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Tomlin and Haley's contract are up in 2016

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Interesting. Perhaps Rooney wants to see progress before offering Tomlin a new deal? IMO, Tomlin is an average type of head coach who won with Bill Cowher's players.

It's been four years since Tomlin won a playoff game. In the past three playoff games Tomlin is 0-3. We have too much talent for these type of results. Playing down to the level and losing 10 games in the past the seasons to sub. 500 teams shows a lack of preparation and questionable coaching. IMO, we need to win a playoff game this year, of its time to search for the next coach.
 
Not sure what point you are trying to make with regards to Haley. He signed a new, 3-year deal prior to the start of the 2014 season. That's a long deal for an offensive coordinator. He should feel as much job security as any OC can these days (he is one of the longest-tenured OCs in the NFL because most teams don't keep their OC for more than 2 seasons these days).

As for Tomlin, I think ARII is relatively happy with his performance. He liked how Tomlin held the team together in the face of 0-4 and 2-6 in 2013 and he saw the 2014 season as a nice step forward in which the team went 4-0 down the stretch and claimed a division title. I don't know if Tomlin gets an extension before the season starts. Usually the Rooneys like to do one while the HC still has 2 years to go on the existing deal. I do believe Tomlin's will return in 2016 unless 2015 is an unmitigated, 2-14 type of disaster.
 
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this off-season, draft and upcoming season should be telling of the future of Tomlin and maybe Colbert? Until I see an extension with MT, the FO may be on the "wait and see" approach.. Who knows what they are thinking, but Ben should be their priority and then figuring out who is coming back and who is not can't be far behind. I truly believe Haley is very safe. His offense was pretty impressive until his stallion went down.
 
Hell. I wouldn't be surprised if Tomlin isnt extended tomorrow.
 
He must be the first "average" coach I've ever witnessed making it to 2 super bowls...
 
If Roethlisberger can wait until the final year of his deal for an extension, so can Tomlin.
 
Haley is as "SAFE" as an OC can be. Right now, I'm thinking they have bigger fish, so to speak. Tomlin's arrow, in the eyes of many, is definately pointing up. We'll have to wait and see if the front office makes any splash plays, in his contract offer.


I say get some players as tomlin isn't going anywhere this year, extention or not.



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stillwright said:
Hell. I wouldn't be surprised if Tomlin isnt extended tomorrow.
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Shades will be here as long as he wants to be. He would have to be below .500 for five years in a row before the namesakes of the Rooney Rule would ever think of not extending their first black head coach.
Colbert is less secure.
This means that Tomlin would probably have more pull when the GM is the new guy and do more of what he is obviously not very good at. If you will, obviously.
 
Hello All,

New as a member but not new to a reader of this board.

I don't understand all of the hate for Tomlin. In order to fire someone you should have in mind a replacement option, so who would you replace him with? Remember the alternate 2 selections that we would have hired were Ken Whisenhunt ( who lost to Tomlin in the SB) or Russ Grimm? Also keep in mind that in Cowher's last year 2006 he went 8-8 and finished 3rd in the AFC North not making the playoff's

A Few Stats on both coach's

In Cowher's 15 seasons as head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, the team won eight division titles and made 10 playoff appearances. Cowher led the Steelers to the Super Bowl twice, winning one

In Tomlin's 8 seasons as head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, the team won two division titles and made 5 playoff appearances. Tomlin led the Steelers to the Super Bowl twice, winning one

So in a little more than half of Cowher's tenure Tomlin has accomplished the same amount of Championships.

Why the hate????
 
KJAX said:
Hello All,

New as a member but not new to a reader of this board.

I don't understand all of the hate for Tomlin. In order to fire someone you should have in mind a replacement option, so who would you replace him with? Remember the alternate 2 selections that we would have hired were Ken Whisenhunt ( who lost to Tomlin in the SB) or Russ Grimm? Also keep in mind that in Cowher's last year 2006 he went 8-8 and finished 3rd in the AFC North not making the playoff's

A Few Stats on both coach's

In Cowher's 15 seasons as head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, the team won eight division titles and made 10 playoff appearances. Cowher led the Steelers to the Super Bowl twice, winning one

In Tomlin's 8 seasons as head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, the team won two division titles and made 5 playoff appearances. Tomlin led the Steelers to the Super Bowl twice, winning one

So in a little more than half of Cowher's tenure Tomlin has accomplished the same amount of Championships.

Why the hate????
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You must not have been reading long. Nobody "hates" Tomlin. He took over a SB caliber team and won a SB and went to another. Since Cowher's players have left the team isn't as good and they have issues drafting. Cowher took over a team that hadn't won anything in over a decade. He had to totally rebuild a team. Then he went through a power struggle with Donahoe. Comparing Cowher to Tomlin is ridiculous. Why not compare Tomlin to Switzer? Tomlin has had a HOF QB every single day he has been the HC. Cowher didn't have that. Until Tomlin can put together a team that wins with his players he'll always be behind Cowher IMHO. To add to that Cowher had to deal with life before Heinz field. He lost players all the time to FA. Tomlin has had very little turnover because of money. There is no comparison.
 
The only comparison I made between the 2 coaches was Superbowl wins and appearances. I like Both Coaches but I remember times on the board when people wanted Cowher out because he could not win the big games either for being to conservative or being outcoached by our opponent.

The Steelers tried to keep the 2005 team together as long as possible and the strategy worked for 2 SB appearances and 1 win. I agree that Cowher never had a great QB but he did have a top defense for many years. I also agree that he rebuilt the Steelers to contenders. Both of the coaches had different approaches to the game and while I agree with you about Cowher losing players to free agency, I would also say Colbert deserves every bit as much to blame for keeping that team that was getting older together for another SB run as well.

Also why was it only Cowher's players and not the Steelers players, or for that matter Colbert's players. If they were SB players why did Cowher finish 8-8? Why did he not go back to back? I am still a Cowher fan, but I think people on the board have selective memories at times when discussing him.
 
KJAX said:
The only comparison I made between the 2 coaches was Superbowl wins and appearances. I like Both Coaches but I remember times on the board when people wanted Cowher out because he could not win the big games either for being to conservative or being outcoached by our opponent.

The Steelers tried to keep the 2005 team together as long as possible and the strategy worked for 2 SB appearances and 1 win. I agree that Cowher never had a great QB but he did have a top defense for many years. I also agree that he rebuilt the Steelers to contenders. Both of the coaches had different approaches to the game and while I agree with you about Cowher losing players to free agency, I would also say Colbert deserves every bit as much to blame for keeping that team that was getting older together for another SB run as well.

Also why was it only Cowher's players and not the Steelers players, or for that matter Colbert's players. If they were SB players why did Cowher finish 8-8? Why did he not go back to back? I am still a Cowher fan, but I think people on the board have selective memories at times when discussing him.
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Do I need to remind you of a motorcycle accident, an appendectomy, and a concussion? Talk about selected memories.

Also Colbert and Tomlin kept them together because they couldn't find anyone to replace them. Still haven't to this day. Have you not seen Ike, Troy, Keisel, and Harrison STILL on this team? Who is going to replace any of them? They can't even find ONE decent TE. They kept the team together because their drafting started sucking ***. Who would you have replaced the old player with? You act as if Colbert let all the talent leave and kept the old guys... which nothing could be further from the truth. Tomlin and he couldn't find any replacements.
 
Vader said:
You must not have been reading long. Nobody "hates" Tomlin. He took over a SB caliber team and won a SB and went to another. Since Cowher's players have left the team isn't as good and they have issues drafting. Cowher took over a team that hadn't won anything in over a decade. He had to totally rebuild a team. Then he went through a power struggle with Donahoe. Comparing Cowher to Tomlin is ridiculous. Why not compare Tomlin to Switzer? Tomlin has had a HOF QB every single day he has been the HC. Cowher didn't have that. Until Tomlin can put together a team that wins with his players he'll always be behind Cowher IMHO. To add to that Cowher had to deal with life before Heinz field. He lost players all the time to FA. Tomlin has had very little turnover because of money. There is no comparison.
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TAS will have a fit when he sees this...
 
The team did a better job of drafting when Cowher was here. For the past 8 years any list of the 5 or 10 best players on the team would include mostly players who were here before 2007. I don't see how that's arguable.
 
No my memory of BB's a motorcycle accident, an appendectomy, and a concussion have not been lost. How does your memory serve you about these losses under Cowher.

1992: Lost to Buffalo Bills in AFC Divisional Game.
1993 Lost to Kansas City Chiefs in AFC Wild-Card Game.
1994: Lost to San Diego Chargers in AFC Championship Game. (Very Painful)
1995: Lost to Dallas Cowboys in Super Bowl XXX.
1996: Lost to New England Patriots in AFC Divisional Game.
1997: Lost to Denver Broncos in AFC Championship Game.
2001: Lost to New England Patriots in AFC Championship Game
2002: Lost to Tennessee Titans in AFC Divisional Game.
2004: Lost to New England Patriots in AFC Championship Game

The Steelers let some of the players walk because of salary cap reasons.They also held onto some players for longer than they should. They are struggling to find 3-4 players now because there are now about 15 NFL 3-4 defenses in the league. In fact, the Steelers were the only NFL team to use the 3–4 defense during the 2001 NFL season. We can't find the players more so because more teams are picking the same players from a much smaller pot. It is still too early to judge this past years draft class so I won't However the Steelers scouts along with Tomlin Colbert and others are offering input as well. So are you implying that these are all Tomlin's picks? Is Tomlin the only one responsible for these draft picks?

Again I'm not saying Cowher is a not a great coach, I'm simply saying that he had some very disappointing losses too. and before he made the SB in 2005 people wanted him out.
 
I've been over this **** 100X before. You say you've been reading the board right? You can't defend your argument so you jump now to bad losses under Cowher. Typical move by someone that got his point destroyed. Cowher got a team without a franchise QB to the AFCC game. What more did you want? You think Tomlin can do that? He hasn't won a playoff game in 4 YEARS. So yea, I'll take losing to the cheating pats**, a dynasty like the 90s Cowgirls, A Bills team that made 4 straight SBs, a team lead by John Elway, and KC lead by Montana at home over getting ***** slapped by Baltimore in the wild card round at home, GB when their entire secondary was hurt, Jax in the wild card round, and a team lead by Tim "*******" Tebow. Hell Tomlin has never even lost to a great team in the playoffs. Every team Cowher lost to at least made the SB. In 8 years with a franchise QB Tomlin has won more than 2 playoff games in a season TWICE. He either doesn't make the playoffs or he gets kicked out early. But I'm sure you like that better than taking a ****** QB like Kordell to AFCC games. According to you, you'd rather Cowher not make the playoffs, like Tomlin, than for you to "get hurt" because they didn't win it all one year.

Also I'm not implying anything. Tell me why the drafting changed when Tomlin came in? You think Colbert forgot how to draft? OR did the new coach want different types of players? Maybe lighter faster 4-3 type LBs? Maybe penetrating DL? Naw... that couldn't be it.
 
We argue this **** like the Palestinians and Jews..........and we all know which side whom stands where on Tomlin.

2014 AFC North Divison champs....back in the saddle and riding for another run
 
No one is saying that Cowher was perfect or awesome. A lot of us are just saying that Tomlin isn't as good, especially when it comes to drafting and evaluating talent. Tomlin went from Super Bowl winner to Super Bowl loser to two years in a row of 8-8 to no playoff wins in four years. This past year they got back to 11-5 (and another first round playoff loss) since the offense got it in gear but I don't think there's any doubt that the team got worse as more of Cowher's players left or retired. Meantime the defense has been declining for years which is kind of perplexing because MT cut his teeth on defensive coaching yet is unable to draft Jack Schitt for talent on defense. There are but two decent players on defense who were drafted by MT...Timmons and Heyward. Anybody else who is any good was here prior to 2007 (Keisel and Harrison) or sucks (everybody else).

We here don't count the playoff losses to the Pats** in 2001 and 2004 because they were cheating.

In 2011 Coach Cool Shades let Bruce Arians call pass plays all day in below zero wind chill against the Browns who had the 31st ranked run defense at the time. That division loss kept them out of the playoffs. Arians said "We don't let the weather affect our game plan." Shades and Arians should have both been fired first thing Monday morning.

KJAX said:
However the Steelers scouts along with Tomlin Colbert and others are offering input as well. So are you implying that these are all Tomlin's picks? Is Tomlin the only one responsible for these draft picks?
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No but Colbert has been here through both head coaches and the drafting has been noticeably worse since Tomlin got here. So either Tomlin's input is lousy or Colbert suddenly became retarded in 2007.
 
Wow why so upset? Hope your not on meds for blood pressure. My point is not destroyed at all since my original topic point was why all the hate for Tomlin?

The only comparison I made was SB wins and appearances. I am not bashing Cowher at all as I liked him as our coach as I stated. It does not matter who you lose to since the standard is SB or bust. It does not matter who played on the winning teams but only that we did not win. I thought we were having a discussion and not an argument. As I said I agree Cowher has done more with less at the QB position, and restoring the Steelers to a relevant team during his tenure.

I am not defending Tomlin only wanting to know why he was so hated and why everyone wants him gone. I want him to succeed because it is the Steelers not because of anything else. I was just as upset that we lost to B-more as I was for any of the Cowher losses. When the Steelers lose no matter who it is they lose to. If you want to say its because of coaching then fine that is your opinion. My point on drafting was that there are more teams using the 34 not that Colbert has forgotten how to draft.

I agree that the last few drafts have not produced the calibre of talent we are used to having and that maybe it is because of Tomlin, or maybe because the NFL has changed to more of a passing league. The TE position has evolved and isplayed differently then years past. Maybe the strategy was to get LB's that could cover the new breed of TE's and RB' coming out of the backfield. Or maybe they over valued the people they drafted and when they were drafted. My point is if we are all true Steeler fans why would we not want Tomlin to succeed?
 
Coach said:
Interesting. Perhaps Rooney wants to see progress before offering Tomlin a new deal? IMO, Tomlin is an average type of head coach who won with Bill Cowher's players.

It's been four years since Tomlin won a playoff game. In the past three playoff games Tomlin is 0-3. We have too much talent for these type of results. Playing down to the level and losing 10 games in the past the seasons to sub. 500 teams shows a lack of preparation and questionable coaching. IMO, we need to win a playoff game this year, of its time to search for the next coach.
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Is been 5 yrs since he won a playoff game
 
This team has greatly underachieved under Tomlin and anyone that doesn't see that owns some good glasses. It's going to get worse before better. This team is still far away from competing for a sb
 
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