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Steelers select Dri Archer in Round 3

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SteelerAl said:
I just have a hard time thinking he will average 6/3. He will probably hit those marks in a couple games, but I imagine there will be games where he doesn't get any touches from scrimmage also. Again, last year's 3rd rounder (a guy I'm actually quite high on) caught 6 balls all season. We already have an accomplished slot WR in Lance Moore and a RB in Bell that plays all 3 downs and is featured in the passing game...
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Maybe but maybe not. All depends on health and how well he does and how soon. 5 ypc and 10 per catch might be low to so who knows.
 
Who compared them im saying they are different. Both are extremely fast but only archer is fast and shifty
 
Vader said:
Again, you are comparing a guy who played in the Mid America Conference to someone who played at Miami. He averaged less than 3 yards difference in KR going against much less competition. He doesn't do PR. Hester is an all around talent. He played defense for **** sake. He is over 3 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier. When you draft him you get a guy that can be a PR, KR and starting WR. His ceiling is so much higher. With Archer you get a guy that can ONLY be a KR and maybe a PR. He is never going to start at WR, RB or any other position. So his ceiling is basically Hester's floor.
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FYI, based on combine figures, Hester weighed 17 pounds more (190 vs. 173) and was not quite 3 inches taller (5105 vs. 5076)
 
SteelerAl said:
Just stop with this, man! The rules of this thread clearly state that Archer can only be compared with Rainey and other players who were complete and total failures in the NFL. You can not compare him to McCluster, Sproles, Cribbs or Hester!
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He gets compared to guys like Rainey due to their incredibly rare size/speed/durability sinilarities. Comparing him to Cribbs or Hester or Sproles is like comparing him to Casey Hampton.
 
Idioteque said:
He has no chance at 9 touches a game. With all due respect, you're overvaluing what these scatbacks do. A realistic projection, even if he were a better prospect, would be closer to 3-4 rushes and 2-3 catches as a best-case scenario. You want him to put up high-end #2 RB carries AND high-end slot WR catches AND return every kickoff? Good luck. Dude was frequently injured in school, and was only a part-time player there, so I admire your optimism. Not to mention his extreme fumbilitis, but I'm sure he'll stay on the field for 16 games with a backbreaking workload.

Darren Sproles has had two 1,000-yard seasons in his career, BTW. He never comes anywhere close to 5 YPC or 10 YPC. Very, very few RBs ever do. Not sure why you think he's already the best and most productive scatback and KR on the planet.
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Darren Sproles for his career averages 5.1 ypc and 9 per catch.
 
How does an ankle injury his senior year = constantly injured??
 
SteelerAl said:
FYI, based on combine figures, Hester weighed 17 pounds more (190 vs. 173) and was not quite 3 inches taller (5105 vs. 5076)
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So he is almost 20 pounds heavier and almost 3 inches taller.
 
Hester

Height: 5-11 Weight: 190 Age: 31
Born: 11/4/1982 Riviera Beach , FL
College: Miami (Fla.)
Experience: 9th season
High School: Suncoast HS [Riviera Beach, FL]

Archer

5' 8"
173

From what Tomlin said, his build is fine, he's short, but not thin, I'd say given the comparison to Hester, that's about right, 3 inches meaning about 15-18 lbs, I'm betting build wise those guys are pretty even, except for archer being a smurf.

We'll see how he does when the pads go on.

Joe
 
Hell I'm 5 9" and a GOOD bit heaver than both of those guys. I run like a ******* turtle, but ****, if speed isn't all that important, I'm already wearing a Bettis jersey today, maybe I'll head down to the facility and try out for a walk on! :)

With Tomlin being so ******* dumb and all, he might just sign me on the spot!
 
antdrewjosh said:
How does an ankle injury his senior year = constantly injured??
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Also missed his bowl game with a knee injury.

He was a part-time player and still had three injuries his last two years. But everyone knows the NFL is lighter and less physically challenging than the MAC.
 
Vader said:
Rainey is a fair comparison because they are almost the same size and are similar prospects. You can't compare Archer to guys who are bigger and taller and that actually START or STARTED in the NFL. Archer isn't going to be that player even according to Tomlin. Seriously how is Archer similar to Parker? Really? But those comparison are ok? **** me.
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McCluster is 1 inch taller than Archer and McCluster has smaller hands and shorter arms (same weight). That is as legit as any comparison with Rainey. Unfortunately the back and forth of this thread is ridiculous...on one side there are boosters bringing up comparisons like Willie Parker that don't make much sense and the only side denies ALL comparisons except to Rainey because Archer can never be anything except an exact clone of Rainey.
 
Seriously. He had an ankle injury and missed a bowl game and that equals constantly injured. Do you believe the bullshit you type???
 
FordFairLane said:
Darren Sproles for his career averages 5.1 ypc and 9 per catch.
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Ah. I looked at the wrong column for YPC. My mistake.

Still.. do you really feel we need to expect the best of the best production? He's going to best Darren effing Sproles?
 
Idioteque said:
Also missed his bowl game with a knee injury.

He was a part-time player and still had three injuries his last two years. But everyone knows the NFL is lighter and less physically challenging than the MAC.
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At least he had a reason to miss. Clowney went from 13 to 3 sacks being healthy and still goes #1 and no one bats an eye.
 
Idioteque said:
Ah. I looked at the wrong column for YPC. My mistake.

Still.. do you really feel we need to expect the best of the best production? He's going to best Darren effing Sproles?
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Why not? Should I be like you and hope that he fails? Hell, my hope is he's the next Brian Westbrook or Marvin Harrison but I'll take Sproles every day of the week and twice on Sunday!
 
antdrewjosh said:
Seriously. He had an ankle injury and missed a bowl game and that equals constantly injured. Do you believe the bullshit you type???
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Read my posts. He was a part-time and still got injured at a dizzying rate. Every account of his college play states that he was nagged by ankle and shoulder injuries throughout 2013. But the Ravens will probably take it easy on the guy. Not to mention, since 40 time = NFL production, he's probably on going to score on every touch. All you do in football is run straight ahead. I keep forgetting!

Madden is probably more on your level. More DVDs, maybe..?
 
t-man said:
Hester

Height: 5-11 Weight: 190 Age: 31
Born: 11/4/1982 Riviera Beach , FL
College: Miami (Fla.)
Experience: 9th season
High School: Suncoast HS [Riviera Beach, FL]

Archer

5' 8"
173

From what Tomlin said, his build is fine, he's short, but not thin, I'd say given the comparison to Hester, that's about right, 3 inches meaning about 15-18 lbs, I'm betting build wise those guys are pretty even, except for archer being a smurf.

We'll see how he does when the pads go on.

Joe
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I don't understand this. Take the same metric and apply it down. Would you draft a guy that is 5'5 150 lbs? Hell that's only 3 inches and 23 pounds less than Archer so they are almost identical. Why not 5'2 125 lbs? There comes a point when small guys don't work out in the NFL. History appears to say that is around 5'8 170 lbs.
 
SteelerAl said:
McCluster is 1 inch taller than Archer and McCluster has smaller hands and shorter arms (same weight). That is as legit as any comparison with Rainey. Unfortunately the back and forth of this thread is ridiculous...on one side there are boosters bringing up comparisons like Willie Parker that don't make much sense and the only side denies ALL comparisons except to Rainey because Archer can never be anything except an exact clone of Rainey.
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McCluster is a valid comparison. In fact, he may be one of the only under 180 pound RB/WR/specialists that compare well. He is also one of the only players that size to get a second contract in the NFL and aside from one fair season, he really has not done much. If that is the high water mark for a 3rd round pick, so be it.

And, are we really so hot to get a specialist that we are pimping Devon Hester? Sure, he returns kicks. The Steelers dumped guys like Stefan Logan because ALL he could do is return kicks. If that is his only value, pretty much could have drafted a punter in the 3rd....but that would have likely pissed people off.
 
Im bringing up Parker because both have elite speed. Of course willie is bigger and could take hits better. Could run between the tackles.. thank god he could because he was not shifty at all. Archer is fast and shifty so he doesnt need to be as big as Parker because he can make you miss to go along with his elite speed.
 
Idioteque said:
You're roughly the 28th person to post this.
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I wasn't about to go scrolling through all 30 some pages to see if anyone already had this thought as well, just stating what I was thinking that moment.
 
Idiot he had 325 carries and numerous touches his junior year. He hurt his ankle in the first game his senior year. Was listed as probable with a shoulder for a game. Maybe you should be a author cause you love exaggerating and making up ****.
 
FordFairLane said:
Why not? Should I be like you and hope that he fails? Hell, my hope is he's the next Brian Westbrook or Marvin Harrison but I'll take Sproles every day of the week and twice on Sunday!
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Yep. More "not a real fan" bullshit. From the guy who got banned from a Steeler board for whining about Jarvis Jones and Tomlin. Why do you hope they fail?

I'm a Kansas State fan who has followed Sproles' career with interest. He's a thickly built guy, probably close to 190 who was a workhorse in college. He rarely misses a game. He's been counted on to carry the load in the NFL from time to time. Archer is no Darren Sproles, bud. If you're expecting Sproles or Brian effing Westbrook, then I don't know what to say. I think McCluster is his upside, and even he's not worth a third, especially in the midst of rebuilding a ****** roster.
 
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