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Tomlin says team won't change philosophy just to beat the cheatriots.

wig said:
Antdrew, at one point, Roethlisberger completed 17 to 19 straight passes. As mentioned, Coates dropped a perfect pass that would have been worth a FG at least. Brown dropped a TD pass. Hamilton biffed a TD pass. Hamilton went OOB and came back IN nullifying another TD pass...

I think an argument can be made that Ben DID outplay Brady. His receivers did not, but you could argue Ben did. In fairness, Brady spent most of the day literally tossing the ball less than 15 feet. God's honest truth. I don't know how you suggest he "outplayed" Roethlisberger. I really don't.

I think if ANY effort whatsoever is made on the defensive side to slow down the P*ts, the Steelers have a real chance in that game. But the Steelers played afraid which is what they do against the P*ts. Tomlin and Butler and before him Lebeau are too afraid of the P*ts and their ability to cheat and know what the team is doing on defense so they choose to play back and try to keep everything in front of them.

Unfortunately, as everyone saw, the Steelers are too old and too slow to deal with speedy, shifty receivers who catch the ball 12 feet away from Brady, in space and dart away from linebackers who outweigh them by 70+ pounds. No MORTAL man could have seen this coming. And clearly no common human being could come up with a counter to that insurmountable strategy.

And given the fact that Bell went down due to lying about an injury and the Steelers had NO valid receivers past Brown who weren't injured or essentially college players who were just happy to be getting a paycheck, that sort of limited the team's capacity to keep up with a team who could move the ball at will against a defense who seemed completely happy to allow the P*ts to continue to shuffle down the field.
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I don't remember suggesting Ben was the reason we lost the game. I was being sarcastic when I suggested that the game plan was for Ben to out play Brady.

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You can scheme to play zone and man, it doesn't have to be either or. Burns was matched up tyrek hill in the early KC game and the playoff game, you mean we can't just match him up vs Edleman? Bracket Hogan, or vice versa? Pull Timmons off the field and replace him with a CB who can run and change direction?
 
You hit the nail on the head as far as the offense issues. No no 2 WR. That was the game we missed Martavis
 
Coryea said:
You can scheme to play zone and man, it doesn't have to be either or. Burns was matched up tyrek hill in the early KC game and the playoff game, you mean we can't just match him up vs Edleman? Bracket Hogan, or vice versa? Pull Timmons off the field and replace him with a CB who can run and change direction?
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Edelman plays in the slot Burns does not.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Edelman plays in the slot Burns does not.
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Burns covered Hill whose faster and quicker than Edleman, how does anyone know he can't, we didn't even try. It can't be any worse than letting Edleman run underneath Timmons for simple catches. Then you match Burns up on Hogan.
I'll bet anything Burns is a better slot corner than Gay is right now, but we never tried. Oh we did try Gay on Edleman one play.
 
Coryea said:
Burns covered Hill whose faster and quicker than Edleman, how does anyone know he can't, we didn't even try. It can't be any worse than letting Edleman run underneath Timmons for simple catches. Then you match Burns up on Hogan.
I'll bet anything Burns is a better slot corner than Gay is right now, but we never tried. Oh we did try Gay on Edleman one play.
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He played him when Hill lined up outside. He didn't follow him.

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2016/12/film-room-artie-burns-game-not-yet-complete/

"The coaching staff deserve credit to. They’ve help simplified the scheme for him and doing what he’s comfortable with, like all competent teams should do. They’ve asked him to play a lot of press, stopped moving him around and use leverage to dictate the receiver’s route tree.

But when things get a little more complicated, and Burns has to make reads and keep his head on a swivel, he is running into problems. It’s been an issue during the year so let’s take a look at a few examples."

The coaches made things simple for him..Playing on the outside limits the WR route tree. Playing Edelman in the slot which is where the Patriots would of lined him up in response would of been very tough for Burns at this point of his career
 
Coryea said:
So you had no problem with defensive game plan or the fact players said they weren't prepared?
The O had some big drops and mental mistakes, but the defense wasn't even in position to make plays.
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Do you think that, maybe, some of the D mistakes might have been mental mistakes?

I don't care if we lose by 1 or 50 in the playoffs. I also don't care if we win by 1 or 50. if you lose, you lose. I'm telling you the D game plan was, mostly irrelevant because the O only scored 17 points. The week before the O scored 18. The Steelers were the only team to win a playoff game this year with less than 26 points. Up to the SB, only one team scored more than 21 and lost. If you cannot score 21 in the playoffs, your chances of winning are drastically reduced.

Playoffs last year, the O scored 18 and 16, with 17 scored the year before. (see a pattern?). Three teams scored 21 or less and won (steelers and Seahawks in first weekend and Denver in the game against the *'s (one of the very rare occurrences that the *'s scored less than 21 when they scored 18). it can be done, but seems pretty rare in today's NFL. In the last three seasons, the *'s have scored 16 or less 6 times in regular and playoffs, about 10% of the time. With 17 points by the Offense, we are going to lose that game the vast majority of the time, regardless of the Defense.

I don't hold the D any more culpable than the O.

you are telling me that if the O had executed, we would have significantly more points, more than the *'s and would have won. Seems to me
 
Defensive players saying we weren't prepared for the up tempo or have never seen that flea flicker is not a mental mistake, it poor preparation.

Leaving all your LBs on the field and using them primarily to cover is not a mental mistake, it horrible game planning and a lack of in game adjustments.

How many plays were there when our defenders were even close to knocking passes away but didn't? Those would be lack of execution, but their WR's were wide open.

Yes Burns isn't totally ready for everything as a CB, but when your game plan is being shoved up your *** again, it's time to try something, anything. If that means telling Burns, "hey go follow Edleman or Hogan where ever they go, press him and play man" then at least try it.
 
The Pittsburgh Steelers defense failed miserably at attempting to slow down the New England Patriots passing game during Sunday’s AFC Championship game beat-down in Foxborough and especially when quarterback Tom Brady decided to go fast.

“The first drive hit us by surprise,” Steelers linebacker Bud Dupree said Monday, according to Ray Fittipaldo of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. “They came out firing and they caught us off guard. We were checking and they were checking at the same time. Hats off to that team. They had a great preparation.”

Dupree would later add that while the Steelers defenses had prepared for the Patriots offense to run some no-huddle against them, they were ultimately surprised at how often they used it.

“We didn’t really anticipate it like that,” Dupree said. “It was more in their approach to the no huddle, the checks they made right away. It was a great job by Tom Brady.”

On Wednesday, Gerry Dulac, also of the PPG, added a little fuel on top of Dupree’s Monday comments on Twitter.




“Bud Dupree said Steelers were “surprised” about frequency of NE’s no-huddle offense. He shouldn’t have been. Players were prepped all week,” Dulac tweeted.

Dulac then added: “Just because Steelers prepped for no-huddle pace doesn’t mean they could stop it. But don’t say you’re surprised by it.”

Dupree took offense to Dulac’s tweets and fired back at him on the social media platform.

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2017/01/dupree-takes-offense-dulacs-twitter-comments/
 
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Well...he's not wrong that there was nothing to be surprised about. They practiced against the no-huddle during the week, shouldn't have taken them by surprised. Jim Wexell wrote an article today saying he was the only reporter there for practice on Friday and talked about Tomlin going over the defense the three primary keys that Brady likes to audible from and working them on the tempo. Honestly though, I don't know if Dupree really meant to say they were "surprised", but rather more like simply couldn't keep up.

That's a response in the comments section of that same article I just posted. We all know who Wexell is
 
"Just because Steelers prepped for no-huddle pace doesn’t mean they could stop it"

Dulac speaks the truth - no "scheme" would have stopped it either

The defense is weak and it's not going to get any better no matter how many defensive draft busts you put on the field.
 
I would take a raw Burns covering Edelman, regardless of where they line up, VS a seasoned Timmons on said coverage.




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Not for nothing, but when the O goes up-tempo, you, generally, don't get a chance to substitute on Defense, unless the O does so.
 
against teams like the *s you have to pressure with 4 and the rest must be players that can cover:

Tuitt Hargrave Heyward Harrison/rookie (Harris/Lawson)

Shazier Dupree

and then the rest all DBs. If they want to run so be it, put Davis or another rover Safety closer to the line

something like that should be your base D, **** the 3-4 or 4-3
 
Drink IRON City said:
I would take a raw Burns covering Edelman, regardless of where they line up, VS a seasoned Timmons on said coverage.




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Until he gets burned repeatedly by playing out of position. Then he's a bust and the staff is stupid
 
There' just no way you can be surprised at their use of no huddle unless you are a complete moron. They use no huddle all of the ******* time. That's their strength. Fast tempo and short, quick passing.
 
antdrewjosh said:
Until he gets burned repeatedly by playing out of position. Then he's a bust and the staff is stupid
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As if Timmons isn't going to get burned???????




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Coryea said:
Or he does one hell of a job and helps you.
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And what exactly in his resume suggest he could do it. How is that fair to him? Here go do something you've never done and no pressure its only the AFC championship and Tom Brady.

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Never done it? He play man on man several times during the season. That's better than saying " here Tom Brady, this is the exact defense you were hoping for have fun"
 
Why would you admit to changing your scheme or play to combat the Patriots? You'd just be letting them know they're in your head and got your number. No coach is going to do that publicly, non story really.
 
ark steel said:
It is the exact opposite....Ben gets EVERY excuse....I'm told there were 4TD's dropped or overturned. Ben gets this excuse, Coach T does not. With those 4TD's we get the win regardless of the D allowing 34 points, yes?

What if the D had played lights out and only allowed the *'s to score 21 points (which only happened twice during the season, btw, you know because EVERYBODY knows how to stop brady...smdh). We still lose because the O only scored 17. It matters zippo how bad or good the D played. In general, very few teams are going to hold a team that cheats and gets favored calls to under 21 points. If you score 17, it matters **** all what else happened.

Even teams that don't cheat and get favored calls, look at the score of the winning team in each game during the season. The majority of the winners scored 21 or more points every week.

We get told that Coach T is terrible without Ben. Against the same team, the Team with Ben scored 1 more point than it did with Jones. But that is because of dropped passes, which might not have happened when Landry was playing.
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Bullshit. There are a handful on here that rush to label anyone who criticizes the coach. The same group refuse to credit Ben for anything. I'd like to see both improve some areas of their games, but do you honestly think this team's success over the last decade has more to do with the coaching than the QB? Without Ben this team is looking up at Dallas, San Fran and the *s. We'll see in a couple years if Coach T and the mighty Landry can get us anywhere near the big game. I don't understand how someone calling out the coaching staff for the defensive cluster **** in the AFCCG is somehow making excuses for Ben. But this all rhetorical; I don't expect a bit of concession from you after reading through the thread.
 
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nooneuno said:
Why would you admit to changing your scheme or play to combat the Patriots? You'd just be letting them know they're in your head and got your number. No coach is going to do that publicly, non story really.
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Except Tomlin was speaking the truth....but yeah...non story.
 
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