I totally agree with this statement. I'm fine with a fair long term deal. Just not the biggest OLB deal cause he is one of the best FA's edge players available this particular year. This is one of those Franchise tag situations that might actually hurt the possibility of the long term deal. Normally the tag can induce a fair long term deal because the player wants long term security. Well in the end between his option and the tag he is going to get 25 million of fully guaranteed money before he reaches FA next year. If the Steelers would have gave Bud 25 million guarenteed last season in a long term deal they would have looked insane.
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I totally agree with this statement. I'm fine with a fair long term deal. Just not the biggest OLB deal cause he is one of the best FA's edge players available this particular year. This is one of those Franchise tag situations that might actually hurt the possibility of the long term deal. Normally the tag can induce a fair long term deal because the player wants long term security. Well in the end between his option and the tag he is going to get 25 million of fully guaranteed money before he reaches FA next year. If the Steelers would have gave Bud 25 million guarenteed last season in a long term deal they would have looked insane.
So many elements go into this. Bud was groomed to fit the scheme and was raw. You could bring in another OLBer to replace him and it could open a hole in one of the three areas that wasn't there last year. Nobody is advocating over paying him and the Steelers have the tag at their disposal to us if need be. And more than likely use it if need be. Their intention is to sign him long term,and I think they will offer him a deal on where they value him. Not where we value him.
If you listen to some of these fans they would gut half the team. But their replacement suggestions are usually either an obvious downgrade or could potentially cost more than what Bud would with still the same concerns as mentioned.
For the most part I trust Omar/Colbert to figure it out, and are very aware of the tasks at hand.
My frustration with them is that they seem to be "at times" knuckle draggers. I do realize it takes both sides to get deals done.
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OH really? Which of yinz crying about Bud getting PAID were the ones saying we couldn't pay Pouncey the money he got because he's a center? The hypocrisy of this board....
I think some of us, like myself, look at it this way, in order for us to keep Dupree long term, it's going to take over paying for him. There's teams out there with a ton of space that would throw big money 18+ at him because they have the space and he's a pass rusher. That's what I don't want to see happen, us over pay for him because other teams are willing to over pay.
Yeah, you bring that up all the time, I never said one word about Pouncey.
If a player is the best or one of the best at their position, I'm all for paying to keep him. Bud is not one of those players.
I see your train of thought but I think they will tag him before overpaying him. There has been teams that would overpay a lot of our past free agents. Yet the club managed to keep the majority of starters that they wanted to.
I guess I base my outlook on Colbert and co.work over the last decade which brings me confidence something will be worked out without breaking the bank.
They are basing their argument based on what some ****** team with cap space can pay him on the open market. Once you tag him, that argument is null and void. He's either playing for the tag $ or he can negotiate a long term deal. What failed with Bell was his desire to be paid WR like money. They will hammer out a deal with Bud to keep him in black and gold. Then they can shut the **** up and move on to their next faux crisis. Reminds me of another group of people most loathe.....
Let's be truthful, how often has a tag and trade actually happened? I don't think that is realistic. But I do think they've learned from the Bell fiasco and will act very responsibly in handling Bud.
Damn, rub some vagisil on your vagina already.
Yes, if we tag him, no other team can sign him, everyone knows that. Bud and his agent will still know what his open market value would be, if the Steelers tag him and offer him a deal that's 14 million per over 4 years, but his agent knows there's a couple other teams that would give him 18 per and more guaranteed, why would Bud sign the long term deal here?
I've said a million times, I'd be fine giving him 13-14 per on a long term deal, and yet you still ******* ***** and cry that we don't want to sign him.
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And many on this board wanted to pay Bell that type of money... oh the hypocrisy of this board.
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Not the same thing. Bell demanded a dollar amount after being tagged and didn't take what he was offered. We aren't there yet with Bud and probably will not be because Bud isn't asking to get paid dollars that another position makes (you know cause Bell asked for WR money). For the record I did not think we should have paid Bell the big time long term money. RBs are too easily replaced in this league. Skilled OLBs are not. Nice try though...
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I wasn't trying I was succeeding. I was pointing out how easily your theory is shown to be lacking. Bell was/is a better player at his position than Dupree. Bell was one of the top RBs in the league for years. Bud isn't even in the top right now. Yet you want to break the bank to pay a guy for one good year out of 5. Talk about hypocrisy.
Also: Watt, Harrison, Porter, Gildon, Woodley, Worilds, and Haggans off the top of my head were good/great OLBs. The Steelers have always found OLBs to fit their system. The idea Bud can't be replace is just silly. Whoever is opposite Watt is getting a great job. Over paying Bud because "Nobody else can do it" is short sighted and a foolish waste of money.
Most of those OLBs, Harrison, Porter, Gildon & Lloyd were late bloomers, just like Bud is. You're not going to be over paying the man, you're going to pay him current market value and realize that when this CBA does get done, this year or next; the current market value becomes a bargain when others who are lesser players make larger annual salaries. I still firmly believe the arrow is pointing up for Bud. He turned a major corner this year and showed how disruptive he can be. That should be rewarded with a long term deal, not because we can't replace him.
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And no, you failed to succeed....nice try again though.
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Nice try but a totally inadequate response. You are over paying him because he's only shown he can do it one year.... out of 5. Also they weren't all late bloomers. That's a myth. Porter started all 16 games his 2nd year and had 10.5 sacks, 1 int. 3 PDs, with 2 FF. He had done more in 3 years than Dupree has done in 5. Lloyd started 16 games his 2nd season and had 3 ints, 1 FF, 7 sacks, and 92 tackles. Please stop you're making yourself look terrible. Nice try again though.
Don;t confuse them with facts we need to resign the football god Bud who has just been a guy and even last year had more than a few gift sacks and couldn't stop the run against the rats in a must win situation. Paying good but not great players a ton of money is how you continue to not win playoff games or even make the playoffs.
You gonna take an L like Omar's 49ers did in the Super Bowl. Is this really what our offseason's have boiled down to? Pencil neck nerds like Vader and Coryea playing fake Madden GM because they want to fit someone within a salary structure. Stick to video games, please.
The man is getting paid by the Steelers, and we should all celebrate this as opposed to having another Jarvis situation.
If we tag Dupree at 16 million there will be only 4 guys at the position earning more .... Mack , Miller, C. Jones, Z. Smith ........ seems a crazy amount or is it?
Take into account salaries continue to rise yearly along with the salary cap.
The tag is an option used to retain a player while giving you some extra time to negotiate a long term deal or just squeeze one more year out if you have a decent team and a window of opportunity.
Bud has progressed and you can argue that it took 5 years to get somewhere but the reality of it is .... this is the point we are at now........ would the team be better off had he failed miserably in his contract year?. Would any of us be celebrating that the Steelers had failed picking another 1st round OLB ...... I think not
We have some big decisions to make as a franchise .
I hope they can come to a reasonable amount in the $12-13 million range for 4 years max if they feel he is an intregal part of the DEF. Otherwise you eat the $16 mill for one year on the tag and prepare for next year's consequences when they arrive. If Ben R. returns and plays a little above average this DEF will see the field less, remain fresh later in games and have the chance to be a top 5 unit. That makes the tag of Bud worth the risk to me. Like Cope said earlier...... Use the non exclusive as it will give you more options and get a better idea of what the market values Bud at. If you can score 1st round picks in a trade then at least you are getting some return value
Bottom line to me is that this is by far going to be a huge window opening or closing depending how Ben responds. We are better off to have as many other pieces of the team in place to support a run.
If Ben can't come back to form and decides to pack it in .....God forbid........ We will have more money to secure the likes of Watt and Fitzpatrick. Then all we have to do is draft the next Ben and relive 2005.. lol
Take into account salaries continue to rise yearly along with the salary cap.
The tag is an option used to retain a player while giving you some extra time to negotiate a long term deal or just squeeze one more year out if you have a decent team and a window of opportunity.
Bud has progressed and you can argue that it took 5 years to get somewhere but the reality of it is .... this is the point we are at now........ would the team be better off had he failed miserably in his contract year?. Would any of us be celebrating that the Steelers had failed picking another 1st round OLB ...... I think not
We have some big decisions to make as a franchise .
I hope they can come to a reasonable amount in the $12-13 million range for 4 years max if they feel he is an intregal part of the DEF. Otherwise you eat the $16 mill for one year on the tag and prepare for next year's consequences when they arrive. If Ben R. returns and plays a little above average this DEF will see the field less, remain fresh later in games and have the chance to be a top 5 unit. That makes the tag of Bud worth the risk to me. Like Cope said earlier...... Use the non exclusive as it will give you more options and get a better idea of what the market values Bud at. If you can score 1st round picks in a trade then at least you are getting some return value
Bottom line to me is that this is by far going to be a huge window opening or closing depending how Ben responds. We are better off to have as many other pieces of the team in place to support a run.
If Ben can't come back to form and decides to pack it in .....God forbid........ We will have more money to secure the likes of Watt and Fitzpatrick. Then all we have to do is draft the next Ben and relive 2005.. lol
I'm with Paul G 100%. I don't advocate a long term contract for Bud. I'm going short term, by tagging him for a year. I don't worry about next year, because he's a much lower priority to sign next season with all the other FAs.
I also agree the $12-$13 range seems about right for a multi year deal IMHO, and I wouldn't be upset if they signed Bud to that deal.
I also agree the $12-$13 range seems about right for a multi year deal IMHO, and I wouldn't be upset if they signed Bud to that deal.
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ohh look what you did now, Vader. Numbnuts57 is pissing and moaning all over this thread because you called him out on his dumbassery; heck, I just "liked" your post and he has to throw my name in there. You done gone and done it now, Vader!
Many probably had a strong opinion over picking up Bud's option year at a now measely 9 million.
My how things progress in just one season ............ I love me some turmoil...... bag of dicks delivery sales will go up at the same rate of speed as the markets are crashing down today
Nice, response, nice. Celebrate one good season.
Oh ****, Hines57 will be along any minute to call you a pencil neck Madden playing Nerd.
good thing we aren't dealing with that headache anymore either.
We will see how they ***** and moan after Bud gets franchise tagged.
Better yet, when Watt gets around $30M a year on his deal we will see the true color of some of the posters here.