Why I think Tomlin needs to go

[diver]

What are coaches for?

Not that. That should not be their main concern, making sure guys are motivated to play. It's bullshit. If you don't have it, even if someone theoretically can give it to you, it won't last long.

Another thing, what kind of motivator do you think Belechick is? Do you see that guy as a rah! rah! jack 'em up kind of guy?

Again, if the premise is to fire Tomlin due to stupid decisions with his "gut" or poor personnel decisions or clock management for example, that is fine. Fire away. But the argument about motivating players is a crock of ****.

All I can figure out is somewhere in some of your pasts you must have got what you perceive is screwed by a coach. Of course is wasn't anything you did, the coach ****** up. Maybe Mommy and Daddy dabbed your noses and told you how unfair it was. I just cannot understand how anyone can advance the premise that it is a coaches responsibility to motivate a player.

 

[Coryea]

So after the 94 title game you know the one we made a video before the game you were done with Cowher too huh. The 01 title game. What about the 98 thru 00 when we were all in denial about how good we were and considered all those losses to be against inferior teams. Was it obvious then??

Yeah the video prior to the AFCC game was idiotic, not sure what that has to do with 2015?
We had Kordell Stewart at QB from 98-00, what were you expecting there? That team was losing key vets from the early 90's (Dirt, Kirk, Lloyd, Rod, Lake, Thigpen, etc, etc).
01 We lost to the Super Bowl winning team (who cheated and knew our play calls) . You're comparing a team QB'd by Kordell Stewart losing in the AFCCG to a dynasty cheating team, to us losing to a 4 WIN Baltimore team with the playoffs on the line?

 

[Coach]

Motivating players, and keeping a team focused and grounded are two different things. Tomlin has trouble keeping the team focused and grounded vs ****** teams, that is pretty obvious.

Wouldn't you love to hear the transcript of what Tomlin says into the headset each game? I never see his mouth moving when the camera pans to him. Just saying...

He certainly never has to cover his mouth when reading from a laminated play sheet or discussing strategy like some of these other guys.

 

[Coryea]

Since everyone loves Belicheck here, maybe you guys should listen to Josh Miller who played for that cheating ***, Miller said Belicheat did motivate them is different ways, whether it was get right in a guys face and tell him he played like ***, or bring in Free agent players during the week at certain position for try-outs. So what it is it? Do coaches motivate players or not, because the guy most here look at as a god coach uses several different ways to motivate his team and players.

 

[mdk2]

Yeah the video prior to the AFCC game was idiotic, not sure what that has to do with 2015?
We had Kordell Stewart at QB from 98-00, what were you expecting there? That team was losing key vets from the early 90's (Dirt, Kirk, Lloyd, Rod, Lake, Thigpen, etc, etc).
01 We lost to the Super Bowl winning team (who cheated and knew our play calls) . You're comparing a team QB'd by Kordell Stewart losing in the AFCCG to a dynasty cheating team, to us losing to a 4 WIN Baltimore team with the playoffs on the line?

I bet Slash had better stats in those games than Ben had in Sunday's game.

 

[Coryea]

I bet Slash had better stats in those games than Ben had in Sunday's game.

maybe but I know he didn't have his best WR not be able to secure a ball that goes for 6 in a game we lost by 3, and his other top WR Drop three passes, one that would've put us in Baltimore territory on the final drive, and if he doesn't trip before the ball gets there he goes in for the winning TD. It's funny those defending Tomlin bash Ben, those defending Ben, bash Tomlin, but everyone, with the exception of Vader is giving the supposed best WR corp in the NFL a pass

 

[topseed]

I don't buy that. At the end of the day, whether you are making 25,000 or 2 million, you still need to go out there and bang heads. I just don't think anyone can truly motivate you to do that. You have to motivate yourself to do that.

If it is all about money, what motivates a soldier, for example, who is making peanuts, to go out there under fire and do something? That has to be inside.

Before you get all worked up, this is not some defense of Tomlin. Fire the guy for all I care. But for reasons like poor clock management, or stupid "gut" decisions or whatever. But for lack of motivating guys who should be motivated on their own? No.

Money that is frugally put to use is great motivation. In fact, since you brought up soldiers, I was one once...and I did make peanuts. But along with the satisfaction that comes from serving our country, a major motivational factor for me was something called the G.I. Bill, which I ended up utilizing to help put myself through four years of college at Penn State.

If your head football coach cannot motivate his star players, isn't a good leader, and isn't proficient in the areas you mentioned above, what exactly is he doing in that position?

 

[mdk2]

maybe but I know he didn't have his best WR not be able to secure a ball that goes for 6 in a game we lost by 3, and his other top WR Drop three passes, one that would've put us in Baltimore territory on the final drive, and if he doesn't trip before the ball gets there he goes in for the winning TD. It's funny those defending Tomlin bash Ben, those defending Ben, bash Tomlin, but everyone, with the exception of Vader is giving the supposed best WR corp in the NFL a pass

You brought up Kordell so I brought up Ben..
I think everyone thinks everyone on the team is to blame for the loss, that kind of goes without saying. Some deserve more blame than others though.

 

[topseed]

Yeah, because players these days don't need to keep their jobs to make money..

Besides, they didn't get paid by their performance in that particular game so I don't understand the logic of being motivated for a game by needing to make money, the money was guaranteed regardless of their performance.

We're talking about PROFESSIONAL athletes not high school kids.

Right, guys making $25K or $2M have exactly the same budgeting issues. Today's average player has hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank at the end of one season. In Brown's case, it's millions. That's the whole reason they need to be motivated by something or someone (aka the head coach) else. What's hard to understand?

So again, according to YOUR Chuck Noll logic, Tomlin should get rid of Antonio because he has better ways to spend his time than motivating his players. Brilliant.

 

[mdk2]

Right, guys making $25K or $2M have exactly the same budgeting issues. Today's average player has hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank at the end of one season. In Brown's case, it's millions. That's the whole reason they need to be motivated by something or someone (aka the head coach) else. What's hard to understand?

So again, according to YOUR Chuck Noll logic, Tomlin should get rid of Antonio because he has better ways to spend his time than motivating his players. Brilliant.

Lol.. what? When did I say AB wasn't motivated? He's talked about as one of the most motivated players in the league with an incredible work ethic.

You said the HC needs to motivate their players, I responded with a quote from Chuck saying otherwise.. then you bring up the money factor which leads to me to..

I just don't understand the logic behind your response.. they didn't get paid by their performance in that particular game.. the money was guaranteed regardless of their performance.

Not to mention, 25k was a decent amount of money back in that era.

 

[topseed]

Lol.. what? When did I say AB wasn't motivated?

You said the HC needs to motivate their players, I responded with a quote from Chuck saying otherwise.. then you bring up the money factor which leads to me to..

I just don't understand the logic behind your response.. they didn't get paid by their performance in that particular game.. the money was guaranteed regardless of their performance.

Not to mention, 25k was a decent amount of money back in that era.

I said that in response to Superman's post, which directly mentioned Brown not taking the Ravens seriously. Then you and diver took up the cause.

I don't understand why you can't comprehend that the great deal of money players make today indeed minimizes their motivation for individual games, and that is precisely why part of a MODERN head coach's job is to motivate.

And, yes, that $25K is equivalent to about $150K today, which is still nowhere close to being comparable to $2 million.

 

[diver]

I said that in response to Superman's post, which directly mentioned Brown not taking the Ravens seriously. Then you and diver took up the cause.

I don't understand why you can't comprehend that the great deal of money players make today indeed minimizes their motivation for individual games, and that is precisely why part of a MODERN head coach's job is to motivate.

And, yes, that $25K is equivalent to about $150K today, which is still nowhere close to being comparable to $2 million.

But a contract is a contract, whether it be 25.000 in 1974 or 2 million today. It isn't like in either case if they go out and win they are going to get an increase in salary after the game. You get paid your contract.

Where you may have a point is the playoff money in those days made a difference. Today with these contracts, it doesn't.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Yeah the video prior to the AFCC game was idiotic, not sure what that has to do with 2015?
We had Kordell Stewart at QB from 98-00, what were you expecting there? That team was losing key vets from the early 90's (Dirt, Kirk, Lloyd, Rod, Lake, Thigpen, etc, etc).
01 We lost to the Super Bowl winning team (who cheated and knew our play calls) . You're comparing a team QB'd by Kordell Stewart losing in the AFCCG to a dynasty cheating team, to us losing to a 4 WIN Baltimore team with the playoffs on the line?

I asked the question because did you call for his head for "allowing" the video to be made. Did you say Cowher needs to ******* go. He has no control Did you hold him to same standard you are holding Tomlin to for his team coming out and thinking they can show up and win.

We didn't know that then in 01. After the game that week were you ready to get rid of Cowher for again losing to what we all thought were a inferior team with the super bowl on the line?

 

[antdrewjosh]

And yes I've mentioned Bryant as as someone who needed to step up. Him Shazier and Tuitt are the players I felt needed to step up their games if we were going to make a run. Tuitt had some big plays. Shazier had a big pick last week and nothing this week. Bryant has did ****. But Ben is the franchise guy and I do expect more from him.

 

[mdk2]

I said that in response to Superman's post, which directly mentioned Brown not taking the Ravens seriously. Then you and diver took up the cause.

I don't understand why you can't comprehend that the great deal of money players make today indeed minimizes their motivation for individual games, and that is precisely why part of a MODERN head coach's job is to motivate.

And, yes, that $25K is equivalent to about $150K today, which is still nowhere close to being comparable to $2 million.

Agree to disagree..

Just don't think a coach should have to motivate grown men who know the relevance of the games played.

 

[Coryea]

I asked the question because did you call for his head for "allowing" the video to be made. Did you s. Stra Cowher needs to ******* go. He has no control Did you hold him to same standard you are holding Tomlin to for his team coming out and thinking they can show up and win.

We didn't know that then in 01. After the game that week were you ready to get rid of Cowher for again losing to what we all thought were a inferior team with the super bowl on the line?

Cowher was in his 3rd season in 1994 and 3 straight playoff seasons after taking over, no one was calling for his head.

2001 We were 13-3 and the best record in the AFC, these two situations aren't comparable, we were in the playoffs, we just lost to a 4 win team.

 

[bmoritz]

And with all due respect, you continue to make every excuse in the book for him and continue to not hold Tomlin accountable for anything. The truth is the players and the coaches SUCKED yesterday. I don't see one person saying EVERYTHING is 100% Tomlin's fault. What I am seeing, and have been seeing for a couple of years, is you and others flat out refusing to hold him accountable for anything. He is the head coach. Let me ask you something: If a department at a firm continually makes the same errors year after year, don't you eventually have to hold the manager of that department accountable? Why is Tomlin different? Why are you okay with our team underperforming and losing to crappy teams time and time again? I'm not questioning your fanhood, but I don't understand your logic. Why is one man (Tomlin) more important than the team winning and being in a position to win a Championship? It's been FIVE YEARS since we won a playoff game. Other Super Bowl winning coaches have been let go for less.

I'm still waiting...........

 

[SteelerFan448]

All that matters to me is that the Steelers haven't won a playoff game since 2010.

 

[Coryea]

So Tomlin at his press conference is asked about the lack of pressure with just four guys and if they sshould've tried to blitz or something
else to get pressure on a young QB, his response was we strive to be a good defense and good defenses can pressure the QB with four guys. Well what the hell if that's not working? You just keep trying it because you want it to work?????

 

[Shane Falco]

Tomlin ain't going anywhere. I said it before. I'm not a fan at all of his teams being outplayed by lesser teams, however, he has never had a season below .500. The owners see this, they understand this and they are aware of this. As long as Ben is his quarterback, he has a good chance of not having a season below .500. I also understand that this team has a strong chance of not making the big dance again or making the playoffs. However, I am a lifelong fan of the logo. I've sung when the team had it's rough patches in the 80's under Coach Noll and the ups and downs of Cowher. I'm patient enough to ride out the Tomlin era as well. Remember, the next coach could be worse.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

All that matters to me is that the Steelers haven't won a playoff game since 2010.

This is where I'm at. I like MT, but the fact the team he is in charge of and is on the verge of another missed playoff season is changing my tune. I can't think for a second he isn't putting in the time, laying into his men, putting them in the best position to win but it's not working. Sure he is terrible with clock management and other in field items but so are the majority of the coaches out there. My thing is the team hasn't responded. Could that mean the voice is lost, they don't respect him anymore, they heard the same **** for too many years, the other coaching is continued to be terrible without change, or just the talent in the looker room isn't good enough. Who knows. Same thing happened to BC.

The problem we have is if we don't get in and make a solid run we are stuck with him for at least one more season if not more. There is no way the front office will eat 7plus million a year for (I think) three more years. Even if it wasn't the Rooney's. That's a lot of money.

Let's go Bills and let's go Steelers!!

 

[SteelerFan448]

Remember, the next coach could be worse.

The next coach could be better. Wow, that was easy.

 

[SteelerFan448]

This is where I'm at. I like MT, but the fact the team he is in charge of and is on the verge of another missed playoff season is changing my tune. I can't think for a second he isn't putting in the time, laying into his men, putting them in the best position to win but it's not working. Sure he is terrible with clock management and other in field items but so are the majority of the coaches out there. My thing is the team hasn't responded. Could that mean the voice is lost, they don't respect him anymore, they heard the same **** for too many years, the other coaching is continued to be terrible without change, or just the talent in the looker room isn't good enough. Who knows. Same thing happened to BC.

The problem we have is if we don't get in and make a solid run we are stuck with him for at least one more season if not more. There is no way the front office will eat 7plus million a year for (I think) three more years. Even if it wasn't the Rooney's. That's a lot of money.

Let's go Bills and let's go Steelers!!

BTW, if the Steelers make it and go on a run, then all will be right with the world again. But right now, I have higher expectations than being the Bengals.

 

[Ironcitysteelers]

BTW, if the Steelers make it and go on a run, then all will be right with the world again. But right now, I have higher expectations than being the Bengals.

If we somehow win the SB, I'll put up with his **** for another 3-5. ~

 

[diver]

The next coach could be better. Wow, that was easy.

Yea, but it is important to consider it could be worse. There seems to be an automatic assumption that another coach will be better. And for you or anyone to say otherwise is bs.

Again, not a reason to keep Tomlin, but it is something to bear in mind.