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Tomlin says team won't change philosophy just to beat the cheatriots.

antdrewjosh said:
Also changing your front or defensive alignment is not the same as changing your scheme. You can line up in a different front and run the same plays. Going from a zone blitz scheme and then playing man to man is like a run heavy team that lines up with a fullback all year coming out in shotgun and throwing the ball damn near every down.
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Baloney. You wanted to know about one coach who drastically changed his scheme to win one game without months of prep, and I showed you one coach who did it every week. Just admit it.
 
ark steel said:
So, sounds like Tomlin's game plan was working, too, right?
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Find a quote where I said the offensive game plan was trash??? You won't find one, I was fine with the O.
 
antdrewjosh said:
2002 first game of the season who was the coach and NE didn't run the ball and kicked our ***. Guess you missed that game

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That was one game, yes I remember, the point is NE then was more of a running team, not air it out. They finished that season 22th in offense, and 19th in offense in 01, they didn't even break the top 10 until 2004 and that was with Dillon having almost 1700 yards rushing.
 
CharlesDavenport said:
Baloney. You wanted to know about one coach who drastically changed his scheme to win one game without months of prep, and I showed you one coach who did it every week. Just admit it.
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It's not baloney and I'm not surprised it was belichek who did something like that. But again changing your front and running the same plays is not the same as going from strictly zone to man. Doing what he did disrupts blocking schemes

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Coryea said:
That was one game, yes I remember, the point is NE then was more of a running team, not air it out. They finished that season 22th in offense, and 19th in offense in 01, they didn't even break the top 10 until 2004 and that was with Dillon having almost 1700 yards rushing.
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And they also had all off-season to prepare that gameplan.

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Coryea said:
Yes they did, but what does that have to do with anything?
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Absolutely nothing if you think changing everything about your approach over a off season is the same as doing it in a week.
 
I actually agree with Tomlin on this one. You don't change your entire approach to roster-building - offseason free agency and draft - to face one opponent. You add pieces to cover deficiencies though. For example, we struggle in man coverage (whether it's vs. NE or anyone else) so you add DBs who can play man coverage. But you don't do it just so you can beat New England. You do it because it's a deficiency in your roster.

You DO, however, adjust your strategy on a weekly basis when you play individual opponents. ESPECIALLY the one that beats you like a rented mule over and over.
 
Coryea said:
Find a quote where I said the offensive game plan was trash??? You won't find one, I was fine with the O.
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Well, show me where I said Offensive game plan. Game = Offense and Defense. The game plan was, I presume, to score more points as the coach knew NE would score a bunch, too. If there were 4TD's dropped or turned back, then we would have had 28 more points and that would have won the game. So, the game plan, seemed to be working and we can excuse Tomlin for it because we are excusing ben for it.
 
ark steel said:
Well, show me where I said Offensive game plan. Game = Offense and Defense. The game plan was, I presume, to score more points as the coach knew NE would score a bunch, too. If there were 4TD's dropped or turned back, then we would have had 28 more points and that would have won the game. So, the game plan, seemed to be working and we can excuse Tomlin for it because we are excusing ben for it.
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The offensive side yes, but how can you day the defensive side wasn't a joke? We left all 4 LBs on the field like the entire game, and rarely blitzed ( blitzing means sending more guys than blockers) not this crap, well we had 3 linemen and sent a lb so that's a blitz. We had our 38 yr old LB in coverage more than he was rushing the passer.
You know what, maybe we can't play man, but I'd rather see us try with DBs and not leaving our LBs in coverage to be embarrassed by Hogan, edleman, white etc. At least try something different, how about a few actual blitzes? How about bumping their players at the LOS? No way in hell there's any way to defend that defensive game plan
 
What does ben have to do with any of this. You name Ben in this equation then how about all the players that did not make a play. How about this hot shot corners we have that get so turned around they don't know what the time is. Tomlin is the main man so when it comes to change it is up to him to see when and how. Tomlin gets no pass here. How many games to we see where we look like WTF, you see no change in coaching, that is Tomlin's way. How many times to we see Tomlin loving a player but is obvious he does not play him in a manner than can help, its is Tomlin same lame way of bring players on. We needed a corner that could produce he drafts Burns, what do we here a player with potential, a player with a lot of upside, please did Burns actually do much this year. Tomlin may be a good coach but it is obvious when things go South he has no clue how to turn things around. Second half games are played same as first series. I despise Bill I cheat but the man knows how to observe a game and change when needed. We have competitive teams under Tomlin but every year is a guess.
 
Coryea said:
The offensive side yes, but how can you day the defensive side wasn't a joke? We left all 4 LBs on the field like the entire game, and rarely blitzed ( blitzing means sending more guys than blockers) not this crap, well we had 3 linemen and sent a lb so that's a blitz. We had our 38 yr old LB in coverage more than he was rushing the passer.
You know what, maybe we can't play man, but I'd rather see us try with DBs and not leaving our LBs in coverage to be embarrassed by Hogan, edleman, white etc. At least try something different, how about a few actual blitzes? How about bumping their players at the LOS? No way in hell there's any way to defend that defensive game plan
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Maybe the game plan was have our Franchise QB out play their Franchise QB. Cause even doing the things you talked about don't mean they would of worked. Brady has eaten our blitz for huge plays since forever
 
antdrewjosh said:
Maybe the game plan was have our Franchise QB out play their Franchise QB. Cause even doing the things you talked about don't mean they would of worked. Brady has eaten our blitz for huge plays since forever
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No the offensive game plan was going to be Bell heavy, and no qb is going to out play Brady when his WR's are wide open, whether is 5 yards down field or 15 yards down field, their WR's are wide open, our guys can't catch the damn ball. 2012, we beat them and we played tight man coverage and let our best pass rushers actually rush the qb.
 
Coryea said:
No the offensive game plan was going to be Bell heavy, and no qb is going to out play Brady when his WR's are wide open, whether is 5 yards down field or 15 yards down field, their WR's are wide open, our guys can't catch the damn ball. 2012, we beat them and we played tight man coverage and let our best pass rushers actually rush the qb.
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Bell went out in the first or second series.

But wait on the fly we couldn't switch to a pass heavy scheme with a franchise QB. Because most expected us to switch to a man to man heavy scheme with 1st and second year players on the fly.

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antdrewjosh said:
Bell went out in the first or second series.

But wait on the fly we couldn't switch to a pass heavy scheme with a franchise QB. Because most expected us to switch to a man to man heavy scheme with 1st and second year players on the fly.

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No, you said maybe the game plan was going to be have our Franchise qb out play Brady, to make it sound like the defensive game plan really didn't matter. I don't care if we planned on Ben going no huddle all game and throwing 60 times or Bell running 40 times, that has nothing to with the defensive plan being absolute trash. Those 1st year guys played man throughout the year a decent amount. You're telling me they couldn't work on any of that during week leading up to the game? Hell the defensive guys said their up tempo offense caught them off guard, really??? Have they never seen a NE game? Anyone of us on this board knew theyd go up tempo and throw all over the place. They said they never saw them run that flea flicker before, the freaking just did it a month earlier vs Baltimore. You can keep trying to spin this on Ben, but the defensive game plan was garbage and there is no way to defend it.
 
Coryea said:
No, you said maybe the game plan was going to be have our Franchise qb out play Brady, to make it sound like the defensive game plan really didn't matter. I don't care if we planned on Ben going no huddle all game and throwing 60 times or Bell running 40 times, that has nothing to with the defensive plan being absolute trash. Those 1st year guys played man throughout the year a decent amount. You're telling me they couldn't work on any of that during week leading up to the game? Hell the defensive guys said their up tempo offense caught them off guard, really??? Have they never seen a NE game? Anyone of us on this board knew theyd go up tempo and throw all over the place. They said they never saw them run that flea flicker before, the freaking just did it a month earlier vs Baltimore. You can keep trying to spin this on Ben, but the defensive game plan was garbage and there is no way to defend it.
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SMH I was absolutely not being serious about that being the game plan.

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Coryea said:
No, you said maybe the game plan was going to be have our Franchise qb out play Brady, to make it sound like the defensive game plan really didn't matter. I don't care if we planned on Ben going no huddle all game and throwing 60 times or Bell running 40 times, that has nothing to with the defensive plan being absolute trash. Those 1st year guys played man throughout the year a decent amount. You're telling me they couldn't work on any of that during week leading up to the game? Hell the defensive guys said their up tempo offense caught them off guard, really??? Have they never seen a NE game? Anyone of us on this board knew theyd go up tempo and throw all over the place. They said they never saw them run that flea flicker before, the freaking just did it a month earlier vs Baltimore. You can keep trying to spin this on Ben, but the defensive game plan was garbage and there is no way to defend it.
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You missed the memo. When the team plays great it's because of Coach T; when they play terrible it's all Ben's fault. Coach is above reproach, Ben is the white devil.
 
GMC said:
You missed the memo. When the team plays great it's because of Coach T; when they play terrible it's all Ben's fault. Coach is above reproach, Ben is the white devil.
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It is the exact opposite....Ben gets EVERY excuse....I'm told there were 4TD's dropped or overturned. Ben gets this excuse, Coach T does not. With those 4TD's we get the win regardless of the D allowing 34 points, yes?

What if the D had played lights out and only allowed the *'s to score 21 points (which only happened twice during the season, btw, you know because EVERYBODY knows how to stop brady...smdh). We still lose because the O only scored 17. It matters zippo how bad or good the D played. In general, very few teams are going to hold a team that cheats and gets favored calls to under 21 points. If you score 17, it matters **** all what else happened.

Even teams that don't cheat and get favored calls, look at the score of the winning team in each game during the season. The majority of the winners scored 21 or more points every week.

We get told that Coach T is terrible without Ben. Against the same team, the Team with Ben scored 1 more point than it did with Jones. But that is because of dropped passes, which might not have happened when Landry was playing.
 
Well then hell start Landry Jones then is that what you want? The defense played way better in that game as well, did they not. How did Landry do last year vs Cincy in the playoff game? The Patriots went 3-1 without Brady this season and 11-5 without him in 2008.
It's not an excuse, I detailed each play for you, those plays happened, so it's not an excuse. I love how this thread is about the defense, but all anyone wants to do us talk about Ben, the absolute last thing that is wrong with this team.

How about that defensive game plan vs NE, care to explain that.
 
The coaching sucked !!!!! NOT just in the AFCCG either. WE NEED to get better in the coaching faze of the game too. Mental / clock / challenges / scheme / personal / etc.. Mask it all you want but the coaching did NOT have it above the shoulders in that game and several others. It's NOT the color of skin but the GRAY MATTER between the ears that was having the problem.


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Coryea said:
Well then hell start Landry Jones then is that what you want? The defense played way better in that game as well, did they not. How did Landry do last year vs Cincy in the playoff game? The Patriots went 3-1 without Brady this season and 11-5 without him in 2008.
It's not an excuse, I detailed each play for you, those plays happened, so it's not an excuse. I love how this thread is about the defense, but all anyone wants to do us talk about Ben, the absolute last thing that is wrong with this team.

How about that defensive game plan vs NE, care to explain that.
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I gather you have reading comprehension issues?

So, if the defense had held the cheating ******* to 3TD's, you'd be happier?
 
Drink IRON City said:
The coaching sucked !!!!! NOT just in the AFCCG either. WE NEED to get better in the coaching faze of the game too. Mental / clock / challenges / scheme / personal / etc.. Mask it all you want but the coaching did NOT have it above the shoulders in that game and several others. It's NOT the color of skin but the GRAY MATTER between the ears that was having the problem.


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Do you not see the problem with saying a team that most considered still rebuilding especially on defense making it to the AFC championship as having coaching issues. Yes the defensive plan sucked in the title game but that shouldn't take away from the job the coaches did last year.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Do you not see the problem with saying a team that most considered still rebuilding especially on defense making it to the AFC championship as having coaching issues. Yes the defensive plan sucked in the title game but that shouldn't take away from the job the coaches did last year.
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You can say that but the fact is our defensive philosophy has aloud bad teams to stick around in games or beat us. Bad QB's, journeyman QB's, rookie QB's and/or most QB's usually have good/great statical games against us. Long sustained drives. Which keeps our offense off the field. Yes we win most of the games because our team is more talented. Some game should never be as close as they are. This defensive philosophy has been broken for years even when Dick was here. I guess we can always hope for someone else to take the Pats out in the playoffs. I just don't see us doing it.
 
Game plan could have been better but the fact remains is that we don't have the talent on defense to beat Br*dy or the talent on the staff to outcoach Hoodie.
 
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