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Roethlisberger, the exact oppoiste of Bell when it comes to contracts.

I hope that Samuels and Connor have a great camp and preseason.
Let this guy sign his tender the week before the season but rather than hand him his job like Shades did last year, ******* trade him.Get as good a return as possible since he’s gone next year anyway.
No way I sign him to 17 million or even 14 million per season. We have others whose contracts will be coming up after 2019. Pouncey, Gilbert and Ben to name a few. We will need the cap.


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Gilbert is worth the money. Pouncey is over paid, and looking at his age and how center's tend to break down at his age, the Steelers would be fools to offer him a long term deal at the franchise amount.
 
Guess you missed where i debunked that..he didnt give the steelers a hometown discount.. he signed a deal right on par of what he should of been making - Adtdrewjosh

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Right. Now if Bell could only sign on par with that the other running backs are getting...

Why would he do that if he feels he is doing more then those guys. Obviously there is truth to that by the franchise tags he has received the last two years. No way the steelers tag him at those amounts of his arguement didnt have some merit. Have they been fair? I say so. Doesnt mean he has to take it though. Thats on him.. the steelers will move on..whats the big deal anyway?? We can plug anybody in and replace him right
 
Yes, but Bell has more knee injures and suspensions. I'm sure Antdrewjosh will argue that point without realizing Bell is lucky to get the offer the Steelers gave him.

I wonder who averaged more per carry and catch in 2017? Our line > Atlanta's

I dont see him as lucky. The steelers dont throw money around. If he wasnt as good as he thinks he is the Steelers let him walk. Period..
 
You dont think the same for Bell if he hits the open market?

Signing for 1 million less then the top guy Rogers is not a hometown discount as coach indicated.
Alot more than what we offered? I don't know. Alot more than Freeman yes.

You're missing the point, the discount Ben gave was by not doing what Bell is and forcing the Steelers to pay more than what they were offering. The discount wasn't signing for a million less than Rogers, it was by not holding out for every last cent he'd get on the open market

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Alot more than what we offered? I don't know. Alot more than Freeman yes.

You're missing the point, the discount Ben gave was by not doing what Bell is and forcing the Steelers to pay more than what they were offering. The discount wasn't signing for a million less than Rogers, it was by not holding out for every last cent he'd get on the open market

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Two different people..two totally different circumstances..one market isnt depressed. One is. Two totally different circumstances. Was that Bens second or third deal? Ben signed a first round deal back when first round deal wasnt slotted.. Bell signed a slotted second round deal. They are not the same
 
Two different people..two totally different circumstances..one market isnt depressed. One is. Two totally different circumstances. Was that Bens second or third deal? Ben signed a first round deal back when first round deal wasnt slotted.. Bell signed a slotted second round deal. They are not the same
You're right Ben will retire a Steeler with multiple rings, Bell will not.

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Blind to me??? I wish he signed the deal..ive never said he didnt get a good offer. That man had to live with that not me. If he feels he can get more who am i to be upset.

You flip flop your argument on the whole Bell issue about as much as Bell flip flops his salary demands. Go figure.
 
You flip flop your argument on the whole Bell issue about as much as Bell flip flops his salary demands. Go figure.

Flip flop? Where have i ever said the steelers offer wasnt fair? Ive always said i can see both sides point of view..
 
At some point **** has to be more than about money. **** one contract is enough for any non moronic man to never work again if he's not a dumb **** with it.

HOF blue chip quarterbacks are not a dime a dozen. The Steelers have had Terry&Ben. That's it.
 
Why don’t fans support players who want more?
Mike Florio
5 hours ago

Plenty of players skipped mandatory minicamps this year in an effort to get more money. And plenty of fans don’t like it.


Why, given all that is now known about the risks of a career in professional football, do fans continue to complain when a player hopes to receive greater compensation for the risks he assumes and the sacrifices he makes? When the billionaire owners make shrewd business moves, they receive the perfunctory slow-clap from admiring fans. When players (many of whom aren’t millionaires in the sense that they don’t have a net worth of more than $1 million — and they definitely don’t have liquid assets to that degree) try to use the system to their advantage, they’re described as selfish, not team-oriented, and worried about the wrong things.

Hyperbolic curmudgeon Bill Polian recently ranted on ESPN’s NFL Live about the disingenuous notion that players have an obligation to honor their contracts. That’s easy for folks on the league’s side of the ledger to say, since teams can rip up the contracts whenever they want. Players can’t just walk away, so at times they must take advantage of the tools available to them under the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Despite Polian’s position that players have no real alternatives, they do. The system allows them to not show up, as long as they’re willing to risk incurring the associated fines. For mandatory minicamp, the potential price is $84,435. For training camp, it’s $40,000 per day.

And if the players choose to push it even farther, they can give up game checks and show up as late as Week 10, getting credit for the contract year and moving another step closer to free agency.

The notion that a player who consciously takes advantage of these options is “violating his contract” ignores the broader contract that dictates the team-player relationship. The overriding document is the CBA, and the CBA allows players to withhold services (at a price), if they choose to do so.

Even then, fans still routinely side with the billionaires over the mostly-not-millionaires. It likely happens for a variety of reasons.


First, fans just want the players to play. During a holdout, it’s the player who is the one directly responsible for keeping the player from playing. So the fans pressure the player to “honor his contract,” not the team to give him a new one.

Second, the fans don’t care about the massive wealth differential between owners and players. From the perspective of the fans, they’re all rich. However, the owners are dramatically richer, earning billions collectively every year while also holding 100 percent of the equity in the teams. And the owners can do it indefinitely. The players have a limited window to make what they can before the exit the game with bodies and brains that may eventually betray them.

Third, it’s would be foolish to not consider the racial component, especially against the backdrop of the ongoing anthem debate. Some (many) white fans surely resent (consciously or not) the fact that African-American men parlay God-given physical skills into the kind of money and fame that the average white person never will enjoy, no matter how hard he or she works. So when African-American players try to get more money that some (many) white fans think they don’t really deserve, those fans get even more upset, reasoning that the players who already have more than they should should simply be happy with what they’re getting.

Regardless of the reason(s), fans are playing right into the hands of the billionaires, making it even harder for players who have one or two chances in their football lifetimes to maximize their earnings. Meanwhile, the billionaires continue to sit back and watch the money roll in, year after year, decade after decade, generation after generation, without ever taking a single physical risk.

That will continue even if fans change their perspective, but it will at least be a little harder for the billionaires to consistently get their way if fans are willing to rise up and demand that the revenue generated by the sport be more fairly distributed to those who make the sport what it is.
 
Yes the market for QBs..

And i already know where you are going.. and yes Bell is trying to reset the RB market. Which is why he hasnt signed. Not sure why people feel he has to settle for what the market is. If he feels he can reset it who is he hurting if he cant..nobody but himself.

When Ben whines about wanting more than DOUBLE the next highest paid QB, then there might be some similarities. But it's not even close.
 
When Ben whines about wanting more than DOUBLE the next highest paid QB, then there might be some similarities. But it's not even close.

Again one market is depressed and one isnt. No need for Ben to whine. Somebody had to challenge the system.
 
If you put freeman behind our line and gave him as many touches as Bell I bet their numbers would at least be similar and if i had to guess. I would say Freemans would be better. The only thing where Freeman lacks is in blocking. Other than that they are very similar w/ different styles.
 
Why, given all that is now known about the risks of a career in professional football, do fans continue to complain when a player hopes to receive greater compensation for the risks he assumes and the sacrifices he makes? When the billionaire owners make shrewd business moves, they receive the perfunctory slow-clap from admiring fans. When players (many of whom aren’t millionaires in the sense that they don’t have a net worth of more than $1 million — and they definitely don’t have liquid assets to that degree) try to use the system to their advantage, they’re described as selfish, not team-oriented, and worried about the wrong things.

Because when one player eats up a huge portion of the salary cap, that means another good player will likely get let go. The result is a less talented team on the field. It's not rocket science. That's why you already see suggestions to get rid of Roethlisberger in the next few years while Rudolph is on his rookie contract because they can improve other areas of the team while the highest paid position is on a cheap contract.

First, fans just want the players to play. During a holdout, it’s the player who is the one directly responsible for keeping the player from playing. So the fans pressure the player to “honor his contract,” not the team to give him a new one.

This is fair.

Second, the fans don’t care about the massive wealth differential between owners and players. From the perspective of the fans, they’re all rich. However, the owners are dramatically richer, earning billions collectively every year while also holding 100 percent of the equity in the teams. And the owners can do it indefinitely. The players have a limited window to make what they can before the exit the game with bodies and brains that may eventually betray them.

Odds are most of the fans work for a very rich owner/CEO and have a limited window to make no where near the amount of money. More importantly, the fans see a salary cap and want the best team on the field possible.

Third, it’s would be foolish to not consider the racial component, especially against the backdrop of the ongoing anthem debate. Some (many) white fans surely resent (consciously or not) the fact that African-American men parlay God-given physical skills into the kind of money and fame that the average white person never will enjoy, no matter how hard he or she works. So when African-American players try to get more money that some (many) white fans think they don’t really deserve, those fans get even more upset, reasoning that the players who already have more than they should should simply be happy with what they’re getting.

Never would have even considered this if Florio didn't write it. I know someone who consciously thinks about this now.
 
Again one market is depressed and one isnt. No need for Ben to whine. Somebody had to challenge the system.




Depressed because you say it is?????????




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If you put freeman behind our line and gave him as many touches as Bell I bet their numbers would at least be similar and if i had to guess. I would say Freemans would be better. The only thing where Freeman lacks is in blocking. Other than that they are very similar w/ different styles.

Freeman was 70th on the Nfl top 100 list..bell will probably be in the top ten.
 
I don't give a **** what race any of these players are, so sick of hearing it

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Unfortunately, that's all that matters to a select few on here and they need to drag it into every thread. If Bell was white, his biggest supporter would be crucifying him the same way he does Ben. I remember when you used to be able to come on here to get good draft insight and player and team info, now it's just page after page of this bullshit. Maybe I'll check back in when training camp kicks off.
 
Again one market is depressed and one isnt. No need for Ben to whine. Somebody had to challenge the system.

One market is worth more, because it is more skilled and is so much harder to find players to fit that skillset.

RBs -- see hole, hit hole, run. (simplistically speaking).
QBs must read defenses, make split second decisions, all while being chased in a collapsing pocket.

It is MUCH harder to find a great quarterback than a great running back, so sure the market for QB should be worth more $$$.
 
Unfortunately, that's all that matters to a select few on here and they need to drag it into every thread. If Bell was white, his biggest supporter would be crucifying him the same way he does Ben. I remember when you used to be able to come on here to get good draft insight and player and team info, now it's just page after page of this bullshit. Maybe I'll check back in when training camp kicks off.

Has nothing to do with race.. There are a handful of players who have gotten paid on this team who are not nowwhere close the best at their position.. Heyward Tuitt Gilbert others.. Even Ben has never been considered the best QB in the league..all have signed monster deals but Bell who is the best at his position should take less because of the position he plays?? Yes i kmow the Steelers offered him way more then the position avergage. But most think he isnt worth that much and we should just pull that offer and use it the money elsewhere. In what universe has stephon tuiit done more then Bell??
 
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