Tomlin sucks but he did not lose this game for us

[SteelerFan448]

The refs did not cost us the game yesterday, the decision to go for a fake punt on our 40 yard line when up by 4 points cost us the game.
The Chargers game was lost by the same horrific defensive scheme that has Vince Williams and Bostic chasing Keenan Allen all over the field. We had a 16 point lead at halftime and our AWFUL defensive scheme gave up another game.

Crying about officials makes us no better than Seahawks fans. We should have won BOTH games regardless of the officiating.

The refs, play calls, turnovers, etc. ALL contributed to the loss.

Who cares about the Seahawks fans? We aren't talking about those types of calls, you're talking about a blatant pass interference call that wasn't and it led directly to a touchdown.

 

[Steeler Pride]

The refs, play calls, turnovers, etc. ALL contributed to the loss.

Who cares about the Seahawks fans? We aren't talking about those types of calls, you're talking about a blatant pass interference call that wasn't and it led directly to a touchdown.

If Tomlin didn't turtle up after we got a 4 point lead, we win the game regardless. We have been the beneficiary of SEVERAL calls that were bogus, but no one ******* about those calls. Good teams overcome, good coaches gets his players to overcome.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Chargers game had 14 points gifted to them by refs bad as yesterday.

Get a grip


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16 point lead at halftime, Tomlin decides to have our slowest LB's cover the Allen and we squander a lead yet again. The officials did not cost the Steelers the game.

 

[SteelerFan448]

If Tomlin didn't turtle up after we got a 4 point lead, we win the game regardless. We have been the beneficiary of SEVERAL calls that were bogus, but no one ******* about those calls. Good teams overcome, good coaches gets his players to overcome.

Obviously when they benefit your team you aren't going to complain. The Patriots didn't interfere with our receiver on the deep pass last week. Shouldn't have been a call. I don't mind it because we've had enough go against us, but I'd rather the officials not make any of those questionable calls so the players on the field decide the game.

 

[Buster]

You can’t control bad calls. They happen to everyone sooner or later. You can control calling a fake punt on the road on your own 40 with a 4 point lead.
I am amazed that there are some here who say they have no problem with that play call.

 

[Ike Kelly]

My God...do you understand football?? That was a loser coach call...no way given the circumstances should that call have been played. Tomlin chose to lose.
-4:00 minutes to go
-Your not across the 50 yard line
-It's 4th and 5! not 4th and 1
-The other team has the best QB in league and you want to give him only 45 yards to get TD
-Your defense is playing ok, not shut down (and hasn't in weeks)

The correct call should have been telling your punter & STs to nail the punt inside the 10
Tell your defense to defend 90 yards!

You are 100% wrong... in this day and age defenses are so useless it is almost to the point that punting on anything less than 4and ten deep in your own territory is statistically stupid... ten years ago punting anywhere past your own 40 became stupid based on probabilities... just like unless you need one point to win or tie statistically you should go for two every time


You want to play 1990’s run yhe ball and play d to win you will lose a **** ton in the rodger goodell era

Good question. I think both can make their case for the games biggest bonehead decision. That and the 3rd and 20 fail.

Tend to agree with the notion this game isn't played like it was 25 years ago. Defenses are handicapped to the point of ineffectiveness as MadInsomniac opined.

I didn't have a problem with the fake punt....wish the line would have helped Rosie across the line of gain though....he definitely would have made it if a couple of the big uglies would have pushed.

The Ridley sighting.....meh...JaySam had just ran through, what 6 -7 plays straight? Maybe he needed a blow. Probably the better option would have been what had been working, which was Ben, AB and JuJu....higher percentage conversion with NOLA defensive formation on that play.

The most obvious boneheaded playcall to me was that cover 2 set up on the 3rd and 20 conversion by Brees. Why not pressure him to a quick pass?....poor decision by Tomlin and Butler on that play. But besides that play all in all a solid defensive effort IMO.

At the end of the day, MT does need a video spotter. You can't rely on your assistants in the box when they have other duties which may interfere with seeing the broadcast feed.

Not that they last PI on Haden would have mattered, Tomlin asked if he could challenge it. The official told him no because it was under 2 minutes. Which brings me to another question...WHY wasn't it reviewed when the pass looked like it was deflected before the call of PI? I thought that's the whole point of having Riveron review everything inside the 2 minute mark? He overturned a call a couple weeks ago at the end of the half when the officiating crew already had placed the ball down for the next play. So don't say its not reviewable.This is how the mechanics of officiating in the NFL is causing the product to suffer. Yeah there will always be blown calls....that's the human element. But it's happening much to often and without accountability being enforced. Don't think for one minute, Pereira, Blandino, Hoculli, Steratore....even Jeff Tripplette, didn't see what was coming and got out of it before it became an epidemic.

 

[SteelerSask2]

But if defenses are handicapped so badly and neutered then explain the Ravens and the Seahawks to me. They are dictating the game. Why? Because they play ****** aggressive.

 

[Steeler Pride]

But if defenses are handicapped so badly and neutered then explain the Ravens and the Seahawks to me. They are dictating the game. Why? Because they play ****** aggressive.

Meanwhile, we play 2DL and have Vince Williams covering wideouts all over the field.

 

[madinsomniac]

But if defenses are handicapped so badly and neutered then explain the Ravens and the Seahawks to me. They are dictating the game. Why? Because they play ****** aggressive.

No it’s literally like the pats D in this era... when the refs decide to allow teams to play pass interference then they can seem to contain the quick fast small recievers that dominate the leage... literally defense is virtually impossible when the rules are called as is... its also why every team comes back late in games... teams quit playing conservative and start taking risks... even in perfect coverage these days the wr has a huge advantage

In the old days you could mug them or crush them as the catch the ball... now you have to almost get there late because even most well timed plays get flagged unless you are one of the two or three the token defenses that the refs let play...

 

[madinsomniac]

I thought the defensive gameplan yesterday was about as good as it got against the saints... the saints mugged Watt most of the game and they got every PI call.... thats just it... winning with defense is dead... the league will allow a team here and there to get away with **** for a little bit but then when they start getting those calls against them their awesome d looks horrible... literally to reinstate equality they probably need to allow more contact down the field... but they want every game coming down to the last seconds so they won’t

 

[ark steel]

Meh., the fake punt didn't bother me. They only had to drive 45 yards and that left time on the clock for us to get into position to win/tie the game. The fumble by juju killed the result.

The alternative was to punt and hope that your D can hang on. Again. For the most part the D had played pretty well on the prior series and all game long. Honestly, with the phantom PI's and mental breakdowns our D has had in past games, I would have bet that the Saints drive the field and score, anyway, leaving us zero time to come back.

 

[slashsteel]

Meh., the fake punt didn't bother me. They only had to drive 45 yards and that left time on the clock for us to get into position to win/tie the game. The fumble by juju killed the result.

The alternative was to punt and hope that your D can hang on. Again. For the most part the D had played pretty well on the prior series and all game long. Honestly, with the phantom PI's and mental breakdowns our D has had in past games, I would have bet that the Saints drive the field and score, anyway, leaving us zero time to come back.

Uhuh like another poster said then just let them score if you have no faith in getting a stop.

And if you have no faith in getting a D stop what makes you think magically they will get one in the playoffs?

Sorry Ark this team needs changes.

 

[slashsteel]

For those who were ok with the punt, what is the odds you can pick up 5 yards running against that team?

With their deficiencies on D against the pass arguably how is that not the better call in that situation?

Sorry it was a bad call running it 10 out of 10 times.

Times I remember success was when the Steelers passed.

 

[puckk]

Mike Tomlin's fake-punt call was terrible. Period.

https://triblive.com/sports/columni...ke-tomlins-fake-punt-call-was-terrible-period

 

[Vader]

The refs, play calls, turnovers, etc. ALL contributed to the loss.

Who cares about the Seahawks fans? We aren't talking about those types of calls, you're talking about a blatant pass interference call that wasn't and it led directly to a touchdown.

Exactly like the Seahawks. They were bitching about the TD taken away from them because of an offensive PI call. It would have given them a 7-0 lead. We're talking exactly about "those" calls.

 

[ark steel]

Uhuh like another poster said then just let them score if you have no faith in getting a stop.

And if you have no faith in getting a D stop what makes you think magically they will get one in the playoffs?

Sorry Ark this team needs changes.

I think you still TRY to get the stop. When it becomes obvious you won't, the you could let them score.

The only real opportunity we had to "let them score" was the play before the TD. If you let them run straight through the middle on the first play, the runner, if they have any sense, just stops at the goal line and waits. They should have been 100% confident in scoring from the 1 yard line at that point.

The play before the TD was the one to do it on as the guy was headed to the EZ and was only a couple steps away and the runner wouldn't have been thinking like that as it wouldn't have been obvious.

I'm not sure what your second sentence means. What do the playoffs have to do with this particular game? Do I think the D can hold up in the playoffs? Maybe, better than they can against the team with the best record in football. Some of the bonehead plays during the season makes it iffy.

The way it worked out, we were in a pretty good position to score a TD to win or kick a FG to tie and go into overtime against the team with the best record in the NFL, so the gamble was working. A fumble by one of our stars derailed what was happening.

Frankly, rather than the fake punt, I would have rather just lined up to go for it and let Ben call whatever play he thought we needed or try to draw them offsides. I don't know how much of their normal Run Defense people are in on the punt return team. Maybe, the thinking is that their normal run stuffers are not in there. Since he missed it by a very small margin the chance of success seems to have been pretty good.

 

[ark steel]

For those who were ok with the punt, what is the odds you can pick up 5 yards running against that team?

With their deficiencies on D against the pass arguably how is that not the better call in that situation?

Sorry it was a bad call running it 10 out of 10 times.

Times I remember success was when the Steelers passed.

As I stated in the other post, were their normal run stuffers in the game? Nix go so very close, so I am guessing not.

If you are gonna pass, IMO, you don't line up to punt, you line up with Ben in the game. Which I would have preferred, but, still, not bothered with the call that was made.

 

[Vader]

As I stated in the other post, were their normal run stuffers in the game? Nix go so very close, so I am guessing not.

If you are gonna pass, IMO, you don't line up to punt, you line up with Ben in the game. Which I would have preferred, but, still, not bothered with the call that was made.

I'm not surprised you're ok with the call. It was a stupid call as noted by the author here:

https://triblive.com/sports/columni...ke-tomlins-fake-punt-call-was-terrible-period

But hey as long as Tomlin's the coach it's all goooood....

 

[CharlesDavenport]

My God...do you understand football?? That was a loser coach call...no way given the circumstances should that call have been played. Tomlin chose to lose.
-4:00 minutes to go
-Your not across the 50 yard line
-It's 4th and 5! not 4th and 1
-The other team has the best QB in league and you want to give him only 45 yards to get TD
-Your defense is playing ok, not shut down (and hasn't in weeks)

The correct call should have been telling your punter & STs to nail the punt inside the 10
Tell your defense to defend 90 yards!

You can disagree without coming across like a breathless douche.

 

[slashsteel]

I think you still TRY to get the stop. When it becomes obvious you won't, the you could let them score.

The only real opportunity we had to "let them score" was the play before the TD. If you let them run straight through the middle on the first play, the runner, if they have any sense, just stops at the goal line and waits. They should have been 100% confident in scoring from the 1 yard line at that point.

The play before the TD was the one to do it on as the guy was headed to the EZ and was only a couple steps away and the runner wouldn't have been thinking like that as it wouldn't have been obvious.

I'm not sure what your second sentence means. What do the playoffs have to do with this particular game? Do I think the D can hold up in the playoffs? Maybe, better than they can against the team with the best record in football. Some of the bonehead plays during the season makes it iffy.

The way it worked out, we were in a pretty good position to score a TD to win or kick a FG to tie and go into overtime against the team with the best record in the NFL, so the gamble was working. A fumble by one of our stars derailed what was happening.

Frankly, rather than the fake punt, I would have rather just lined up to go for it and let Ben call whatever play he thought we needed or try to draw them offsides. I don't know how much of their normal Run Defense people are in on the punt return team. Maybe, the thinking is that their normal run stuffers are not in there. Since he missed it by a very small margin the chance of success seems to have been pretty good.

Playoffs was a reference to my point that the D scheme needs to change, and also that enough has been shown that you me, everyone should have little to no faith that the D won't give up game winning drives in series of games that leads to the SB.If anything that late Saint score reinforces that thought process.

5 yards with a FB is still a lot of yards to pick up. Perhaps your slowest O player.

Sorry still a ****** playcall....

You are probably right about not having the same personnel in on a punt, but nothing points to that being a high percentage win type of call.

 

[6Lombardis]

Who put the player in that situation? A player who was released from his previous team for fumbling?


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Answer: Le’Veon Bell. JK I know it was Tomlin. Any chance there was a reason Samuels couldn’t go on that play? I heard Tomlin say they were prepared to go for it on fourth if they had not gotten it on that third down.

 

[Steelworth]

Mike Tomlin's fake-punt call was terrible. Period.

https://triblive.com/sports/columni...ke-tomlins-fake-punt-call-was-terrible-period

The fake-punt CALL wasn't terrible, at least IMO (forget to holding them the previous drives etc. it was a good, ballsy call). The whole alignment & recipient of the ball was what was awful. I love Rosie Nix the football player, but I'm not familiar with Rosie Nix the downhill runner who routinely picks up 2+ yards on his carries.

 

[Coryea]

The fake-punt CALL wasn't terrible, at least IMO (forget to holding them the previous drives etc. it was a good, ballsy call). The whole alignment & recipient of the ball was what was awful. I love Rosie Nix the football player, but I'm not familiar with Rosie Nix the downhill runner who routinely picks up 2+ yards on his carries.

Unfortunately he needed what 4 or 5 yards.

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[Steelworth]

Well you get my damn point!

Merry Christmas Coryea.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Exactly like the Seahawks. They were bitching about the TD taken away from them because of an offensive PI call. It would have given them a 7-0 lead. We're talking exactly about "those" calls.

The difference was Haden did not interfere with the wide receiver. The Seahawks player did push off, which was offensive pass interference. One wasn't a penalty, one was.