Would you be happy with Gregory at pick #22?

[deljzc]

The college tape of Gregory is nothing like Mingo. They might have the same height/weight, but they are not the same player. Mingo was a perimeter player and very adverse to the power game. Everything was edge rush or jumping around Gregory plays with leverage and power. Big difference.

There was an article that Winston is Russell by an "anonymous" GM. That's a sloppy comparison too based just on their body features. Their college tape is NOTHING alike. If these are the types of comparisons being made by anyone with a say in the draft process it just explains how ****** up it is and why so many failures continue to happen every year.


An article this morning from PFT that Gregory could be falling:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...dy-gregory-will-slip-to-the-late-first-round/

Could just be a smoke screen.

 

[SCSteeler4life]

The college tape of Gregory is nothing like Mingo. They might have the same height/weight, but they are not the same player. Mingo was a perimeter player and very adverse to the power game. Everything was edge rush or jumping around Gregory plays with leverage and power. Big difference.

There was an article that Winston is Russell by an "anonymous" GM. That's a sloppy comparison too based just on their body features. Their college tape is NOTHING alike. If these are the types of comparisons being made by anyone with a say in the draft process it just explains how ****** up it is and why so many failures continue to happen every year.




An article this morning from PFT that Gregory could be falling:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...dy-gregory-will-slip-to-the-late-first-round/

Could just be a smoke screen.

Do you think Beasley falls? I saw the Kiper/McShay show yesterday and they didn't even pick him in the first round. Couple months ago he was a top ten pick.

 

[deljzc]

Do you think Beasley falls? I saw the Kiper/McShay show yesterday and they didn't even pick him in the first round. Couple months ago he was a top ten pick.

My original notes on Beasley's tape was a 2nd round pick, but then he exploded at the combine. His tests are very, very good. Maybe the best overall without a blemish on them. Of the top-8 pass rushers, he's 1st in 40-yard, 1st in 10-yard, 1st in shuttle, 2nd in 3-cone, 1st in reps, 2nd in both jumps.

That's a lot of talent to work with.

But my notes do see he was primarily just a hand-in-dirt pass rusher and he'll need time to learn OLB. Notes also say he's a tough one-on-one pass rusher for someone to handle by themselves and his workout likely confirms that's going to continue at the next level.

 

[SteelerAl]

****, I'd be happy with Gregory, Ray or Beasley. I think we would do fine plucking a couple CBs in rounds 2-4.

 

[Coach]

****, I'd be happy with Gregory, Ray or Beasley. I think we would do fine plucking a couple CBs in rounds 2-4.

I think I read Ray could be sidelined for months with a toe injury. I'm Luke warm on Ray.

 

[bermudasteel]

****, I'd be happy with Gregory, Ray or Beasley. I think we would do fine plucking a couple CBs in rounds 2-4.

I think I read Ray could be sidelined for months with a toe injury. I'm Luke warm on Ray.

Everything I've read, in the past two days, show BOTH Ray & Beasley FALLING.

As I stated earlier, we have two "starters" in place already - I'd take Ray, even w/ the toe and know that I have a blue-chipper in the wings. The same could be said for Beasley - because, IMO, he's a more natural pass rusher than the two starters we have in place already...

Either move up and get the better of the two or stand pat and grab the one available at 1.22.

 

[SteelerAl]

I don't care about Shane Ray's toe injury one bit. If it makes him fall to us (where otherwise he was a sure bet to be a top 12 pick), then thank you very much. Sort of like the hernia injury that allowed Heath Miller to fall to us. That said, how concerned are folks that Ray doesn't have enough sand in his pants? Is he going to be just another guy whose pass rush consists solely of an explosive first step and speed around the edge? Or can he develop into much more than that?

 

[bermudasteel]

I don't care about Shane Ray's toe injury one bit. If it makes him fall to us (where otherwise he was a sure bet to be a top 12 pick), then thank you very much. Sort of like the hernia injury that allowed Heath Miller to fall to us. That said, how concerned are folks that Ray doesn't have enough sand in his pants? Is he going to be just another guy whose pass rush consists solely of an explosive first step and speed around the edge? Or can he develop into much more than that?

Oh, oh, me! me!!!

 

[scstillerfan]

****, I'd run to the podium if Beasley is there at 22.

 

[FSF]

Couldn't care less about the pot incident. I care more about the size part: A Greg Lloyd or Joey Porter physique he is not.

 

[ZACKB]

No way Beasley falls. I heard the Saints f'n love him and may even trade up for him. I do think, However that Dallas or Den would maybe want to trade up with us. Dallas for Gordon, Denver for a top tier O-Lineman, maybe Peat.

 

[keslerclan]

The college tape of Gregory is nothing like Mingo. They might have the same height/weight, but they are not the same player. Mingo was a perimeter player and very adverse to the power game. Everything was edge rush or jumping around Gregory plays with leverage and power. Big difference.

There was an article that Winston is Russell by an "anonymous" GM. That's a sloppy comparison too based just on their body features. Their college tape is NOTHING alike. If these are the types of comparisons being made by anyone with a say in the draft process it just explains how ****** up it is and why so many failures continue to happen every year.


An article this morning from PFT that Gregory could be falling:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...dy-gregory-will-slip-to-the-late-first-round/

Could just be a smoke screen.

You're right!

My problem with Gregory is he looks almost identical to...Dion Jordan. Unfortunately, I think Jordan had much better hand-use and functional speed on the field. His tape looks almost the same. Lots of 'flash plays' that make him look like a credible athlete, then nothing. Jordan was better looking on tape in fact. He was long and rangey who accelerated and made plays all over the field. He tried to add the necessary weight to his 240+# frame and has been busted twice for PEDs. He has 3 sacks in 3 years in Miami...and HE looks better than Gregory who is lighter and already has admitted to having a weed issue.

Just look at their tape and you will see the similarities. Half of the big plays for each (which helped their stat-lines) were the result of either being at the right place or being totally unblocked on a blitz. Sure, they beat their man a few times...sometimes often BUT if you look at WHO they beat (the actual player), they are not NFL bound guys.

 

[Drink IRON City]

This whole POST is a great read, thank you all who contributed. I don't read up on coming draft prospects, except for what I read here. Deljzc, appreciate your effort(s).



Salute the nation

 

[deljzc]

Gregory is my #2 overall prospect (not counting QB's) so you guys can guess what I think of drafting him....

 

[SteelerFan448]

Gregory is my #2 overall prospect (not counting QB's) so you guys can guess what I think of drafting him....

Del, does your big board include potential red flags or are you looking purely at talent and potential? Also, at what point (if he falls) do you consider moving up for Gregory?

 

[TAS]

Can we **** can Jarvis if we take him?

 

[deljzc]

Del, does your big board include potential red flags or are you looking purely at talent and potential? Also, at what point (if he falls) do you consider moving up for Gregory?

As far as my 3rd rounder can get me up. Maybe 17-19 range?

 

[FSF]

Apologize if (and I am certain it has) been gone over before:
But is Marcus Peters worth the risk?

Is this another Lawrence Phillips or Randy Moss or LaGarret Blount?

It seems as if he is the best CB prospect in the draft -- talent wise. But talent doesn't mean squat without the right mentality. I recall Tom Donahoe strongly objecting to the notion of taking Lawrence Phillips ... stood out to me as one of rare times we've ever tipped a hand prior to draft save for this year -- and by this year I mean essentially everyone they've interviewed or looked at strongly have been on defense -- and there are no glaring holes on offense so it doesn't exactly take Maverick to know what are cards are by the glaring of our eyes.

 

[keslerclan]

FSF, I certainly don't have the access that coaches do but Peters' situation seems to be the least worrisome type. Sure, he got suspended from the team, but there were a lot of issues (related to his disappointment in losing his coaching staff and immaturity/overly competitive nature). He has never been arrested or been busted for drugs like some scary prospects either.

Here is a good read regarding his red flags:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...gton-cb-marcus-peters-aims-to-lower-red-flags

 

[Chicoman]

If Gregory is there at #22 it is a no brainer to take this kid with that pick. He is a starter from Day 1. His speed and ability to run around and through O-linemen are going to make him a very special LB'er in the NFL.

If he is there @ 22 there will be 21 teams disappointed they didn't pick this kid when they see him tear it up in the NFL.

The only thing that will slow this kid down is a career threatening injury!

He could very well be the next JJ Watt!

 

[Omar10213245]

If Gregory is there at #22 it is a no brainer to take this kid with that pick. He is a starter from Day 1. His speed and ability to run around and through O-linemen are going to make him a very special LB'er in the NFL.

If he is there @ 22 there will be 21 teams disappointed they didn't pick this kid when they see him tear it up in the NFL.

The only thing that will slow this kid down is a career threatening injury!

He could very well be the next JJ Watt!

R...really?? I gotta go watch his highlights again

 

[Chicoman]

R...really?? I gotta go watch his highlights again

Here is an excellent breakdown of Randy Gregory's play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8AdCCOD4iw

That breakdown of his gameplay and the type of defense Nebraska plays should give a better explanation.....for those people who are hesitant about Gregory in the first round.

I'm telling ya this kid needs to put on a few pounds but in the NFL with the training it shouldn't be that hard. Heck his 3 cone drill was insane at the combine 6.79secs!

I LOVE THIS KID IF HE FALLS TO US! LOVE HIM!

I don't care about the pot issue.....they said the same thing before Warren Sapp entered the NFL Draft about his casual drug use in college.

 

[keslerclan]

R...really?? I gotta go watch his highlights again

NOT...JJ Watt weighed 290# (60# more than Gregory) at the Combine and STILL jumped higher and had a faster 20 yard shuttle. It will take at least 2 years for Gregory to get to a good playing weight (270 or so) and we have no idea what explosion and COD he would lose in doing so. He could still be a Jason Taylor type player (and might be already) if he can make the transition.

 

[Chicoman]

NOT...JJ Watt weighed 290# (60# more than Gregory) at the Combine and STILL jumped higher and had a faster 20 yard shuttle. It will take at least 2 years for Gregory to get to a good playing weight (270 or so) and we have no idea what explosion and COD he would lose in doing so. He could still be a Jason Taylor type player (and might be already) if he can make the transition.

Bullshit! In two years Gregory could be one of the best LB'ers in the league! He is the most NFL ready LB'er in the draft right now! The kid is overlooked because of how Nebraska has him playing on Defense. Also if you look at how aggressive Missouri's Defense is it bodes well for their D-linemen from a pure stats standpoint but when they get to the NFL it's a completely different story. He can easily add 10-15 pounds once he starts working with an NFL team. You don't need to be 270lbs to play LB'er in this league! 240-250 lbs is an ideal playing weight for a LB'er in a 3-4 Defense!

The weight doesn't matter...he can easily be a day 1 starter @ 240-245 lbs. Look at the kids talent. Watch the video clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8AdCCOD4iw and listen to the explanation and you will have a better understanding of what the scouts see in Gregory in terms of talent.

He might not look like your prototypical LB'er in today's NFL but 41 years ago there was another guy from Kent State who was drafted by the Steelers who didn't look like your typical LB'er in fact he was 203lbs when he was drafted in the 2nd round and the knock on him was he didn't look like a LB'er and he couldn't keep weight on. Eventually he filled out to 220lb in his prime oh and he turned out to be a pretty good LB'er too.....his name was Jack Lambert so don't go by weight!

I have no doubts about this kids talent. The only thing he lacks is a few pounds which he can easily put 10-15 lbs on without much trouble. Watch that videoclip @ 8:36 mark & the 12:22 sec mark and the few plays after. That is big time football people against other future NFL stars.

 

[Omar10213245]

Bullshit! In two years Gregory could be one of the best LB'ers in the league! He is the most NFL ready LB'er in the draft right now! The kid is overlooked because of how Nebraska has him playing on Defense. Also if you look at how aggressive Missouri's Defense is it bodes well for their D-linemen from a pure stats standpoint but when they get to the NFL it's a completely different story. He can easily add 10-15 pounds once he starts working with an NFL team. You don't need to be 270lbs to play LB'er in this league! 240-250 lbs is an ideal playing weight for a LB'er in a 3-4 Defense!

The weight doesn't matter...he can easily be a day 1 starter @ 240-245 lbs. Look at the kids talent. Watch the video clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8AdCCOD4iw and listen to the explanation and you will have a better understanding of what the scouts see in Gregory in terms of talent.

He might not look like your prototypical LB'er in today's NFL but 41 years ago there was another guy from Kent State who was drafted by the Steelers who didn't look like your typical LB'er in fact he was 203lbs when he was drafted in the 2nd round and the knock on him was he didn't look like a LB'er and he couldn't keep weight on. Eventually he filled out to 220lb in his prime oh and he turned out to be a pretty good LB'er too.....his name was Jack Lambert so don't go by weight!

I have no doubts about this kids talent. The only thing he lacks is a few pounds which he can easily put 10-15 lbs on without much trouble. Watch that videoclip @ 8:36 mark & the 12:22 sec mark and the few plays after. That is big time football people against other future NFL stars.

I wouldnt mind him being the pick, but i'd rather have owamagbe as my 1st preference