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The Official Thread Dedicated to "Trump Winning"

Tim Steelersfan said:
I'm with you, I'd like to see someone UNITE this country. I'm also however a realist. The political game has gotten worse, more sinister, for decades.

Example: The more lobbyists affect Washington and line the pockets of politicians, the greater the game becomes, the greater the dollars become and the problem grows and grows.

Another Example: Urban violence. Violence begets violence. It takes a massive force to stop those types of tides. That's why we see places like Chicago get worse, and worse, and worse. It's rare to see someone like a Rudy G. come along and turn the tides in a place like NYC.

I'm merely pointing out that the political game shifted quite a bit under Obama. He told us what was important and to be protested, and ridiculed rights and values Americans held near and dear to their hearts at the same time. And people warned, it's going to come back...worse, if we get one of ours elected. And in ways it has. I wish Trump would do more to unite personally.

But don't be one of those people saying it started with Trump. It didn't. He's just elevating the game that's been played. And it'll keep getting worse until we have some fundamental change - a new dynamic change-agent President or something drastic happening in this country.

I'm by no means 100% on board with what this man does. But I do like the shake up. Very much. And I have little problem with him telling Americans - albeit not eloquently - boycott if you have a problem with a billion dollar enterprise that reaches millions of children and Americans portraying values you disagree with. No problem with that at all.
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Just stop. Tim, I agree with 99% of what you post. But you are wrong on this. Even without his language on this issue, he has no right to tell, encourage, suggest, whatever--that people boycott any kind of business, billion dollar or otherwise. He should be encouraging discourse on this very sensitive subject, not trying to stifle it. He should be figuring out ways to get the right people at the table to figure these problems out. Instead, he may as well have called the protesters ni**ers. I mean blacks are the ones protesting, mostly. Calling them sons of ******* isn't any better. You can spin it any way you want, but the guy is out of line, and flat out wrong.
 
As if taking on the NFL wasn't enough - calling the players 'sons of *******' - Trump has now started a fight with Stephen Curry and the NBA as well. The Warriors will not be visiting the WH as a result. Lebron James just called him ''a bum.' Just read the NC basketball team has also rescinded their WH invitation.

If anything, Trump will have succeeded in consolidating and empowering all those that oppose him. NFL players and owners have come out in the strongest terms against the President.

It pains me how right I was about what will happen if Trump wins the election. Division, turmoil, chaos. All self inflicted wounds, all of this could have been easily avoided if he'd just shut his ******* trap.

I don't think we've seen nothing yet, as far as the backlash against this 'son of a *****'.
 
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Tibs said:
As if taking on the NFL wasn't enough - calling the players 'sons of *******' - Trump has now started a fight with Stephen Curry and the NBA as well. The Warriors will not be visiting the WH as a result. Lebron James just called him ''a bum.' Just read the NC basketball team has also rescinded their WH invitation.

If anything, Trump will have succeeded in consolidating and empowering all those that oppose him. NFL players and owners have come out in the strongest terms against the President.

It pains me how right I was about what will happen if Trump wins the election. Division, turmoil, chaos. All self inflicted wounds, all of this could have been easily avoided if he'd just shut his ******* trap.

I don't think we've seen nothing yet, as far as the backlash against this 'son of a *****'.
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40 years of leftist identity politics are the cause of the division not President Trump. As I have said before and I will probably wind up saying multiple times in the future, you folks on the left look at this last election as being stolen from you by the electoral college. This is about nothing more than this happening twice in the last 16 years and and you neo socialists are throwing a kicking screaming temper tantrum.
 
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DBS1970 said:
40 years of leftist identity politics are the cause of the division not President Trump.
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The only thing more revolting than Trump himself are his supporters that constantly make excuses for his unacceptable behavior.
 
Taking a knee on the sideline is nothing but a empty gesture. An insult to the flag. If these guys really wanted to do something they would invest some of there millions on the neighborhoods where they grew up.There nothing more than spoiled millionaire brats doing it for the camera for attention. The only thing the NFL has inspired kids to do is have 10 babies with 10 different babies mamas and slap them around when they get out of line. Or go roll a fat one and get high. I do believe they have the right to express there beliefs and have freedom of speech, just not while there on the clock doing there job. I also believe BLM , the KKK and any other idiot fringe group has those same rights.That's what the difference in the right and left is. The left wants to pick and choose who has those rights. I say all groups have the same rights , doesn't matter if I like them or not. This guy nails it, in the video below

https://www.facebook.com/newlypress/videos/1890963164501389/
 
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The First Amendment does NOT protect you from getting fired. If you do something to exercise your "free speech" rights that goes against what your employer believes, you very well may get fired. If an NFL team owner says "Stand for the National Anthem," and you take a knee, you are in violation of rules. You deserve to get fired. Some NFL owners have come out in support of the players taking a knee, and that is their right. Some have not or have said that ALL players stand. That too, is their right.

What is misguided is WHY these athletes are protesting. Kaepernick was raised by white parents who adopted him out of his black family- a family where the mom used drugs and couldn't care for him. He neglects to acknowledge that part. He thinks whites are evil and is a strong supporter of the BLM movement- another misguided group. Michael Bennett is also protesting. He talked about how he was treated by the cops in Vegas, but leaves out quite a bit as to his narrative. He only talked about how the cops were to him AFTER he refused to follow their demands. Look- these athletes have the right to protest, even if they are misguided. The President has the right to call them out on it as well. I think wayyy too much is being made over the "sons of *******" comment and turning it into a race thing. But hey- if the media can turn it and sell it and the dumbass sheeple buy it, then it's all ok, right?
 
The Official Thread Dedicated to "Trump Winning"

Like anyone with a job, an NFL player's conduct is part of their employment agreement. The team can decide whether they accept any behaviour and may act accordingly.

At the same time, the consumers of the team/league products also get to vote with their feet. It seems like ratings declines started last season, as the protests against the flag/government/military/citizenry started. Maybe it's a coincidence or maybe not.

Trump has certainly galvanized the discussion. I would think those protesting would welcome this higher profile for their cause.

What is missing from this protest is a clear and simple message of the exact nature of the protest. With the higher profile, courtesy of Trump, the players need to articulate their issue. If they don't elevate/engage the discussion they started now, then they will need to question the motive for their protesting actions.

Whether you like the protest or the President's comments about, the clear platform for discussing the issue is present.

What will happen?


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And I think, to some degree anyway, teams have decided to allow these protests. Some probably won't. Bet you see hundreds of players kneeling today. if it pissed you off before, you are going to lose your mind today, no doubt.
 
Sarge said:
And I think, to some degree anyway, teams have decided to allow these protests. Some probably won't. Bet you see hundreds of players kneeling today. if it pissed you off before, you are going to lose your mind today, no doubt.
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It will piss people off and people will continue to turn the TV off. If it wasn't for the Steelers I wouldn't watch a single game. If our players do it, I'm done. You think it is coincidence the ratings are so down. People are sick of this **** and Trump tapped right into it. I don't watch or go to ESPN's website anymore just for this reason.
 
How about putting the camera on the FLAG as the National Anthem plays? Isn't that what all the hoopla is about? Don't give the protestors camera time.
 
In my opinion, protesters for any cause are just attention needy people who complain in public for their own gratification while waiting on others to actually do the work required to make change happen for their cause. They are foolish.
That being said, they have the right to do so. I don't believe any workplace is the right format to do so and I damn sure know that a time when we honor our flag and those who fought for our freedom is not the time to do it. It's disrespectful. It shows a lot about the character( or lack of) of those who do so.
 
Steelerlyn said:
How about putting the camera on the FLAG as the National Anthem plays? Isn't that what all the hoopla is about? Don't give the protestors camera time.
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Doesn't fit with the media's agenda. They are just feeding themselves. The more conflict we have, the more revenue they get. More conflict = More website visits, more ad revenue, maybe more newspaper sales for the older generation
 
Trump didn't create liberal hate, his election exposed it.

Likewise Trump didn't make this country any more divided then it already was. His election exposed it.
 
Sarge said:
And I think, to some degree anyway, teams have decided to allow these protests. Some probably won't. Bet you see hundreds of players kneeling today. if it pissed you off before, you are going to lose your mind today, no doubt.
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Jags and Rats, about 75% kneeling.
 
The Goose that Laid the Golden Egg is being killed...........by the injection of politics into professional sports. Just ask ESPN ow that turns out. For the owners, advertisers, sponsors, agents, and players, professional sports is a business.Politics is not good business, unless you are a politician. The players have hit the lottery. The have made it to the top of the food chain, and are now beginning to kill the food source. The customers that pay for it all are the average American, and players are in the process of alienating that customer base. No one is saying that players don't have the right to speak their minds, but they also need to realize that there are consequences for taking a stand that others may find offensive.

The goose is being cooked..........and the smell is not very appetizing.
 
Michael Rappaport saying what needs to be said.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Knee is taken!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stephcurry?src=hash">#stephcurry</a> #<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/kapernick?src=hash">#kapernick</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KneeIsTaken?src=hash">#KneeIsTaken</a> <a href="https://t.co/g5POifTYHF">pic.twitter.com/g5POifTYHF</a></p>— MichaelRapaport (@MichaelRapaport) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelRapaport/status/911625396537274368">September 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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The NFL is in a tough spot (although they kind of made this bed).

You can't "fire" NFL players. That's not how it works. We all know this. It is too meritocracy of a system. Teams just can't gut their rosters of top-50 or top-30 or top-10 talents on their rosters and expect to remain competitive over this issue. Some here might love the idea of firing anyone that kneels during the anthem but once the team starts losing, you might sing a different tune. Not saying everyone, but some. And the "team bond" might prevent it as well. I mean, what if the starting quarterback says "you cut my favorite WR, I'm not playing this week". What do you really expect the team to do? How far are you willing to go to defend the "line in the sand"? What if they protest in a different way you don't like either? What if after every good play they celebrate by raising a fist and holding up the game for 60 seconds? Would you rather the protests start interrupting the games?

I don't agree with them because I don't agree with their cause, not because of how they are expressing themselves.

This is a very slippery slope on this. No matter what the decision, you are going to piss people off. No matter what the NFL does, it might lose fans (and it's already losing fans for a plethora of other reasons).

I didn't really like what Trump said or did on this. His answer of "firing them" isn't an answer. It's impractical. Separates teams/owners that will allow it and teams/owners that might not.

The NFL (not surprisingly) handled this wrong from the start. At the very first sign of protest, they should have made a rule saying you HAVE to stand or you get fined $10,000. Just like a uniform violation. Should have sent out the memo the week after Kaepernick did it. But they didn't. They thought, okay we'll just let them choose and look the other way. But that hasn't worked. Now they've hitched their wagon to allow protests on company time and it might be hard to get the cat back into the bag. Even if you disallow it, the players might find another way to be controversial or disruptive or push the buttons of middle america.
 
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JMM said:
Doesn't fit with the media's agenda. They are just feeding themselves. The more conflict we have, the more revenue they get. More conflict = More website visits, more ad revenue, maybe more newspaper sales for the older generation
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This is it in a nut shell. The "news" has become a soap box for ratings, and the public in general hasn't quite figured that out.........yet.
 
Vflotta said:
‪Our President is a divider. Extremely concerning when "dealing" (like a 5th grader) w/other countries. DT Terribly, insecure person. Sad!‬
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You are not fooling anyone Elftard. hopefully your stay here will be measured in minutes.
 
Tibs said:
Michael Rappaport saying what needs to be said.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Knee is taken!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stephcurry?src=hash">#stephcurry</a> #<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/kapernick?src=hash">#kapernick</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KneeIsTaken?src=hash">#KneeIsTaken</a> <a href="https://t.co/g5POifTYHF">pic.twitter.com/g5POifTYHF</a></p>— MichaelRapaport (@MichaelRapaport) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelRapaport/status/911625396537274368">September 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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How much you want to bet he didn't vote....
 
Great job President Trump, you ******* pea-brained buffoon.


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Take a knee: Dozens of NFL players stage biggest protest yet in response to Donald Trump comments
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...national-anthem-wembley-stadium-a7964611.html

Around two dozen NFL players knelt while the American national anthem played at Wembley Stadium in defiance of Donald Trump, who suggested players who take a knee during the anthem should be fired.

Among the players who took a knee were Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs, C J Mosley, wide receiver Mike Wallace and safety Lardarius Webb, as well as Jacksonville Jaguars running back Leonard Fournette and Dante Fowler, defensive tackle Calais Campbell, dfensive end Yannick Ngakoue and cornerback Jalen Ramsey.

Players on both teams and Jaguars owner Shad Khan, who were not kneeling, remained locked arm-in-arm throughout the playing of the national anthem and "God Save The Queen."

No players were kneeling during the British national anthem.

The US President had suggested National Football League owners whose players decide to take a knee during the national anthem should be fired.
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