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Tag and trade Bud?

All reports are that BUD is a worker and works hard in both practice and conditioning aspects of the game. I haven't heard or read any "HEADLINE" news reports involving him either. I think he is the kind of player the STEELERS and fans want on this team.

Another BIG factor is "Joey Porter" is now gone. Could BUD be getting what I think is better coaching and has helped him emerge......?


NO I don't want to spend an arm and a leg but I do want this piece of the puzzle remaining in our defense. Sign BUD and spend the rest on offense. 3 of first four draft picks offense.





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Steelers1356 said:
Can you guarantee one will sign with the Steelers?
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No he can't. Also, who the hell are we gonna get for 8 million per that would be considered good enough? The only OLB that signed for that kind of money and was productive(meaning double digit sacks) was Shaq Barret. That's it, and that was a fluke in my opinion.
 
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Bud had an outstanding season in his CONTRACT year. He's 1 for 5. That's what I ponder most. I'm glad I don't make those decisions.
 
I'm all for signing Bud to a lucrative long term deal, provided the cap models clearly predict the Steelers will be able to resign Both of Watt and Fitzpatrick. If you think you might not be able to then you have to let Bud walk.
 
Steelr4evr said:
Bud had an outstanding season in his CONTRACT year. He's 1 for 5. That's what I ponder most. I'm glad I don't make those decisions.
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Like I said, most of us remember Jason Worilds.
 
Coach said:
If the Steelers can, they should. Dupree is not worth 16 million in a year cap space. Trade him for a 2nd and 4th round pick if possible then use say 8 million on a veteran pass rusher in free agency.
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This simply explains the reason WHY you're not respected.

Why would you disrupt the defensive front??? SMFH...
 
Coryea said:
True, but Bud has had 1 good season out of 5, that's risky giving him big money IMO. He still ranked low in QB hits this season. I know I'll get the "well he was in coverage alot prior to this season", if so, he had 5 career passes defensed prior to this season, only 2 career forced fumbles prior to this season. Watt just this season alone had 8 passes defensed, Bud has 9 in his entire career, Watt had 8 forced fumbles, Bud has 6 in his career, Watt had 4 fumble recoveries, Dupree has 3 in his career, Watt had 36 QB hits, Bud had 50 in his career.
If you're going to pay Dupree big time money, you need more than double digit sacks, which he's only done this season, you need a guy that can knock down passes, cause fumbles, etc. And he needs to be capable of being the guy if Watt goes down with an injury, I don't think he can be that. Without Watt opposite him, I don't see him being a very good player.

13-14 per max on a long term deal
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Harsh assessment. Bud a GREAT season last year and he's had some decent showings in the years past. Coaching is what helped him tremendously even though some (not you) fail to acknowledge that...

Bud needs to be kept.

So let it be written - so let it be done...
 
bermudasteel said:
Harsh assessment. Bud a GREAT season last year and he's had some decent showings in the years past. Coaching is what helped him tremendously even though some (not you) fail to acknowledge that...

Bud needs to be kept.

So let it be written - so let it be done...
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He has vastly improved and he should be kept. He's not getting Mack or Miller money, but he does need to be paid to keep long term. In a couple years when they are crying about overpaying for Minkah and Watt we can remind them how much of a bargain Dupree was.
 
Hines57 said:
He has vastly improved and he should be kept. He's not getting Mack or Miller money, but he does need to be paid to keep long term. In a couple years when they are crying about overpaying for Minkah and Watt we can remind them how much of a bargain Dupree was.
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No one is going to be crying about overpaying those two, they are two of the best at their position.
 
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bermudasteel said:
Harsh assessment. Bud a GREAT season last year and he's had some decent showings in the years past. Coaching is what helped him tremendously even though some (not you) fail to acknowledge that...

Bud needs to be kept.

So let it be written - so let it be done...
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How's that a harsh assessment? Everything I said in there was true, I acknowledged he had a good season, I've even said I'd keep him at 13-14 million per, but other than sacks, he has had one good year when it comes to sacks, the rest QB hits, FF, PD, FR, he hasn't put up the numbers you'd want if you're going to make him one of the highest paid at his position. Why is that harsh?

As for coaching, no one knows, Porter was here when Watt was drafted, does that mean Porter helped Watt? Johnson did really well for a rookie, but he had the same coach as JuJu who didn't have that good of a year.
 
Cope said:
I'm fine with a tag, but I want a non-exclusive one. If some team thinks he's worth 2 firsts, then he's gone.
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I will repeat what I said a while back and now adding to the list.

Outside of Ben,Fitz,Bush,(Heyward - he signs without worrying about a tag) they all would get the non exclusive tag. If I was tagging them and not extending them...And of course they were worthy of a tag to begin with...
 
Lol. You say he isn't worth the tag price but apparently there are teams out there stupid enough to give up draft picks for him and take on the salary.
 
bermudasteel said:
This simply explains the reason WHY you're not respected.

Why would you disrupt the defensive front??? SMFH...
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MORE importantly about his respect it


YOU CAN"T TRADE HIM UNLESS YOU TAG HIM








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If you get rid of Dupree then you have a huge hole on the defense. It was just a few years ago the steelers were desperate for OLBs and now some are comfortable just pissing away a proven guy because why? Because he may make more than the arbitrary number some think he's worth?

Like Clint said in Unforgiven - "Deserve's got nothing to do with it"

Nobody gets paid based on what is deserved. They get paid based on how easily an employer can get somebody else to do the same job. In football and anywhere else.

Pass rushers are hard to find and they are more needed than ever since the NFL has handcuffed coverage so much by outlawing hard hits to jar the ball loose and by calling so many more pass interference than they used to.

People are obsessed with cap space too. If a team has a bunch of cap space, then they're doing it wrong. It means you have a pile of cash instead of a player or instead of proactively re-signing one of your vets. In other words, you are not getting all you can from your money.

Every year I hear the cries that the Steelers are tight against the cap as of that's a bad thing. Name me the key player that the cap has stopped the steelers from keeping. They will likely let Hargrave leave but that's a matter of value, not cap space. Fact is, Hargrave is a 2 down player in the steelers scheme. When they go nickel and dime, they sit the NT. Letting Hargrave leave is a football value decision. They could move thing around and keep him if they felt he was necessary.

Fans tend to just look at 1 year when they look at cap numbers. The teams are looking years down the road and have this **** planned out. Watt will get a big contract in a year or so. The team may be totally different by then. Ben and Pouncey may both be gone.
 
Bud will regress this year, he had a lot of sacks at the LOS on coverage sacks etc where the QB was scrambling. He does not get constant pressure as evidenced by PFF and our defense was incredibly healthy last year which rarely happens 2 years in a row. Would much rather sign a guy like Juden to a 3 year deal at a much lower coast and it would also serve to hurt our most bitter rival.
 
Coach said:
So you think on he’s worth 16 million or more a year?

How did the tag go with Worilds?

I bet Dupree on another team has half the amount of splash plays or very close to it on an average defense.

The Steelers are up against the cap and need to prepare for life without Ben. We need all the cap space and draft picks we can get. Not to overpay for the 4th to 6th best player on defense.


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Worlids was a Transition Tag, not a Franchise Tag. He played his Transition Tag year and did well. Would have been the top pass rusher as a FA and he retired (so the Steelers didn't get a compensatory draft pick for him).

Never once did Wolids get double digit sacks. His sack totals were 2, 3, 5, 8, 7.5

Also, Bud will be productive wherever he goes. He got significantly better last year with his hands, and that's why he got pressures. You don't lose that.

I'm just honest. If the Steelers can't get him to play this year (which I firmly believe they need him if they want to reach a SB), I want draft value from him, and not a prolonged holdout.

For a tag and trade, the Steelers have to have him sign the contract first, then they can trade him for any value they deem fit. That's different than someone making an offer for Bud long term, while he is non-exclusive franchise tagged. That merits the 2 first round draft picks. Either way, if Bud leaves, so does his contract value, in full.
 
$12 million per on a say a 4 year deal is good for Bud. No way I can see paying him $15+ million per year. Dude hasn't earned that kind of coin. $12 million over 4 or 5 years with $12 million guaranteed and a $3 million signing bonus making his total guaranteed at $15 million. It's about the same as the tag.
 
Gridiron said:
Bud will regress this year, he had a lot of sacks at the LOS on coverage sacks etc where the QB was scrambling. He does not get constant pressure as evidenced by PFF and our defense was incredibly healthy last year which rarely happens 2 years in a row. Would much rather sign a guy like Juden to a 3 year deal at a much lower coast and it would also serve to hurt our most bitter rival.
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CHIUCKEN LITTLE much???





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Well PFF knows all so we can go ahead and scratch Dupree off for having a ****** upcoming season, cut him now.
 
slashsteel said:
Well PFF knows all so we can go ahead and scratch Dupree off for having a ****** upcoming season, cut him now.
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PFF charts every single play and they have him rated mediocre to poor at pressuring the QB but I guess that is just an anti Steeler bias eh ? He is a good not great player and spending 16 million is a waste of money for a guy who has never been consistent or a difference maker.
 
Gridiron said:
PFF charts every single play and they have him rated mediocre to poor at pressuring the QB but I guess that is just an anti Steeler bias eh ? He is a good not great player and spending 16 million is a waste of money for a guy who has never been consistent or a difference maker.
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Does PFF chart the HOLDING penalties against the player holding Dupree? In 2018 I think there were 4 and he also had a safety with is equivalent to 2 sacks due to scoring so a holding is as good as a sack so add that up 5.5 on the year pulse the 4 holding plus the two for safety is a GRAND total of 11.5, so pending on how you look at it...... If you just go by sacks which a lot seem to do while others go by actual play....................

Thge POINT being........ BUD plays bigger than the stats. Is it big enough for the tag..... We will see but I think if we don't then we have a BIG hole to fill and some journeyman 1/2 price will NOT cut it.

Regardless of you or I, it's the STEELERS decision but usually the do contend my input.






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Wow its the Steelers decision, what ground breaking news. Bud is a better than average player but thats it. Around the league you can point to every single player getting flags, etc.That dos not change the stats or who they are. He is a guy that doesnt make a team great and of curse was on the field in crunch time when this defense again cant hold late game leads, he disappears in the clutch his entire tuenure her and paying him 6 million is a huge mistake.
 
Gridiron said:
PFF charts every single play and they have him rated mediocre to poor at pressuring the QB but I guess that is just an anti Steeler bias eh ? He is a good not great player and spending 16 million is a waste of money for a guy who has never been consistent or a difference maker.
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Woopety ******* do I have watched every game since 73/74.

A lot of times I record it and rewatch it. Not hard to figure out the man has improved yearly.

If you think a OLBers whole ******* job is to get QBs pressures I have some bad news for you. It isn't.

As far as PFF goes they aren't anyone special. I wouldn't put stock in their stats either.

And I damn sure wouldn't use them to prove a narrow minded point.
 
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