Do you do business that way? Know anyone else who does it that way?

The CBA lock-out is coming in 2 years. So Bell limits his downside with guaranteed money, very smart. He's incredibly young still. Look what AP is doing in Washington. Would you really tell that young man that he's so limited: take anything you can get - even if its only $10M in guaranteed money despite being a generational talent?

 

[t-man]

Is it so incredible and beyond belief that Bell plays one more year into his 30's because he sat out last year and has better longevity from less wear and tear? 14.5M recouped.

If he's that' ******* fragile, then why pay him anything guaranteed? He claimed he was holding out last year to preserve his body, but his body still aged a year, and he made zero dollars during that time. If he signs the deal we had, and has the confidence he will be healthy and produce all that time, it's all guaranteed money, if he doesn't think he can, then why the **** should I, as an owner?

Joe

 

[steelreeling]

Human body can only take so many hits. Sitting out preserves his health. There's no legitimate reason that he cannot make that golden 14.5M some other season and keep a very high annual salary.

This whole thing is like a marginal benefit over marginal cost business management problem. Why do fans start with the assumption that Bell is not worth the security he is seeking and instead is only worth a top-line number on an offer?

 

[steelreeling]

Not only that, but they'd be in cap hell if they cut a 70 million dollar contract guy after one or two seasons.

What if Bell gets into with Big Ben like AB? hmmm Steelers gonna not cut whom? they TOOK cap hell to trade AB for nothing.

Don't say that it couldn't happen.

 

[t-man]

Human body can only take so many hits. Sitting out preserves his health. There's no legitimate reason that he cannot make that golden 14.5M some other season and keep a very high annual salary.

This whole thing is like a marginal benefit over marginal cost business management problem. Why do fans start with the assumption that Bell is not worth the security he is seeking and instead is only worth a top-line number on an offer?

The teams goal is to make it to and win a SuperBowl. Bell bet on the deal Gurley signed last year being his ace in the hole barganing chip, turns out it's a lot of the reason he didn't get paid. The Rams built their offense around a guy, then had a scrub come in and for several games perform just as well for a shitload less money, which made the whole league wonder how much of that was his ability, and how much was the Rams line. Then in the SuperBowl, that same offense scored 3 points.

Bell told everyone he sat out last year to preserve his body, I would have asked him if he wasn't willing to bet 14.5 million dollars on being able to make it though ONE season, why I would offer him 30 million dollars? I mean, he's essentially saying he's worried about injury to the point that he doesn't want to risk it for 14.5 million dollars for a year, yet he wants me, as an owner to hand him 30 million and just trust him to stay healthy.

Think long and hard about how stupid I'd have to be to make that deal.

Joe

 

[wig]

despite being a generational talent?

If Bell is a generational talent, Conner must be a multi-generational talent given the fact he put up better numbers in his 2nd year than Bell did in his last with the Steelers.

Hey, Leveon. You may want to add the endzone into your google maps. You seem to have a hard time finding it...

Yo, Leveon. There's nothing in your contract that says you have to stop running at 20 yards. You CAN keep going. Really...

BTW, Leveon, James Conner harbors no ill will. If you'd like him to show you how to pick up an extra yard or two per reception, I'm sure he'd be happy to give you some pointers. He may even throw in a tutorial on increasing your yards per rush as well.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Is it so incredible and beyond belief that Bell plays one more year into his 30's because he sat out last year and has better longevity from less wear and tear? 14.5M recouped.

Maybe he will get 1 more year but that will be a year where he will probably have to take a huge paycut. How does it make sense to trade a year in your prime for an extra year past your prime?

 

[steelreeling]

Maybe he will get 1 more year but that will be a year where he will probably have to take a huge paycut. How does it make sense to trade a year in your prime for an extra year past your prime?

i would be counting on the fact that Bell can ink another good deal that pays him guaranteed money so that, yes his salary does decline in the last year or two as all player's do, but on the balance the deal goes for another 3 years at a high salary. In other words the number of high paying seasons stay the same and the years of salary just getting shifted right one unit.

Of course, the flipside to that is... there is a chance he never gets to sign another high paying deal. So, in effect what i'm saying is that his career can just shift and not decline to a degree that would clip that last year.

 

[steelreeling]

If Bell is a generational talent, Conner must be a multi-generational talent given the fact he put up better numbers in his 2nd year than Bell did in his last with the Steelers.

Hey, Leveon. You may want to add the endzone into your google maps. You seem to have a hard time finding it...

Yo, Leveon. There's nothing in your contract that says you have to stop running at 20 yards. You CAN keep going. Really...

BTW, Leveon, James Conner harbors no ill will. If you'd like him to show you how to pick up an extra yard or two per reception, I'm sure he'd be happy to give you some pointers. He may even throw in a tutorial on increasing your yards per rush as well.

Interesting that you used statistics to underpin your argument. Stats are very utilitarian, outcome-based measures.

Let me ask you this then, is that why the Steelers went 9-6 and missed the playoffs? because we had Conner?

 

[Coryea]

Interesting that you used statistics to underpin your argument. Stats are very utilitarian, outcome-based measures.

Let me ask you this then, is that why the Steelers went 9-6 and missed the playoffs? because we had Conner?

Could be the defense allowing 5 4th quarter leads to evaporate, Steelers scored more points per game without Bell in 2018 than they did with Bell in 2017

 

[steelreeling]

The teams goal is to make it to and win a SuperBowl. Bell bet on the deal Gurley signed last year being his ace in the hole barganing chip, turns out it's a lot of the reason he didn't get paid. The Rams built their offense around a guy, then had a scrub come in and for several games perform just as well for a shitload less money, which made the whole league wonder how much of that was his ability, and how much was the Rams line. Then in the SuperBowl, that same offense scored 3 points.

Bell told everyone he sat out last year to preserve his body, I would have asked him if he wasn't willing to bet 14.5 million dollars on being able to make it though ONE season, why I would offer him 30 million dollars? I mean, he's essentially saying he's worried about injury to the point that he doesn't want to risk it for 14.5 million dollars for a year, yet he wants me, as an owner to hand him 30 million and just trust him to stay healthy.

Think long and hard about how stupid I'd have to be to make that deal.

Joe

As an owner, you're goal is not to win the Superbowl. Your goal is to sell tickets, gear and ratings.

Second, as a business owner i can think of only the NFL as a place of business where talent is recruited, but the expectation is that the talent and NOT the owner takes the lion's share of the risk. In other words, in real life when you get to the point where you are paid millions of dollars as the vice president or CFO, your contract comes with so many damn guarantees and a golden parachute to boot. The business takes ALL of the risk but also reaps multiples on the reward that is generated by the talent. The NFL uses up talent, running backs in particular, and reaps the reward in any case. So F-you to Bell for thinking that he was worth more just for the fact that he could sell more gear, more ratings and tickets. Of course, the Steelers won't have that problem in the next few years I surmise.

 

[Coryea]

News Flash, the offense was better without Bell than it was with Bell. The issue is Bell thought he was worth 17 per with 50 million guaranteed, the Steelers offered pretty much the same deal he just signed, and you're still bitching they ****** up. They offered to make him by far the highest paid RB in the NFL, and you're still bitching they ****** up.

 

[steelreeling]

News Flash, the offense was better without Bell than it was with Bell. The issue is Bell thought he was worth 17 per with 50 million guaranteed, the Steelers offered pretty much the same deal he just signed, and you're still bitching they ****** up. They offered to make him by far the highest paid RB in the NFL, and you're still bitching they ****** up.

Its important point, Tom: no, they did NOT! They done F-d up.

Comparatively, the FO didn't guarantee she-ite. Talented players around the league should have the view that if they kick-*** in Pittsburgh, they will NEVER be rewarded. If they cause terrible problems in the lockeroom in Pittsburgh, they could be rewarded. And that is bad business, plain and simple. The management is screwy not the players... well that's not true because AB was screwy to like the nth degree. Okay, almost all of the players are not!

 

[t-man]

As an owner, you're goal is not to win the Superbowl. Your goal is to sell tickets, gear and ratings.

Second, as a business owner i can think of only the NFL as a place of business where talent is recruited, but the expectation is that the talent and NOT the owner takes the lion's share of the risk. In other words, in real life when you get to the point where you are paid millions of dollars as the vice president or CFO, your contract comes with so many damn guarantees and a golden parachute to boot. The business takes ALL of the risk but also reaps multiples on the reward that is generated by the talent. The NFL uses up talent, running backs in particular, and reaps the reward in any case. So F-you to Bell for thinking that he was worth more just for the fact that he could sell more gear, more ratings and tickets. Of course, the Steelers won't have that problem in the next few years I surmise.

Yes, you're right, every team out there just wants tv coverage and winning is a non concern. None of the owners are competitive or care at all about the SuperBowl. How stupid of me to think that the main concern of an owner of a team would be to attain the pinnacle of achievement in the sport. Thanks for explaining the world to me, I have no idea how I made it this far without your knowledge and wisdom, but I consider myself lucky to have been schooled on the ways of the world by you in this internet forum. Today is indeed my lucky day, you ******* ****.


Joe

 

[Coryea]

Its important point, Tom: no, they did NOT! They done F-d up.

Comparatively, the FO didn't guarantee she-ite. Talented players around the league should have the view that if they kick-*** in Pittsburgh, they will NEVER be rewarded. If they cause terrible problems in the lockeroom in Pittsburgh, they could be rewarded. And that is bad business, plain and simple. The management is screwy not the players... well that's not true because AB was screwy to like the nth degree. Okay, almost all of the players are not!

They guaranteed him 33 million over the first two seasons, which doubled the highest paid RB at the times guarantee

 

[wig]

Interesting that you used statistics to underpin your argument. Stats are very utilitarian, outcome-based measures.

Let me ask you this then, is that why the Steelers went 9-6 and missed the playoffs? because we had Conner?

No. It was because we had Tomlin. (It most certainly wasn't because we didn't have Bell. Conner outperformed him in every single category aside, possibly from pass blocking where Conner may not be as effective as Bell.

 

[wig]

And Reeling, I'm just going to say this...

There is no case. No situation. No possible alternative universe where Leveon Bell could make 1/1000 of what he is making as a running back doing anything else. (I suppose SOMEBODY may buy his music. So perhaps there is 1 chance in the universe he could make 1/1000 of what he's making as a running back. To that end, he is paid in excess of 10 million dollars a year. Again, that dude could NEVER break $100k outside the NFL. You know it. I know it, Leveon CERTAINLY know it. And I'm not talking race here. Ben Roethlisberger has no chance whatsoever to sniff the kind of money he makes as an NFL QB. He might start his own small business. Maybe. But again, odds are he never breaks 100k a year either.

However... the NFL owners...? THOSE guys are business men. They CAN make money. They DO know how to earn well over 100k a year. And the important thing is, it is through THEIR acumen and business success that guys like Leveon Bell, Ben Roethlisberger and Antonio Brown make any ******* money at all.

So. Let's not be confused at all about who the "talent" is in the NFL. The talent is the guys who manage to run and expand the multi-billion dollar industry that employs and pays these athletes so well.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Saw this on a Tweeter feed....

“LeVeon Bell is the first professional player to hold out for a pay cut”

Boy that must really stings for Lev Bell.


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[bermudasteel]

Supe broke the news to me this morning and shared some hilarious msgs. IMO, Bell just wanted out of Pittsburgh. I can't seem to understand why...

Good riddance!!!

 

[Superman]

Steelers offered like $10M guaranteed - basically a small signing bonus. Supposedly, also offered "semi-guaranteed" $33M in a "rolling guarantee" over 2 years. And guess what, even that entire 33 is not really guaranteed - the Steelers had an out if they needed it. "Teams demand rolling guarantees with a period of time each year in which a player they just signed can be released after any given season with almost no cash or cap consequences." https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-contracts-means-that-most-teams-have-an-out/

Like he was ever going to get $70M or real guaranteed money from the Steelers.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status...t-steelers-offer-guaranteed-money-free-agency

I wonder if his new deal with the Jets includes the same bullshit rolling guarantees for that $35M? If it does, then i think Bell lost big. If not, Bell "got paid".

yeah, a ROLLING GUARANTEE.
this is what A ***** wanted instead of his upfront signing bonus.

so we give one ***** an upfront signing bonus and make him a rich man. A rich man so rich that he can then ***** about his employers and emphatically state in a not so lucid manner that he can retire if he so chooses. Horrible for him.

Then, possibly the FO senses that players aren't happy with upfront bonuses and want a steady flow of cash across the life of their contract - or the FO was covering their *** due to injury history and/or drug use and suspension history - they offered the insulting rolling guarantee to ensure that the player had a solid stream he could bank on for the duration of the employment agreement. And he *******.

can't please every ***** on the team.

**** Bell
**** Brown
**** Deebo

 

[Superman]

What if Bell gets into with Big Ben like AB? hmmm Steelers gonna not cut whom? they TOOK cap hell to trade AB for nothing.

Don't say that it couldn't happen.

but to counter your flimsy argument, A ***** STILL got his money.

so...what's your point?

 

[Supersteeler]

You can be all "hahaha Bell got pwned" but consider that a player in his prime wanted out of our team SO badly that he was willing to forgo a year of salary to escape.

We look like the idiot chumps, not him

You are out of your mind. He's getting lambasted because he looks like an imbecile who overestimated his worth....grossly.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I actually respect what Bell did. I think it was stupid. But he was always honest about what he wanted. He didn’t use any antics to get cut. He didn’t trash the steeler organization or his teammates. He literally put his money where his mouth is by turning down 14 million and sitting out the year.

I even think that he did have a point too. Bell should have gotten a higher franchise tag than a normal RB because he’s not the normal RB because of all his receptions. But that is a point that would have to be addressed in the CBA with the league not in a contract negotiation where the steelers had the law on their side so to speak.

Bell just had it in his head that if he was a true free agent, he would have been offered 18 or 20 million per year. Unfortunately, i think he had people whispering in his ear to be some kind of union activist and try to break the system.

 

[SteveA]

Bell is sure gonna miss that Steeler offensive line.