Steelers pick Edmunds in round one

[SteelerSask2]

I got his ****** tackling info from his draft profile on nfl.com. Where'd you just read yours?

I knew I'd seen this, but I got to admit after I started looking I thought maybe it was about his brother but:

The Steelers select Terrell Edmunds, who missed only 5 tackles across 585 snaps in 2017 #NFLDraft

So if someone can explain to me how someone who made over 70 tackles and missed only 5 over 585 snaps is labelled a bad tackler, I'd really be interested to hear that. There is so much narrative creation in this business

 

[ark steel]

Clearly, the issue was that Tombert is so stupid and out of tune with what is going on around him, he had no idea that Tremaine Edmunds was already off the board and simply wrote T. Edmunds on the card.

 

[ark steel]

I knew I'd seen this, but I got to admit after I started looking I thought maybe it was about his brother but:

So if someone can explain to me how someone who made over 70 tackles and missed only 5 over 585 snaps is labelled a bad tackler, I'd really be interested to hear that. There is so much narrative creation in this business

Theoretically, the people saying he is a bad tackler may be looking at him taking bad angles such that he doesn't even get in a position to make a tackle? While 5 missed tackles (comes from PFF, i think....) may be some dudes opinon on what a missed tackle is

 

[slashsteel]

I knew I'd seen this, but I got to admit after I started looking I thought maybe it was about his brother but:

So if someone can explain to me how someone who made over 70 tackles and missed only 5 over 585 snaps is labelled a bad tackler, I'd really be interested to hear that. There is so much narrative creation in this business

Very subjective stat.

I remember when I compared my film study to TMC and saw we didn't always see the same thing. These mock draftnicks might not even watch tape or very little. Or see something different than joe blow.

Some might be simply copying off each other.

Lot of room for error in what we read. Which is why I try to zoom in on some footage to at least get a idea from my own set of eyes.

 

[Spike]

Draft grades are up! Time to take your medicine


GRADE: C-

28. PITTSBURGH STEELERS—S TERRELL EDMUNDS

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/26/nfl-draft-2018-first-round-grades-analysis

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28. Pittsburgh Steelers: Terrell Edmunds, S, Virginia Tech

Grade/Analysis: D. This makes Penny's selection look like a steal. Terrell Edmunds is more of Day 3 pick. His brother Tremaine is fantastic, but Terrell has plenty of issues. He can pack a bunch on tackles, but he fails to find the football when he's running with his back to the ball and can be fooled on route fakes. It's hard to see why the Pittsburgh Steelers took him here when they could have taken him much later. More of a project than a finished product.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ll-results-analysis-and-reaction-from-round-1

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Pittsburgh Steelers: Terrell Edmunds, LB/S, Virginia Tech Kielbasa-Mode Grade

This is a mega reach. Teams expected Edmunds to be available in the second, maybe even third round. He's not his brother; he's not nearly the athlete, nor the player. Yet, the Steelers are taking him because they have an immense need at linebacker - I imagine he'll make the move there, much like Deone Bucannon - and all of the first-round prospects at the position were taken already. Selecting Edmunds over someone like Harold Landry seems insane to me

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgrades1.php

 

[thesteelcity]

Until he plays a down, no one knows if he going to pan out. We have had plenty of busts at #1 and gems. Flip a coin because that's the odds of him being a dud or stud. I put as much faith in their grades as I do their mocks. All speculation and hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Tibs]

Draft grades are up!

NFL.com
Pittsburgh Steelers Draft picks: Virginia Tech S Terrell Edmunds (No. 28 overall).
Day 1 grade: B
The skinny: The Steelers went safety, as expected, but picked Edmunds, the brother of fellow first-round pick Tremaine, instead of Stanford’s Justin Reid and others. This was a surprise pick to most, and probably a round early -- but given his strength and NFL bloodlines (father, Ferrell, played tight end in the league), but maybe it shouldn’t have been. He’ll be a welcomed addition to the team, either way.


CBS Sports
28. Terrell Edmunds, S, Virginia Tech
Grade: B
He was a guy who was really rising late in the process. The Steelers get a nice playmaking safety.


Sports Illustrated
28. PITTSBURGH STEELERS—S TERRELL EDMUNDS
Pittsburgh’s biggest need was inside linebacker, but four were already off the board when the Steelers’ pick arose. Instead they went safety, a position more teams are employing instead of linebacker. Expect this defense to be a dime, not nickel, unit in passing situations, which means Edmunds, Sean Davis and free agent pickup Morgan Burnett all on the field with just one linebacker. The Steelers did this a few years ago when their depth at linebacker was lacking. As far as what Edmunds means long-term, that remains to be seen. Burnett is not yet 30 and is on a financially friendly three-year deal. Davis, whose rookie deal expires after 2019, has not developed as much as hoped, but the coaching staff believes he can become a big-time centerfielder. He’ll likely be playing that spot now that Mike Mitchell is gone.
Grade: B+

 

[Spike]

Ratfucked



Ravens made sure the Steelers wouldn't get Rashaan Evans

It wasn't a coincidence that the Ravens allowed the Titans moved up to take Rashaan Evans. It was gamesmanship.

While the Steelers were unable to find a trade partner to get Evans, the Ravens traded first round picks with the Titans, who were able to take Evans with the 22nd overall pick in the draft. In the deal, the Ravens also picked up a fourth-round pick and sent a sixth-round pick back to Tennessee.

Instead of getting their coveted inside linebacker, the Steelers used the 28th overall pick to select Virginia Tech safety Terrell Edmunds, who also saw time at linebacker during his time with the Hokies. While they apparently wanted to get Evans, the Steelers seem happy with their selection of Edmunds, who will help bolster Pittsburgh's secondary after the unit released Mike Mitchell and Robert Golden earlier this offseason.

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburg...-Steelers-wouldnt-get-Rashaan-Evans-117757307

 

[AggieSteel]

I like Evans but I'm not sure I'm too upset about the rats "gaming" us out of that pick. I actually think Edmunds is a great pick the more I think about it. Teams are having success (think Bucannon and Jones in Atlanta) with leaner, more athletic $backer types roaming in the middle and making plays. And Edmunds is, what, 10 lbs lighter than Shazier? If he can grasp his responsibilities in the middle of the field fairly quickly, I think he'll be more valuable to us than a plodding, downhill, run stuff/blitzing type player

 

[bermudasteel]

FeDerius Terrell Edmunds is an elite athlete and hey ladies, his hands are 10 1/2 inches which is freakishly large for a guy 6 ft tall.

Here's his elite measurables. Look at thos %tiles compared to other safeties in this draft. He has long arms, huge hands, fast, and explosive

<iframe src="https://www.mockdraftable.com/embed/terrell-edmunds?position=S&page=MEASURABLES" scrolling="no" width="480" height="651" frameborder="0"></iframe>

here is one of coaches favorite places to go Walterfootball's eval

they had him rated before Reid

Good Stuff!!!

Are the Steelers paying you to read and respond to his posts on this site?

Actually, I'm paying to read his drivel...

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[mightyguru]

I remember Terrell's dad, Ferrell. Dude was 6'6" and ran like a gazelle.

I like this kids athleticism and character for sure. My buddy is a Va Tech alum and general Hokie nut. He says the kid is great.

 

[Tibs]

New cut up of all his college INT's.

 

[CoolieMan]

draft grades don't mean ****.....nothing matters until these guys are in pads and playing on Sundays

 

[ark steel]

Draft grades are up! Time to take your medicine


GRADE: C-

28. PITTSBURGH STEELERS—S TERRELL EDMUNDS

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/04/26/nfl-draft-2018-first-round-grades-analysis

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28. Pittsburgh Steelers: Terrell Edmunds, S, Virginia Tech

Grade/Analysis: D. This makes Penny's selection look like a steal. Terrell Edmunds is more of Day 3 pick. His brother Tremaine is fantastic, but Terrell has plenty of issues. He can pack a bunch on tackles, but he fails to find the football when he's running with his back to the ball and can be fooled on route fakes. It's hard to see why the Pittsburgh Steelers took him here when they could have taken him much later. More of a project than a finished product.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ll-results-analysis-and-reaction-from-round-1

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Pittsburgh Steelers: Terrell Edmunds, LB/S, Virginia Tech Kielbasa-Mode Grade

This is a mega reach. Teams expected Edmunds to be available in the second, maybe even third round. He's not his brother; he's not nearly the athlete, nor the player. Yet, the Steelers are taking him because they have an immense need at linebacker - I imagine he'll make the move there, much like Deone Bucannon - and all of the first-round prospects at the position were taken already. Selecting Edmunds over someone like Harold Landry seems insane to me

http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftgrades1.php

Walterfootball gave us an A Grade for Jarvis......

 

[topseed]

I obviously did not do my normal scouting on defensive players this year (just felt like a chore more than enjoyable so I quit mid way through the process). But here is some film on him:



Here are some of my thoughts, positive and negative:

Positives:

1. Exceptional athlete that will not be "outclassed" physically by players in the NFL. Has a well of athletic ability to fall back on if he makes mental mistakes.
2. Young and still growing into final product. This has been a growing M.O. of the Tombert regime to select very young junior prospects. In fact, when they FAIL to do this is normally the bigger busts (Hood and Jones for example). Can be molded into what Tomlin wants.
3. Position versatile and might even move to linebacker in the long run. Allows "big nickle" to almost be run as our base defense if Tomlin/Butler choose.
4. Good open field tackler when playing downhill. Can make plays in the intermediate range of the pass game. Good length and hand size.
5. Pedigree and comes from family that knows what being professional athletes is all about. Will not be intimidated by the stage. Will not rest on laurels of just "being drafted and getting that first paycheck". Competition from brother, who is fellow first round pick, should be good motivation.

Negatives:

1. Not the sum of his athletic talents on film. Left some plays on the field in my opinion in that West Virginia tape. Slow to read/react plays down the sidelines when playing the deep half and despite speed gets there a step too late.
2. Might lack the size/physicality to be moved to linebacker.
3. Feels like a "forced" pick by the Steelers based on need/desire to replace Shazier's athleticism and role in the defense more than best football player available on the board. The decision to pick more of a strong/box safety over equally talented free safeties raises question marks to me about how Tombert envisions this defense next year and their faith Sean Davis can be a true center fielder (which I don't think he has done to date) or will that responsibility fall to mid-level free agent Burnett?
4. Consensus in "draftnik" community seems to be this is a reach pick and Edmunds film/talent was better suited as a round 2/3 picks than the #28 overall pick. Should the Steelers have traded back out of the first round and maybe still been able to get this player?

Overall, it's typical Steelers. Underclassman/young? Check. Slight reach? Check. Stay in their slot and don't trade/move around? Check. Need has strong influence over pick? Check.

Will be interested how rounds 2/3 work out tonight. You have to assume Edmunds, with this type of athleticism, will get his chance on the field with Tomlin (for good or bad). But rounds 2 and 3 are where the draft is often won/lost in the long term because finding production can really boost a roster.

Thanks for the video.

Now I'm more worried about his coverage skills than his tackling.

 

[Supersteeler]

This is what I mean about there being almost zero consensus on players this year. The ranking and ratings are all over the place. Like 2 full rounds apart in a lot of cases. One place says a guy's a 1st Rounder, the next place says the same guy's a late 2nd or 3rd Rounder. It's all throwing darts anyways.

 

[topseed]

To someone who is so “in tune” with all the draftniks thoughts you didn’t even realize Edmunds was in Mayock’s top 100 at 73.

He was obviously their #1 available DB with their pick.


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So the Steelers picked the guy "only" 45 spots earlier?

#73 is in the third round, last time I checked.

 

[topseed]

I knew I'd seen this, but I got to admit after I started looking I thought maybe it was about his brother but:

So if someone can explain to me how someone who made over 70 tackles and missed only 5 over 585 snaps is labelled a bad tackler, I'd really be interested to hear that. There is so much narrative creation in this business

Run support tackling actually looked decent to me in the West Virginia video, but the two touchdowns and another long completion he allowed don't really make me feel much better about the pick.

 

[Ike Kelly]

So the Steelers picked the guy "only" 45 spots earlier?

#73 is in the third round, last time I checked.

Mayock’s top 100 list is a players rank, not a draft round rank. That’s why he only does one mock, he believes each team grades a player through their own evaluation process. He also reiterated he’s not a draft expert, just a player evaluator.


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[topseed]

Mayock’s top 100 list is a players rank, not a draft round rank. That’s why he only does one mock, he believes each team grades a player through their own evaluation process. He also reiterated he’s not a draft expert, just a player evaluator.


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That's all well and good. Of course teams are going to have their own evaluation process based on their needs and a hundred other things.

However...

Considering Mayock's "players rank" versus actual draft position, the Steelers' choice of Edmunds was by far the widest margin of the first round: 45 slots. The next biggest discrepancies were Billy Price (24, #21 actual vs. #45 Mayock rank), and Baker Mayfield (22, #1 vs. #22). Even the much-maligned choice of Penny at #27 by the Seahawks was only a difference of 11.

Nobody, but nobody, even the kid himself, expected him to be a first round draft choice.

 

[Steelworth]

Where did Mayock have Antonio Brown ranked? Point is, who really cares where who had who ranked but the team who's going to actually be paying him? Let the kid take the field and in two years if he's not doing what they've drafted him to do, then *****.

 

[Steeltime]

Generally, I think teams get burned when they ignore a player's physical skills and focus solely on his college production - e.g., Jarvis Jones, Troy Edwards. Teams can also get burned doing the opposite - e.g., the Raiders and Heyward-Bey among others. Teams need to focus on both factors, and for Edmunds, there is no concern about his physical abilities. The dude is a physical freak. His SPARQ score of 138.9 would rank in the 97th percentile among NFL safeties - repeat, NFL safeties:

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/safety/

He also had decent college production and is a high-character guy from what I am reading. Was it a reach? Maybe based on taking him 28. If the Steelers had the 48th pick and selected him there, I wager we would be having much less angst over the pick.

But they did not have the 48th pick, the LB'ers were off the board, and Edmunds was rated more highly than a lot of the other similar talent on the board at that point. And hey, maybe his work ethic rubs off on that tackle.

 

[Spike]

We need playmakers on defense because we have NONE.

If the guy can bring a spark to the D from the safety position, all the more power to him

 

[CorpusDsteelers]

first-round pick Terrell Edmunds will end up replacing Shazier, he just doesn't know it yet. -- Jeremy Fowler you can all stop cry about a inside linebacker

 

[CorpusDsteelers]

I wonder if his head is too big, apparently having a perceived big head means you will never be productive in the NFL.

His hands are to big