The senior bowl measurements, practices and game thread.

[Coach]

NFL.com notes:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...otebook-day-1-montez-sweat-rising-into-top-10

Montez Sweat, edge, Mississippi State: Sweat annihilated everyone he matched up against today during the South team practice. He's going to end up being picked in the top 10, and his performance on Tuesday demonstrates why he's going to be selected so early.
The former Mississippi State star showed that he has developed a few different moves with his hands, and he also showed some variety in how he rushed guys. The bottom line is he used his length to defeat blockers in pass protection on a consistent basis. He's 6-foot-6, 252 pounds with 35 5/8-inch arms. That's a big deal to NFL teams. Everyone knows he's going to grow into his frame like Danielle Hunterdid coming out of LSU, and that's my player comp for him. Hunter wasn't a first-round pick -- he went in the third round -- but Sweat is going to be a first-rounder because teams are going to be quicker to recognize his talent than they were with Hunter.
[FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica]Sweat was the most dominant guy out here on Day 1. If you had him as a late first-rounder, you need to go back and reassess your grade for him. I projected him for the late teens in Round 1 coming into this week, but that might be too low for him. -- Lance Zierlein[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, verdana, helvetica]^^^ I will not say Sweat is a lock for the top ten, that will take another practice of dominance vs different people, but he is trending that way. It will be interesting to see it Sweat passes the much discussed Ed Oliver in the Draft. [/FONT]

 

[ark steel]

Okay, let's check back a few years.


I wasn't a fan of the Dupree pick. He has just been okay.


I did not like the Burns pick, I wanted the trade down ( given the Steelers and extra 3rd ) and would have selected PRO BOWL CB X Howard. Howard had seven interceptions this year. We could use that; meanwhile Burns was benched.


I was perhaps TJ Watt/s greatest advocate and want him in round one. He's in the Pro Bowl.


In the last draft, I wanted Saftey J. Reid in round one, and he easily outperformed Edmunds as a rookie at the same position. For round two I like LB Baker, and he was much better than a disappointing Washington.


So Kev, there you have it. Sure I'll miss some too, but you wanted to see the guys I liked.

I can't think of anyone who didn't want Watts.

Again, you ignore that Howard might not have been available where we traded down to. You DO know that whoever we traded with might have taken him, right? or taken someone that another team wanted, so they take Howards instead?

once again, **** Reid and his 3rd round draft status. His stupidity cost him a 1st round draft contract. I hope to never see him in B&G.

 

[Stryker]

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Top 5 Fastest Players Today for South:
Isaiah Johnson (DB) - 21.7
Gary Jennings (WR) - 21.5
Deebo Samuel (WR) - 21.1
Travis Fulgham (WR) - 20.5
Rock Ya-Sin (DB) - 20.3

Hey Coolie, what is the distance on those times?

 

[CoolieMan]

Hey Coolie, what is the distance on those times?

Those aren't times, they are estimated MPH like they do during games now when a guy has a long run and they show the fastest speed he attained during the play.

 

[nooneuno]

I was perhaps TJ Watt/s greatest advocate and want him in round one. He's in the Pro Bowl.
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Basically 90% of the board was thrilled we drafted Watt yet somehow you proclaim to be his greatest advocate. Just shut up already

 

[steelhurt]

Technically, they never mean ****. That’s why they call them “mocks”.

As we all know there will be a multitude of mocks between now and draft end of April. We will be picking multiple guys with our first round pick depending on whose mock it is. Then on draft day we will run up to the podium and draft a Terrell Edmunds that we all saw coming last year. Sarcasm if you will!

 

[Coach]

Basically 90% of the board was thrilled we drafted Watt yet somehow you proclaim to be his greatest advocate. Just shut up already

Check the archives. I had TJ pegged for our first round pick before others and offered a film break down.

Looks like a good draft for pass rushers. Disappointed in the DB’s so far.

Qb’s? Might be a little better than advertised. If you first round pick at QB is average after the rookie deal is up pick another one in the draft! Don’t give him 20+million a year. Spend that in free agency at other positions.

We’ll see if NFL GM’s trend that way.


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[Vader]

I watch more college football than NFL football. Sweat is going to be a star IMHO. The guy is stout and can abuse an OL. If he doesn't go top 10 somebody is going to get a steal.

 

[Coach]

I can't think of anyone who didn't want Watts.

Again, you ignore that Howard might not have been available where we traded down to. You DO know that whoever we traded with might have taken him, right? or taken someone that another team wanted, so they take Howards instead?

once again, **** Reid and his 3rd round draft status. His stupidity cost him a 1st round draft contract. I hope to never see him in B&G.

I would have taken Howard with or without the trade down. I warned many on Burns. Howard > Burns. History shows who the better player was.

What did Justin Reid say that cost him in the draft. Examples please. He’s smart and interviews well. Just because his brother is an @ss hat doesn’t mean he is.


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[slashsteel]

Okay, let's check back a few years.


I wasn't a fan of the Dupree pick. He has just been okay.


I did not like the Burns pick, I wanted the trade down ( given the Steelers and extra 3rd ) and would have selected PRO BOWL CB X Howard. Howard had seven interceptions this year. We could use that; meanwhile Burns was benched.


I was perhaps TJ Watt/s greatest advocate and want him in round one. He's in the Pro Bowl.


In the last draft, I wanted Saftey J. Reid in round one, and he easily outperformed Edmunds as a rookie at the same position. For round two I like LB Baker, and he was much better than a disappointing Washington.


So Kev, there you have it. Sure I'll miss some too, but you wanted to see the guys I liked.

Wasn't your initial want and you came around later. I not only was pimping him, but actually picked him in the mock contest. The one that you, ya know, picked someone else.

Coach what I notice about you is you have a very selective memory. And what is worse you well tell yourself something inaccurate, and then rehash that inaccuracy a year later. That is the oddest case of memory failure I have ever seen.

 

[ark steel]

I would have taken Howard with or without the trade down. I warned many on Burns. Howard > Burns. History shows who the better player was.

What did Justin Reid say that cost him in the draft. Examples please. He’s smart and interviews well. Just because his brother is an @ss hat doesn’t mean he is.


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I've told you time and again, he had an interview, which I am sure you can find on Youtube, where he expressed his support for this brother's actions. He doesn't say that he would follow suit but I don't know how else it could be taken. I don't know that the GM's/whatever took it the same way, but I don't know how else he made it to the 3rd round.

OTOH, there was another S (Alabama guy?) projected to be taken in the late 1st round, too, that was taken in the 3rd and he didn't have the same issues, to my knowledge.

I'm pretty sure you wanted him over Edmunds (maybe even in the 1st), too, but he had a lesser year than edmunds, soo....

 

[ark steel]

This is the first thread I found in my search:

http://www.steelernationforums.com/...er-to-watch-for-the-2017-draft&highlight=watt

So, yeah, you mention him and several others. it seems to be the first mention, even though it is pretty tepid. you even mention trading down from that spot. In a thread 20 days later, started by FFL, a few people mention Watt, so it isn't like you made some great prognostication that no one else was making.

I will, however, note that the thread contains this gem:

But this year, Colbert seems to have got it right scooping up Cockrell for nothing and drafting Burns.

 

[Superman]

I've told you time and again, he had an interview, which I am sure you can find on Youtube, where he expressed his support for this brother's actions. He doesn't say that he would follow suit but I don't know how else it could be taken. I don't know that the GM's/whatever took it the same way, but I don't know how else he made it to the 3rd round.

OTOH, there was another S (Alabama guy?) projected to be taken in the late 1st round, too, that was taken in the 3rd and he didn't have the same issues, to my knowledge.

I'm pretty sure you wanted him over Edmunds (maybe even in the 1st), too, but he had a lesser year than edmunds, soo....

Ronnie Harrison

Unfortunately, we might need to reach a bit to take a safety in round one, and there are quite a few with second-round grades that could be gone before our #60 overall pick in round two.

Ronnie Harrison is worth it for us in round one, but he won't be there so cross him off the list. I am very interested in Terrell Edmunds ( round two ), as he can play SS or LB in the nickel. We'll see how he works out. If Edmunds runs well, the chances of getting him in round two decrease.

Cutting Mitchell will be addition by subtraction. Singing a free agent safety in the offseason could be the best move, then we can go BPA on another safety in round two or three without worrying about addressing the need.

http://www.steelernationforums.com/...p=476366&highlight=Ronnie+Harrison#post476366

 

[Coach]

LB/Nickle: Terrill Hanks Hanks delivered a fantastic hit, standing up and stopping running back near the hole. Hanks has been impressive statistically in pass coverage. He showed he can hit and tackle well. If he runs well, I think he can make a 3 down ILB. Hanks could be a day two pick. I like what I saw so far.


https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/terrill-hanks-1.html

NFL.com reports Hanks has a good day two:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...notebook-day-2-shades-of-darius-leonard-in-lb

Terrill Hanks, LB, New Mexico State: His speed has jumped out in both of his practices this week. I see some similarities to Colts All-Pro rookie Darius Leonard in terms of production and body type. Leonard's rise began at the Senior Bowl last year, and Hanks is picking up where Leonard left off here in Mobile. -- Daniel Jeremiah

 

[Coach]

I've told you time and again, he had an interview, which I am sure you can find on Youtube, where he expressed his support for this brother's actions. He doesn't say that he would follow suit but I don't know how else it could be taken. I don't know that the GM's/whatever took it the same way, but I don't know how else he made it to the 3rd round.

OTOH, there was another S (Alabama guy?) projected to be taken in the late 1st round, too, that was taken in the 3rd and he didn't have the same issues, to my knowledge.

I'm pretty sure you wanted him over Edmunds (maybe even in the 1st), too, but he had a lesser year than edmunds, soo....

This put a puts a draft prospect in a tight spot as he has to trash his brother. Probably 50% of the league is for taking a knee, Ark. Remember the Steelers voted on that crap and stay in the locker room beat out stand on the field! does this mean the Steelers should drop those in favor of it? Ark, please answer that question. We might have 50% or more of the team supporting his brother.


Reid is not his brother, he's his own man and had zero issues off the field. He's rather smart.


I cooled on Harrison as more information, and his workouts came out. He wasn't fast enough and looked little stiff, meaning he would not do well in coverage. You need to date these comments. When new information comes in, players go up or down. The most important this is the final call.


My final call was Reid > Edumnds who I liked in rounds 2-3, and no I did not want Harrison in rounds 1-2 after his workouts.

 

[kev4heels]

Okay, let's check back a few years.


I wasn't a fan of the Dupree pick. He has just been okay.


I did not like the Burns pick, I wanted the trade down ( given the Steelers and extra 3rd ) and would have selected PRO BOWL CB X Howard. Howard had seven interceptions this year. We could use that; meanwhile Burns was benched.


I was perhaps TJ Watt/s greatest advocate and want him in round one. He's in the Pro Bowl.


In the last draft, I wanted Saftey J. Reid in round one, and he easily outperformed Edmunds as a rookie at the same position. For round two I like LB Baker, and he was much better than a disappointing Washington.


So Kev, there you have it. Sure I'll miss some too, but you wanted to see the guys I liked.

I see them, but I know the truth Coach (joel). You are revisionist that enjoys basking in the glow of good picks but fail to admit all of the ones you missed.
Eddie Lacy ring a bell? How about Quintin Rollins?

 

[Coach]

Wasn't your initial want and you came around later. I not only was pimping him, but actually picked him in the mock contest. The one that you, ya know, picked someone else.

Coach what I notice about you is you have a very selective memory. And what is worse you well tell yourself something inaccurate, and then rehash that inaccuracy a year later. That is the oddest case of memory failure I have ever seen.

Timelines for you


Initial thoughts on TJ Watt 01-05-2017, 04:01 PM


http://www.steelernationforums.com/...er-to-watch-for-the-2017-draft&highlight=Watt






Up first, TJ Watt.


Watt shows strong hands, the ability to shift his body while moving or fight off blocks and good motor. The speed is competitive, not elite. He's not a pure edge speed rusher with a burst around the corner like say Porter was, but seems somewhat similar to Kevin Greene's pinball like pass rushing approach.


For a pass rusher, Watt is pretty strong and active vs the run ( 63 tackles in 14 games ) , with extra splash play ability to swat down passes ( 4 last season ), and some hitting ability to force fumbles ( 2 last season ).


http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2017/03...on-highlights/


http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/...tj-watt-1.html





I welcome anyone to post who they like and who they would have taken during the draft process.


Coach's call 4-29-17, on who he would have taken


our draft would have been what?




1 ) FS Reid. I don't have access to background reports, so if there were character issues such Reid plans to be an anthem take a knee media guy, I'd pass and take another player. Until then he's a good cover guy, fast 4.40 speed and tall at 6'1". Great hands. A true sideline to sideline defender, for man, or zone. Not ideal for slot coverage, but so what we'd got corners for that. For the record, I did like Edumunds and mentioned him in my mock drafts, just not for round one. If it were round two, I would have applauded the pick.




2 ) ILB Baker. Baker has rare speed for the position, a need. Williams is too slow. Baker is solid on the blitz, can force fumbles, and gets his hands on his share of passes as well. Good at making tackles behind the line of scrimmage. An OSU guy replaces an OSU guy, with Shazier offering pointers.




3A ) QB Rudolph. I would have been all right with Rudolph in round two; he's a steal in round three! Same pick as the Steelers. A top deep passer, good on leading receivers. The fact is the Steelers, while Ben is playing will never have a top 10 pick, which is where the best prospects go, so this pick is a calculated one. We'll find out if Rudolph can play after 100 practices and a few pre-season games. I think he went to the right team. An impressive speaker with a good football mind, he'll work to get better.


3B ) DT/NT Phillips. Strong as a bull yet very active vs. the run or pass, with unusual stamina and effort for a large player. This guy loves to play football and can get into the backfield. He's exactly what we need in 3 or 4 man fronts. Hargrave to me gets pushed around too often and doesn't add much as a pass rusher.


5A ) Punter Dickson. I think he's a Pro Bowl punter, about 1.3 million cheaper than Berry. A Pin them back, drop it inside the 10-yard line, a guy who can boom if for instance, go for hang time type of punter. A really good punter can help a defense, which is the theme of my draft


5B ) RB Samuels, Same pick, same round. A do it all type, who has some speed. A beast in the red zone. We can use a player like this. A Steeler power back, who can play some H back too. Decent speed. Very scheme flexible.


7 ) WR Foster. A former five-star recruit for Alamaba, he did not pan out or get drafted. However, he's 6'2" tall with 4.4 speed and moldable traits for the coaches. Foster has rare upside for round seven. I wonder if he could return kicks if given the chance?


https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/...ege-conference




http://www.steelernationforums.com/...-have-been-what-Post-them-here&highlight=Watt




Burns on film


http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2016/05...ets-games-1-4/


So I watched 4 minutes and 32 seconds of Burns clips of his first 4 games.


Strengths: He's a very good jump ball player, especially when the ball is in the air for a while and the players aren't moving. He'll cut in front of his man, and has the hands and physicality to come down with the football. His coverage is better when he's outside the hash marks in general.


Weaknesses: He gets ripped by slant plays and square outs. His coverage seems off here, perhaps because he loses some speed on turns I saw quite a few completions in incompletions where his man was open. I would not put him in the slot, its just not his game right now, perhaps ever.


His ability to recognize routes needs work.


I also think his zone defense needs a lot of work.


The quality of QB's show in his clip is nothing but average, and in many cases the UM pass rush was making it harder on the QB's.


Sorry guys, While Burns has physical upside but he's going to need a lot of work. He's not close to NFL ready. Unless he greatly improves in camp, he's not going to play much this season unless people ahead of him at corner get hurt.

 

[CoolieMan]

No one gives a ****

 

[ark steel]

This put a puts a draft prospect in a tight spot as he has to trash his brother. Probably 50% of the league is for taking a knee, Ark. Remember the Steelers voted on that crap and stay in the locker room beat out stand on the field! does this mean the Steelers should drop those in favor of it? Ark, please answer that question. We might have 50% or more of the team supporting his brother.

They elected to stay in the locker room, not as a protest of the anthem, but to avoid the issue entirely. I don't recall any of our players sitting/kneeling/etc. or saying they sympathize. IMO, if they did, yes, I say boot them. I don't care who it is. I can elect not to watch. I did so when they hired that PoS as a back up QB, I can do it again.

I assumed he is smart coming out of Stanford. Still don't care. Not kneeling at a college game is not equivalent to what you might expect from him as a pro. At college, he has no protections from team or coach recriminations. So, the fact he had no "off the field" issues is irrelevant. He gave an interview that said he supported it. That is "off the field issues" to me.
I don't know if his brother does either. Don't care, either.

When you make so many calls, some stick and some don't. When you ignore those that don't while touting those that did, people will call you out on it, especially, if those are only a few days apart.

 

[slashsteel]

You can timeline all you want it still doesn't change the facts. coach likes to target 5 to 10 players, then when 1 gets picked that was my guy! lulz

coach you kill me.

 

[slashsteel]

One site I watch game footage is down. Anyone have a site we can watch two to three games played of these NFL prospects?

 

[Coach]

Senior bowl day 2 practice notes




WR Debbo Samuel is impressive. He has speed and size, buried Rock Ya Sin, perhaps the best DB on the field in a one on one WR vs DB match up one that had a bad pass. On a play in a scrimmage with 11 players, he ran a double move and made a tough catch. Best WR's I've seen so far, in or out of the Senior Bowl. Possible top 20 overall pick. Looks to have sub 4.5 speed.


https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/deebo-samuel-1.html



WR Renfro. Like 7-11, he's open thanks to quick feet and good body control. Looks like a veteran.



CB Rock Ya Sin. Very competitive, tall, but needs to watch his hands. Adjust well when the ball is in the air. Can break up passes well. Doesn't look very fast, but he's not slow either. Best DB at the senior bowl.



WR: Penny Hart. Very small ( 5'8" tall, 170 pounds ), but there isnt a DB on the field that can stay with him one on one. Elite level quickness. Hart would work well with a quick release type of QB that spots open receivers quickly.



DT Buggs: Strong, quick, polished with multiple moves. Not very big at 6'2" 286, but this kid can play. I liked his motor as well. A team that plays a lot of 4-3 should love him.



OL Dru Samia. Really impressed me in pass protection. Dominated his opponents on the one on one drills. Can handle a bull rush or speed and has nasty in him. Gave up no sacks as a senior and sophomore. Looks like a RT or G to me and a darn good one. I bet his stock went up.


https://www.seniorbowl.com/player-view.php?p=2808&squad=South



DE/Edge Carl Granderson Tall and learn, he's too quick for most Tackles. A fantastic speed rusher, but does not look like a run defender and underachieved in college. A boom or bust type. Or if you prefer a one trick pony. I want to see him again.


https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/carl-granderson-1.html

 

[Coach]

You can timeline all you want it still doesn't change the facts. coach likes to target 5 to 10 players, then when 1 gets picked that was my guy! lulz

coach you kill me.

The timeline shows I liked Watt very early in the process. I did a film review on him as well. If you want to read it, I'll look for it. Like I said, there are lots of guys you like if you follow the process. What matters most to me is who I would have drafted the day of the draft, which is what I say.

Over the years I hated the Hood, Jones, Golson and Burns picks...,gee they didn't do so well. Not a fan of the Davis pick either.

This is not to say I don't like some of the Steeler early picks. Watt for example.

 

[ark steel]

The timeline shows I liked Watt very early in the process. I did a film review on him as well. If you want to read it, I'll look for it. Like I said, there are lots of guys you like if you follow the process. What matters most to me is who I would have drafted the day of the draft, which is what I say.

Over the years I hated the Hood, Jones, Golson and Burns picks...,gee they didn't do so well. Not a fan of the Davis pick either.

This is not to say I don't like some of the Steeler early picks. Watt for example.

Again, you were not "right" on Golson. you thought he was injury prone because of his size. The injury that kept him out of football had zero to do with this size.

from my earlier post

I will, however, note that the thread contains this gem:

But this year, Colbert seems to have got it right scooping up Cockrell for nothing and drafting Burns.

Clearly this was AFTER drafting Burns.

 

[Superman]

Again, you were not "right" on Golson. you thought he was injury prone because of his size. The injury that kept him out of football had zero to do with this size.

from my earlier post


Clearly this was AFTER drafting Burns.

Cooch is right until he's decided he's not, but then he's never wrong.