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Tomlin: 6 out of 9 seasons in playoffs

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I was mad at the unnecessary TO on O. Should have bled the clock to 30 sec to assure only our score. I was very vocal about it on the game thread.

The penalty to keep 1st down is always the better call. A down is more important than a yard.

The 2pt, I'm less upset about. The odds are better to always go for it.
 
Say what you like but Tomlin is doing his job successfully! It's a tall order to keep 12 assistant/position coaches and a 53 man roster focused to obtain the goal of winning. Can he do better, of course, but for right now he has once again coached our team into the playoffs!!! 10 and 6, I'll take it.
 
It's easier to be a critic than an NFL head coach.
 
He should have beaten a weak Ravens team last week and we wouldn't ave had to pray for the Jets to lose and us to beat the Browns. But Tomlin is just that coach....just barely good enough. Think what it will be like fter Ben retires. No talent being developed anywhere under Tomlin. We will be the Steelerbrowns.
 
topseed said:
A "***** fest"?

Do you agree with calling a timeout from the 17 on first down with over a minute left in the half?
Do you agree with giving up a down for one extra yard?
Do you agree with going for 2 when you're up by 11 that late in the game?

How shocking that you'd ***** about people voicing these legitimate concerns with questionable coaching decisions. In any thread. You'd also be whining about it if someone had the audacity to start a new thread...how could anyone possibly criticize Tomlin after a win?

Like I said: All your buddy has to do is get lucky enough to win another Super Bowl, and I'll stop bringing up his ****** in-game coaching choices. Simple as that.
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Game........by two/three scores..........never allowing a touchdown to boot. Cant y'all just be happy with a win and stop mining for bitching material ? Hell, im convinced we could win the next game 49-14 and theres gonna be someone criticizing a fourth down decision or a trick play call. Football aint about perfection and neither is life. It is about executing your best, giving your all and letting the rest of that which you cant control, fall into place.

I swear, some of you all expect 16-0 seasons, 12-for-15 3rd down conversion rates, 20 pt victory margins and a willingness to abandon any 2pt conversion attempts. Perfection never happens. Ask NE....they cheated and still failed at perfection.

We have like a 70% success rate on 2pt tries...unheard of.....with that amount of success, **** im goin for two every score.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Let's not stop there, maybe Tomlin should have onside kicked too, just in case the Browns scored 3 TDs in the last 10 minutes.

The 2 point conversion attempts throughout the year show that Tomlin is simply gambling. Most 2 point attempts were at odd times that did not really make sense mathematically. That's the point. This guy is using his "gut" to decide when to go for it and that is not good.
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Whats his success rate taking the gamble ? 72%.............you know how ******* good we are at 2pt attempts ? we have tried them twice as much as any team in the league and we have failed only 3 times all season. Theres nothing to argue here. Had we 33% or 50%, id understand....but 11 attempts, 8 successful ? That's not gambling...that's calculating.
 
blitzburghv5 said:
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Game........by two/three scores..........never allowing a touchdown to boot. Cant y'all just be happy with a win and stop mining for bitching material ? Hell, im convinced we could win the next game 49-14 and theres gonna be someone criticizing a fourth down decision or a trick play call. Football aint about perfection and neither is life. It is about executing your best, giving your all and letting the rest of that which you cant control, fall into place.

I swear, some of you all expect 16-0 seasons, 12-for-15 3rd down conversion rates, 20 pt victory margins and a willingness to abandon any 2pt conversion attempts. Perfection never happens. Ask NE....they cheated and still failed at perfection.

We have like a 70% success rate on 2pt tries...unheard of.....with that amount of success, **** im goin for two every score.
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BRAVO....the truth.
 
xjx said:
He should have beaten a weak Ravens team last week and we wouldn't ave had to pray for the Jets to lose and us to beat the Browns. But Tomlin is just that coach....just barely good enough. Think what it will be like fter Ben retires. No talent being developed anywhere under Tomlin. We will be the Steelerbrowns.
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That argument has no merit....How successful will Hoodie be without Brady ? How many SB did Noll win without Bradshaw ?....Landry without Starbauch ? Walsh without Montana ?

Do yall even think about **** before you hit that powerful magic "send/enter" button ?

But think about this......who was it that used two timeouts last week, threw two INTs and contributed greatly in the loss to the Ravens ? Sandlot Jesus.........aka Ben.
 
Pens said:
More stupidity from Tomlin today, going for 2 when we were up 11. Makes no sense, if we fail it is still a two score game, a TD, 2 point conversion and a FG. If it succeeds 2 TDS are required just like if we kicked the extra point. Guy is not very smart and tries too hard to be the man, one and done once again under this idiot.
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Ok....ok...we get your logic, but am I the only one who saw the defense keep the Browns from scoring a TD on 4 red zone possessions? Sorry, since there are stats being thrown around, I liked our odds of them not scoring 2 TDs.
 
I am glad we are in the Playoffs. I still predict we are a one and done team though.
 
blitzburghv5 said:
Whats his success rate taking the gamble ? 72%.............you know how ******* good we are at 2pt attempts ? we have tried them twice as much as any team in the league and we have failed only 3 times all season. Theres nothing to argue here. Had we 33% or 50%, id understand....but 11 attempts, 8 successful ? That's not gambling...that's calculating.
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I fully support the numbers behind going for 2 and I am a big proponent of it based on the math. I'd even be willing to bet most on here support the idea. The thing that is the most confusing to me is that there's just no rhyme or reason to choosing when with this team. I think instead of asking why did we go for 2 there, we should be asking why did we kick the XP?? Except for certain circumstances (down 6 at the end of a game), the math is clearly in our favor to go for 2 EVERY TIME, not just when the mood strikes.
 
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nitsuj1225 said:
I fully support the numbers behind going for 2 and I am a big proponent of it based on the math. I'd even be willing to bet most on here support the idea. The thing that is the most confusing to me is that there's just no rhyme or reason to choosing when with this team. I think instead of asking why did we go for 2 there, we should be asking why did we kick the XP?? Except for certain circumstances (down 6 at the end of a game), the math is clearly in our favor to go for 2 EVERY TIME, not just when the mood strikes.
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That is where i am.....why kick the XP when we are so successful with 2pt conversions...in the Sea/AZ game there were 3 XPs missed.....
 
Vader said:
And I'll listen to the Tomlin nuthuggers when they get their first NFL coaching job. When do you start?
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I never pretend to. But I do tend to listen to those who have. Who do you listen to?
 
warriors42 said:
you know what 8-8 isn't a winning season either, I personally get tired of the no losing season crap that Tomlin nut huggers use to define his greatness.Whats the difference of going 8-8 or 7-9 if you still miss the playoffs. Hell 9-7 still sucks in my opinion if you miss the playoffs.
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Simple math explains it....

-1,0,1

Integers - any number falling less than 0 is a negative number and any number greater than 0 is positive. You asked for the difference - 7-9 equates to a negative number; 8-8 is zero...
Pens said:
It was a horrible choice, going up 12 is way more important than taking a stupid chance to go up 13 which still gets you beat by 2 TDS . Typical Tomlin, always the stupidest guy in the room but too stupid to realize it.
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Do you get mad when your paint doesn't dry fast???
 
topseed said:
A "***** fest"?

Do you agree with calling a timeout from the 17 on first down with over a minute left in the half?
Do you agree with giving up a down for one extra yard?
Do you agree with going for 2 when you're up by 11 that late in the game?

How shocking that you'd ***** about people voicing these legitimate concerns with questionable coaching decisions. In any thread. You'd also be whining about it if someone had the audacity to start a new thread...how could anyone possibly criticize Tomlin after a win?

Like I said: All your buddy has to do is get lucky enough to win another Super Bowl, and I'll stop bringing up his ****** in-game coaching choices. Simple as that.
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Because they FRICKEN WON - that's why. None of us are paid by the team or the NFL - we're here because we're FANS. Yes, you can have your opinion on "how you feel you would have made a coaching decision; but, until you're being paid to make those calls---sit back and know your role, which is FAN.
 
Vader said:
And I'll listen to the Tomlin nuthuggers when they get their first NFL coaching job. When do you start?
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Why would the "nuthuggers" need to get an NFL coaching job when they/we are not complaining about every coaching decision made during the heat of battle in a game?

I've been both soldier and coach, since you brought it up, tough analogy but I kinda see where you're going with it...
 
Ben, Bryant, Blake, Wheaton have all been criticized after the win yesterday, it's not just Tomlin.
 
Comes down to this for me. Mike Tomlin knows infinitely more about football then anyone here. He lives, sleeps and breaths it for probably 10 months of the year and the other 2 he is just thinking about it. He knows extremely sophisticated offensive schemes and designs. I would imagine he knows defensive design better. However, he is a person like any other prone to make mistakes and errors in judgement. When he sends out Blake this Saturday or he decided to fortify the running back position after Bell's injury with extremely inexperienced players, I could easily chalk that up to "he knows his players, he is with them all the time". But when I see him do **** like not kicking the field goal against the Ravens, not accepting the penalty near the goaline yesterday and going for two when there was no real advantage in doing so, it really just opens the door to him not being brilliant and kind of chucking darts at the wall. He won't be fired. They made the playoffs. He would have to be out for a couple years for that to come up at a real level. But I will say this. These are real opportunity years with no great teams out there to add a championship. I believe this team is wasting opportunities with him and eventually Ben will be gone and a certain stench will be unmasked in him.
 
blitzburghv5 said:
Whats his success rate taking the gamble ? 72%.............you know how ******* good we are at 2pt attempts ? we have tried them twice as much as any team in the league and we have failed only 3 times all season. Theres nothing to argue here. Had we 33% or 50%, id understand....but 11 attempts, 8 successful ? That's not gambling...that's calculating.
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So choosing the less likely outcome is not gambling?.

You would have a better argument if Tomlin went for 2 every single time. That would actually make more sense mathematically, but this pick and choose, use your gut approach is stupid.

If the TD put th Steelers up 12, then going for 2 would be right because late in the game there is almost no difference between being up 12 and 13, but being up 14 does make a difference so it would be the correct decision. In this scenario, failing on conversion has no negative outcome, while success is a positive.

The point you are missing is that the Steelers did not gain any significant advantage with 2 points there, but if they failed, they would have lost the advantage of being up 11 instead of 10. In this scenario, failing on conversion creates a negative, while success has no real positive.

The very fact that Tomlin apologists are trying to shout down this valid point is what is so annoying in these debates. It seems that any decision at all is deemed correct if they win. Because shut up, they won!
 
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