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It is the week of the draft, it doesn't get much more stupid than getting caught with weed three days before the draft.
Would you be happy with Gregory at pick #22?
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Gregory is far superior right now than Shane Ray. Gregory's use of his hands is uncanny. I'm not worried about his weight or his addiction to weed. IMO he seems to have put it past him! This reminds me of Warren Sapp and the Jets passing on him because of his admitted heavy use of pot. So the JETS took Kyle Brady instead....the BUCS scooped up Sapp with the next pick....I'd say the Bucs made the right choice there!
Gregory is the best LB'er in this draft!
Gregory is the best LB'er in this draft!
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I agree with this. I am very nervous about some of the so-called "top edge rushers" right now.
Fowler = Derrick Morgan
Dupree = Vernon Gholston
Ray = Jabaal Sheard
I think Gregory and Beasley are probably going to turn out the best. They play with change of direction and power and are tough one-on-one matchups.
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How can you NOT be worried about a guy who has a problem with weed. and can't keep on weight. Doritos alone ought to keep his weight up.
You know what the best part about all this is? In a little over 72 hours, we'll know ... and then be able to start the bitchin' ... lol
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I'm not gonna say I'm not worried about it but smoking pot in the NFL is a lot more prevalent than most people think. Wasn't it Ryan Clark who said 50% of the players smoke it?
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In was making a joke about weed smokers and snacking.
Smoking pot recreationally here and there is one thing. Gregory admitted he had problems quitting. I never heard him say he went to rehab but he absolutely should have. There is no way I take him in the first round. When money now goes into his pocket, I almost guarantee he gets busted in his first year for pot.
I've been in favor of taking Gregory but it's hard not to be nervous about it. There's a difference between smoking a little weed in college and completely ******* up the pre-draft process because your head is up your ***. Warren Sapp smoked a little weed. Guys like Braylon Edwards, Michael Crabtree and that fat *** the Bengals drafted (Andre Smith) ****** up the pre-draft process because they didn't give a **** about ever acting like a professional and all of them were disappointments. Is Gregory a guy who smoked a little or a guy with major issues who will never "get it'?
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Chico, I really hate to do this BUT you know that guy who wrote the 'over the top' accolades for Gregory that you used in defense of him being the best LB...here is the SAME guy, Brett Kollmann's top LB ratings in this draft: http://www.battleredblog.com/2015/4...ghizuwa?_ga=1.167510782.1581463905.1399314019
He has Gregory behind Diggy and Dupree and even refers (or reefers in this case) to him being a 'boom or bust' pick.
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It's all in how you look at him. IMO Dupree is an amazing athlete but that doesn't mean he's going to be a stud NFL LB'er. He's a project and not a day 1 starter. I'm not saying he's not going to be great but because of inexperience, lack of ability to shed a blocker when one gets locked onto him he's going to struggle in the NFL early in his career. His NFL career will be determined by how well he adjusts to the NFL game and what tools he can add to his arsenal.
As for Diggy I watched his Alamo Bowl performance and he was good...3 tackles, 1 sack, 2 passes batted down, was flagged for one encroachment call. He is solid vs the run no question but he was handled pretty easily by the Kansas Left Tackle. Also Diggy's side to side movement is no where near what Gregory is capable of. Also Gregory seems quicker getting to the ball carrier and his ability to shed blocks with regards to Gregory is what will separate this kid from all the rest.
Someone earlier in this thread pointed to Gregory struggling vs Wisconsin and honestly I thought he played pretty solid...Wisconsin obviously game planned around Gregory because most offensive plays went the opposite direction of where Gregory was so they were certainly moving away from him. I just feel that Gregory's amazing ability to use his long arms to keep O-linemen off of him plus his ability in other areas of his game is what will make him a very special player in this league for a long time. I'm still on the Gregory bandwagon even after watching Diggy's performance vs Kanas in the Alamo Bowl.
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I won't argue a single point of what you stated as all are in the eyes of the beholder. Gregory is by far the fastest "accelerator" on the field when it comes to changing gears. To me, his weaknesses are fixable as well...but it will take time. He must add good weight. He probably has a higher upside than most. His 'floor' is also lower as well.
History tells us that some of the high profile LBs will end up on the scrap heap.
Diggy's strengths are he is probably the strongest of the bunch and he is stout against the run. He looks more like an immediate contributor. His upside is he doesn't have any pass rush moves except the bull rush. This is a plus to me. It keeps his stock lower, his floor higher and his ceiling is dependent upon what he can learn. He is a known quantity in this department. Might be the brightest kid in the draft with great work ethic and zero character concerns. His only concern is his medical. IMO, if his MRI came back good and the history of success in his type of surgery is there, he will be a really good pick up.
History tells us that some of the high profile LBs will end up on the scrap heap.
Diggy's strengths are he is probably the strongest of the bunch and he is stout against the run. He looks more like an immediate contributor. His upside is he doesn't have any pass rush moves except the bull rush. This is a plus to me. It keeps his stock lower, his floor higher and his ceiling is dependent upon what he can learn. He is a known quantity in this department. Might be the brightest kid in the draft with great work ethic and zero character concerns. His only concern is his medical. IMO, if his MRI came back good and the history of success in his type of surgery is there, he will be a really good pick up.
I watched that clip from Wisconsin and it did not look like they game planned away from anybody. It looked like they could run anywhere they wanted to all game long. I suspect Gregory will look very good maybe even great in college but not in the nfl. I also suspect that all the linemen in the nfl are with a few exceptions better than what Gregory will have faced in college. I am wanting the team to pick line backers that are at least 260 and can move and if they need to convert them from defensive ends have at it.
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Something Weird Is Going On With Randy Gregory
http://deadspin.com/something-weird...ource=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
By every account Nebraska pass rusher Randy Gregory is an NFL talent, and based on football skills alone, deserves to go early in tomorrow’s first round. But reports citing multiple scouts and team executives indicate he’s rapidly sliding down draft boards, with some teams prepared to pass on him altogether. The strange part is that no one will say exactly why.
Gregory has failed a few tests for marijuana, most recently at the combine. He’s also slightly undersized to play defensive end, which is where he likely projects (he did play a lot of linebacker in college). But apparently, there’s more than that.
Today comes a very odd report from NFL.com on Gregory, and on teams worries about what they might get from him. Pay very close attention to the wording throughout, because it’s maddeningly nonspecific and just begging you to read between the lines.
What is this “off-the-field stuff” that could torpedo Gregory’s NFL career? Why do scouts and the NFL.com reporters repeatedly go out of their way to emphasize that these problems are “no fault of his own?” Mike Florio’s baffled, and damned if this report—and others referring to Gregory’s “other issues”—isn’t specifically obfuscating the actual issue at hand.
The caution may stem from potential medical privacy issues, as well as workplace discrimination laws. There are rumors, confined to social media and message boards, that Gregory may suffer from depression and/or anxiety. (He himself has said he first started smoking marijuana to deal with anxiety, though it’s not clear if he was using the term in its clinical sense.)
It’s not clear whether the teams are reacting to the rumors, or whether they’re acting on information that’s behind the rumors, but it would absolutely explain this weird pre-draft farrago. As much as the players have collectively bargained away medical privacy, no team or reporter would want to speak publicly about a kid’s mental health status—or admit that they’d deny him employment because of it. At the same time, it would be a very real concern for teams gambling a first-round pick. Just ask the Houston Rockets, who took Royce White 16th overall, knowing his struggles with obsessive-compulsive disorder and anxiety disorder, and never got a single game from him.
If there’s truth to this, it’s telling that the NFL doesn’t have the vocabulary to differentiate mental health from “mental toughness.” It’s a cold business, and anything that gets in the way of an athlete’s ability to stay on the field will necessarily take precedence.
His off the field stuff is what I have been saying all along - he appears to be a pot addict or damn close to it. Sure, many, if not most, in the NFL light one up here and there but he even stated he had a problem quitting just a few months ago. That is not just recreational use. The NFL does and will always (even if pot becomes legal) not allow pot smoking just as they do with alcohol. I can see this dude being drafted in the first round and toking it up before and during camp and getting busted right off the bat. That is just the vibe I get from reading all of this stuff about him and Tibs post just solidified my gut feeling on him. No matter who we take in the 1st round, I hope he is a gamer and turns out great. The risk with Gregory is just way too high for my liking.
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If we do get Dupree, I think you are looking at our strong side LOLB and that might be okay.
If Jarvis Jones does improve a bit and stay healthy a combination of those two player might be good enough to get the job done. At least Dupree isn't undersized.
If Jarvis Jones does improve a bit and stay healthy a combination of those two player might be good enough to get the job done. At least Dupree isn't undersized.
Gregory had 3 failed drug tests in 15mos. That's enough to lose him for the year. Paired with the fact that THC can reduce motivation, do we really need another unmotivated OLB on this team? I think the Worlids situation has made it so we will not be taking Gregory this year, unless it's in round 2.
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I want Gregory. You guys are not factoring in the Tomlin effect, where he brings the best out of players through consistent coaching, expectations, and discipline. Neither are you factoring the Pittsburgh Steeler effect, where just being in the organization and locker room transforms rookies into serious professionals because that's what Pittsburgh Steeler players do.
Wait, sorry, that **** doesn't exist anymore here. Go to New England to see that **** in action.
Wait, sorry, that **** doesn't exist anymore here. Go to New England to see that **** in action.
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You've got to be kidding....
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You've got your blinders on, Bud. That program is the model. Make a case against it being so. Better yet, make a case that the Steelers do it better.
Is Bruce Irvin worth trading for? Signed for one year probably pretty cheap. and we can pick up an option for 2016@7.7M. Haven't seen enough of him to know whethr he'd be a solid 3/4 pass rusher. Also I believe he was suspended for adderal.
It is called cheating, nuff said.
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CharlesD, unfortunately it's the other way around, you need to take the blinders off.
Yes, of course, the multiple instances of cheating allegations over the years, as Wingman points out, surely tarnish - at least partially - what the Pats have accomplished on the field.
And to better appreciate everything they've accomplished "off the field", I suggest you click though this:
Pats players with off-field legal troubles
http://www.wcvb.com/sports/20673644
And this is the "model program" the Steelers should be thriving to be?