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Steelers select Bud Dupree in the 1st round

I like the potential Dupree has and he's a tremendous athlete but his negatives are HUGE....Poor technique and small arms 32". Ideally you want a guy with 34-35" arm length, also not impressed with his 3 cone shuttle time either.

I don't buy into the fact that he's a raw talent....starting 38 college games in 4 years and your technique is to quote the experts "RAW" playing in the SEC I just don't buy it. If you were a 1 or two year guy then your RAW but if after 38 games your skillset is considered RAW then I feel like you might never develop into an impact LB'er in the NFL.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm not really in love with this pick....I know people hate Gregory and the personality/character issues/depression/weed issues but I'm telling ya that kid has all the tools necessary to be a special player in the NFL you watch. Whoever gets him in this draft will not regret it.

Even with our lack of OLB's Dupree is not a week 1 starter...heck in our defense he will be lucky to sniff the field 20 plays a game this season so this pick is IMO a project pick....and that's if Dupree can learn some techniques. To start almost 4 full years in college and not learn any technique other than a bull rush seems pretty pathetic. I mean don't these coaches at Div 1 schools teach these kids any technique? Technique is not something you can teach a player at this juncture of their careers. I hope I'm wrong but you either have the ability or you don't. Because when he gets beat he will not stick with learning that new technique he will resort to his poor techniques out of frustration because that's what happens to most players who lack the technical skillset to play at the next level.

Your first rounder should be a week 1 starter! Dupree I don't feel is a week 1 starter.
 
I don't see how anyone can say that any player has more Upside than this guy. Upside means high ceiling. I'm hearing this guy is some raw technique away from being a devestating nearly unstoppable pass rusher. How can someone have more Upside than that. I'd say there are some guys that have more polished skills or are more starter ready. But upside. Doesn't make sense.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Two words ... Joey Porter. The kid is raw. If he's a hard worker and smart (which one of his draft profiles alluded to him earning some type of academic award), Porter can coach him up. Maybe work him into the rotation this year and turn him loose next year.
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SteelBuckeye said:
Two words ... Joey Porter. The kid is raw. If he's a hard worker and smart (which one of his draft profiles alluded to him earning some type of academic award), Porter can coach him up. Maybe work him into the rotation this year and turn him loose next year.
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Great video tape, one thing that stands out he is faster than Amari Cooper a wide out! has played in coverage and done well, and needs to learn some technique to get to the next level. That is great teach him how to play not how to get stronger or faster he already has those things. Sounds like a real find for the black and gold. Toss in high character and smart with good work ethic the kid will be good and will likely be an up grade over jarvis. Compares well to Javon Kerse instead of Jabroni JONES

I think this kid might bump Jones from the line up and Moats and Harrison take over the other side rotating to stay fresh Jones is on the way out. If we get a second good one like Owa or Clark jones could find himself on the trade block or cut in a real quick hurry.
 
Chicoman said:
I like the potential Dupree has and he's a tremendous athlete but his negatives are HUGE....Poor technique and small arms 32". Ideally you want a guy with 34-35" arm length, also not impressed with his 3 cone shuttle time either.

I don't buy into the fact that he's a raw talent....starting 38 college games in 4 years and your technique is to quote the experts "RAW" playing in the SEC I just don't buy it. If you were a 1 or two year guy then your RAW but if after 38 games your skillset is considered RAW then I feel like you might never develop into an impact LB'er in the NFL.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm not really in love with this pick....I know people hate Gregory and the personality/character issues/depression/weed issues but I'm telling ya that kid has all the tools necessary to be a special player in the NFL you watch. Whoever gets him in this draft will not regret it.

Even with our lack of OLB's Dupree is not a week 1 starter...heck in our defense he will be lucky to sniff the field 20 plays a game this season so this pick is IMO a project pick....and that's if Dupree can learn some techniques. To start almost 4 full years in college and not learn any technique other than a bull rush seems pretty pathetic. I mean don't these coaches at Div 1 schools teach these kids any technique? Technique is not something you can teach a player at this juncture of their careers. I hope I'm wrong but you either have the ability or you don't. Because when he gets beat he will not stick with learning that new technique he will resort to his poor techniques out of frustration because that's what happens to most players who lack the technical skillset to play at the next level.

Your first rounder should be a week 1 starter! Dupree I don't feel is a week 1 starter.
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Couldn't agree more. I wish we could have traded back and got Malcolm Brown but we needed something for pass rush and Bud was there. Hopefully he proves us wrong.
 
Chicoman said:
I like the potential Dupree has and he's a tremendous athlete but his negatives are HUGE....Poor technique and small arms 32". Ideally you want a guy with 34-35" arm length, also not impressed with his 3 cone shuttle time either.

I don't buy into the fact that he's a raw talent....starting 38 college games in 4 years and your technique is to quote the experts "RAW" playing in the SEC I just don't buy it. If you were a 1 or two year guy then your RAW but if after 38 games your skillset is considered RAW then I feel like you might never develop into an impact LB'er in the NFL.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm not really in love with this pick....I know people hate Gregory and the personality/character issues/depression/weed issues but I'm telling ya that kid has all the tools necessary to be a special player in the NFL you watch. Whoever gets him in this draft will not regret it.

Even with our lack of OLB's Dupree is not a week 1 starter...heck in our defense he will be lucky to sniff the field 20 plays a game this season so this pick is IMO a project pick....and that's if Dupree can learn some techniques. To start almost 4 full years in college and not learn any technique other than a bull rush seems pretty pathetic. I mean don't these coaches at Div 1 schools teach these kids any technique? Technique is not something you can teach a player at this juncture of their careers. I hope I'm wrong but you either have the ability or you don't. Because when he gets beat he will not stick with learning that new technique he will resort to his poor techniques out of frustration because that's what happens to most players who lack the technical skillset to play at the next level.

Your first rounder should be a week 1 starter! Dupree I don't feel is a week 1 starter.
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Many players learned new technique to play for the steelers, Porter, Hampton, Aaron Smith, Haggins, Harrison, etc. This kid might just be close to 40 lbs over Gregory and likely was not shown a bunch of technique because they had other places to spend time on that needed it more, he was doing fine with out it. I would suggest it is easier to teach technique than size, strength, and speed.
 
Chicoman said:
I hope I'm wrong but I'm not really in love with this pick....I know people hate Gregory and the personality/character issues/depression/weed issues but I'm telling ya that kid has all the tools necessary to be a special player in the NFL you watch. Whoever gets him in this draft will not regret it.
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Dion Jordan also has the tools necessary to be a special player in the NFL. I like Gregory as a player but you can't ignore the issues. Dupree also has a high ceiling and doesn't come with the extra baggage. Gregory could very well fall to our 2nd round pick. He might be worth the risk then.
 
There is an adage in construction. You can have only two of good cheap and fast take your pick. Outside of the first 4 picks in the draft you are not getting athleticism, polish and character. You just won't. I ll take my chances with a kid with athleticism and character. Jarvis Jones had polish but lacked the athleticism. Ray and Gregory had athleticism and polish but have character red flags.
 
truthfully, I never even looked at this guy because I thought he'd go way before we drafted

A nice surprise
 
My only hesitation with the pick is that Gregory may turn out to be a stud. I'm just frustrated with the lack of pass rush. We need guys who can actually defeat blocks and not just get sacks when the scheme gives them a free run.

I think a bunch of teams made a mistake in passing on Dupree. Mainly Atlanta. They took Beasley and they run a 4-3. Dupree would have been a better fit.
 
Now let's grab 2 corners, a tight end, a running back (Langford), a safety, and another pass rusher
 
gregory might be more ready but who knows if he will have a long nfl career or even his whole rookie contract due to his problems
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
My only hesitation with the pick is that Gregory may turn out to be a stud.
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He may also turn out to be Dion Jordan Part 2.

Aside from Gregory's off the field issues I think Dupree fits what the front office was after better purely because they still believe in Jarvis Jones. As lean as Gregory is he'd be ROLB in our scheme and drafting the bigger backer in Dupree gives us more flexibility.

Having said that depending on who is available if Gregory falls to 56 he could still be in play as our selection.
 
SteelerSask said:
I don't see how anyone can say that any player has more Upside than this guy. Upside means high ceiling. I'm hearing this guy is some raw technique away from being a devestating nearly unstoppable pass rusher. How can someone have more Upside than that. I'd say there are some guys that have more polished skills or are more starter ready. But upside. Doesn't make sense.
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Most elite pass rusher have great length. That's why Gregory has so much upside. Long arms are a huge advantage to a pass rusher. As the clip i posted explained, Dupree has short arms for a pass rusher. This means he must learn how to play with that disadvantage, like Harrison did.

If Harrison can teach Dupree to his speed skater move where he's almost at a 45 degree angle as he rips by, then Dupree can be special. If he does like Jarvis and just tries to run upfield each play, then he won't.
 
I'm hearing so much contradictory **** about this guy. Some say he is a 43 pass rusher but they have a big positive being he is very good in coverage. When does a 43 DE play pass coverage. Pass coverage and ability to play from a two point should be the biggest factor keeping him off the field. At this point all I can say for certain is that he needs a new Haircut cause he looks like he should be in star wars and a bigger helmet as he is poking out of his current one.
 
nooneuno said:
He may also turn out to be Dion Jordan Part 2.

Aside from Gregory's off the field issues I think Dupree fits what the front office was after better purely because they still believe in Jarvis Jones. As lean as Gregory is he'd be ROLB in our scheme and drafting the bigger backer in Dupree gives us more flexibility.

Having said that depending on who is available if Gregory falls to 56 he could still be in play as our selection.
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Gregory could be a bust, but i'm tired of the steelers hitting singles and doubles in the draft. They need a few home runs.
 
nooneuno said:
He may also turn out to be Dion Jordan Part 2.

Aside from the Gregory's off the field issues I think Dupree fits what the front office was after better purely because they still believe in Jarvis Jones. As lean as Gregory is he'd be ROLB in our scheme and drafting the bigger backer in Dupree gives us more flexibility.

Having said that depending on who is available if Gregory falls to 56 he could still be in play as our selection.
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The front office and only the front office thinks this because they don't want to admit it was a mistake! Sorry Jarvis Jones is a B-U-S-T! Without question the worst first round draft pick in the 21st Century! When his career is all said and done he might rank right there with Huey Richardson & Jamain Stephens
 
SteelerSask said:
I'm hearing so much contradictory **** about this guy. Some say he is a 43 pass rusher but they have a big positive being he is very good in coverage. When does a 43 DE play pass coverage. Pass coverage and ability to play from a two point should be the biggest factor keeping him off the field. At this point all I can say for certain is that he needs a new Haircut cause he looks like he should be in star wars and a bigger helmet as he is poking out of his current one.
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Kentucky played 4-3 and 3-4. Dupree played a lot of OLB and dropped in coverage a lot. He should be able to get on the field pretty quickly, especially since the steelers have said they plan to simplify the defense so that young guys can get on the field quicker..
 
SteelerSask said:
I'm hearing so much contradictory **** about this guy.
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Alvin Dupree - DL - Wildcats

Kentucky LB Bud Dupree is shooting up draft boards, reports NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock.

"The tape is inconsistent, but as coaches get involved, they want to work with this piece of clay," Mayock said. "He's got everything you want in a Pro Bowl edge rusher except consistency." Dupree could go as high as No. 8 to Atlanta"

Kentucky edge rusher Bud Dupree "is one of the top 10 players in this draft," says ESPN NFL Insider Jon Gruden.

NFL Media analyst Daniel Jeremiah notes that Kentucky edge rusher Bud Dupree "wasn't a consistent player during his college career," and believes he's being overvalued.

"I love Dupree's potential, but he wasn't a consistent player during his college career. He is going to get selected very high in this draft -- in fact, I'll be shocked if he doesn't go in the top 10"

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/132858/alvin-dupree
 
Chicoman said:
The front office and only the front office thinks this because they don't want to admit it was a mistake! Sorry Jarvis Jones is a B-U-S-T! Without question the worst first round draft pick in the 21st Century! When his career is all said and done he might rank right there with Huey Richardson & Jamain Stephens
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Someone posted an article that strongly hinted that Gregory's fall was not only related to the drug issues. It hinted that NFL clubs had reason to believe that Gregory had some delicate mental issues that he is dealing with. If this is true, his slide reflects the fact that no one wants to spend a high draft pick on a player whose mental condition might need constant monitoring. That's not a high ceiling type of proposition.
 
I checked the mocks. No one had this guy going out of the top 15 and most in the top 10. Some as high as 6. We got him at 22. That says something to me. If we don't take that guy I think a lot of people would be ***** ing it that way.
 
Before anyone else cries about the undraftable Gregory, no one in the league felt he was worth a first round pick. He may be good, but by seeing Dion Jordan sit a year, it has to make all GMs rethink what's between Gregory's ears.
 
Hanratty said:
But but but the idiot Crimsonsteel said we need pass rushers and we could play the 228 pound Gregory or the small Ray at LOLB, LMFAO his next smart footbAll post will be his first.
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Dude, wth? You got the wrong guy. I've never posted anything like that. I admittedly don't know jack about Gregory other than what I've read here. You have me confused with someone else.
 
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Interesting thing about college,it prepares you for your job, however once on the job you go through training even though you have been through college. The kid is 6 feet 4 inches tall and you generally can not teach him to get taller. He is fast and plays fast although some speed coaching can be effective it is very minor. Skill however is one thing that can be taught and learned. This kid has good strength and will likely get stronger. Joey porter will likely be teaching him some pass rush moves. The kid has already dropped into coverage and is quick and fast and looks like he will not be a mismatch for tight ends if he needs to cover one.

This kid has lots to like such as the fact he will not be looking at a drug suspension, does not seem to have issues with folks in general and is intelligent and a good athlete. The more one looks at this kid the more there is to like.
 
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