dejan and rude dog are problably like ,,, wtf did I sign up for here? These guys are ********!
Tomlin Rated #6 Best NFL Coach
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My money is on them sticking around, just like you and I both have done (despite all these ********)
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I disagree. What i see here is some real discussion. Who wants a board where everyone just agrees with everything, says every pick will be a star, every coach is a genius, every loss is just bad luck, etc.
The best part of this board is that there are real people here who have varied opinions. The culture of the board has always been to let people be raw and give a lot of leeway before deleting posts. If you want sanitized cheerleading, go to the official steeler board. If you want real opinions come here.
Agreed. If I'm Dejan, I'm looking at the discussions on this board and saying "I can use this". How? I don't know. But, I'm sure he'll be able to figure it out.
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Since none of the supporters took me up and made the positive case for him, i'll give it a shot.
Tomlin inherited a great team, ready to win the Super Bowl. He was forced to keep Lebeau and others and was unable to make the team his own. This was either a smart move on his part by not messing with a good thing, or it ws mandated by the Rooneys. I think it was a bit of both.
You could make the case that Tomlin's hands were tied with this team and only now that Arians and Lebeau are gone, is the team truly his own. I disagree with that but i suppose you could make that argument.
Let's see what Tomlin does without Lebeau.
Tomlin inherited a great team, ready to win the Super Bowl. He was forced to keep Lebeau and others and was unable to make the team his own. This was either a smart move on his part by not messing with a good thing, or it ws mandated by the Rooneys. I think it was a bit of both.
You could make the case that Tomlin's hands were tied with this team and only now that Arians and Lebeau are gone, is the team truly his own. I disagree with that but i suppose you could make that argument.
Let's see what Tomlin does without Lebeau.
For myself, I figure what's the point? We've been over the plus and minus points over and over. At this point, I'm more interested in seeing if there's a plan to fix the defense and if that plan will work. Because if there is, and it does, this discussion swings only one way. If there isn't, or there is and the plan fails, this discussion swings only one way.
By that, I mean, you're a good/great coach when when what you're doing is working and you're not when it it isn't.
By that, I mean, you're a good/great coach when when what you're doing is working and you're not when it it isn't.
players that sign with NE sign for a ring. Not coin.
They know their chances are better with them. They get ring, go get coin...
We need to beat teams down, again....get MEN on the team that want to beat someone silly. Coach is decent, not great. Drafting is shady, need to have a direction for the team.
They know their chances are better with them. They get ring, go get coin...
We need to beat teams down, again....get MEN on the team that want to beat someone silly. Coach is decent, not great. Drafting is shady, need to have a direction for the team.
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I don't think he is much better than average, arrow up or down. This year will tell us a lot, he will be respon sible, for the point of the arrow. His team, his arrow. 8-8 average, 10-6 w/playoff spot above average, 11-5 n better deep play off SB win PRICELESS.
poick what yaz want, time will tell
Salute the nation
poick what yaz want, time will tell
Salute the nation
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - I liked you better when you were a Christian in the God & Politics threads...
"...doing my best to learn football as I go..."
That's rich.
Hell, some consider 8-8 non-losing. It's definitely not a winning season. That is not okay.
I say 2nd place is FIRST LOSER.
The Steelers need to learn to cheat like they do. You can not tell me they aren't still cheating w/ the leftovers and that dink&dunk offense.
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See, this is where you just don't get it.
I'm pretty sure Dejan is lurking, following everything Coach opines on. Who wouldn't?
To play for.
But did they want to win for him, or more importantly for the fans. There could be a difference.
I guess lots of guys like the shorter season, makes sense to me eliminate a couple months of work for that big salary that is paid, what a deal.
Who the hell plays anything and doesn't want to win. I don't know anyone that doesn't want to win. Even for the Tomlin haters that is a stretch.
He might as well catch up with the guys on 93.7.
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I'll second that!!!!!!!! BUT, some here want to lose, so as to prove themselves right. Sick as it is, the want to win, their game.
Salute the nation
Maybe this needed to come with a sarcasm alert
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Wanting to win is for kids. Knowing what it takes, doing what it takes, and teaching and inspiring such is what a good coach does.
So, going to two Super Bowls and winning one is not "winning"? Also, his win percentage doesn't count? Or are we talking about that subset of Steelers fans that believes that unless you win it all it doesn't count?
I know the next argument will be that there hasn't been much winning "lately". Well, the latest result was an 11-5 regular season record. I would say there wasn't much complaining about that, but that would be a lie. And yes, I realize we got absolutely steam rolled in the playoffs. He's not the first Steelers coach that that has happened to and if he were fired he wouldn't be the last.
There are a lot of things that you could point at that Tomlin does wrong. Being a losing coach isn't one of them.
give him time, that is all any coach needs
True .. time is the great equalizer. And all coaches will go through periods of success and failure. It's how they respond to failure that makes or breaks them.
Someone brought up the comparison of Rex Ryan and Tomlin. You know what I saw when Rex experienced failure with the Jets? I saw a coach who was in over his head when it came to confronting his failures and putting together a plan to guide his team back to success. Maybe he didn't have the right FO/Ownership support to help, but that team has been a disorganized mess. At least with the "Tombert" regime, you can see the makings (or faintest outline) of a plan. They've put together one of the strongest offensive units in football to help keep winning while they revamp the defense.
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We will see how Mr Tomlin does as the last of the players he inherited from the Cowher retire. Player development is a great gauge of coaching ability. Right now I put that at John Gruden level. John Gruden did well with a team Tony Dungy built and then crapped the bed when he had to do it with his own personnel.