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Pouncey Calls out Harrison

Oh tibs.....Go sip yur latte with the other haters
Now that's rich. The only hater here is you, constantly hating on Steelers players and coaches. Is there anything you actually like about this team, this organization? I doubt it. You've had your panties in a bunch non-stop all season. This Deebo/Pats hissy fit is just the latest incarnation of your Steelers hate. Do what you need to do, be who you need to be.
 
Sounds like you’re a Harrison homer, and are going to ignore all the obvious evidence that conflicts with your opinion. Common sense tells you that there had to be much more to this situation than the Steelers just deciding to put him on a shelf for the season, and then cutting him two games before the playoffs start. That doesn’t even make sense, but believe what you will.


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No, I'm someone who's fair and doesn't jump to conclusions without hearing all the facts. Sorry, I know that's unpopular around here.
 
How soon they forget...

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburg...-Harrisons-leadership-with-young-LBs-39216394

Coach Mike Tomlin recently praised Harrison for his leadership when working with the Steelers young outside linebackers, Jarvis Jones and Bud Dupree, along with second year inside linebacker Ryan Shazier. And while he's never been known to be a vocal leader, Tomlin says what Harrison does on a daily basis says more than enough.

“It’s more about what James does than what he says,” Tomlin said recently. “We continually try to remind him that there is a lot of weight in what he says. He can provide a lot of positive direction for young people with his words. James is not a big talker. He is more of a doer and I buy into that in a big way. When you watch him he provides a blueprint of how to go about day to day business on the field and off.”

Steelers linebackers coach Joey Porter, who played alongside Harrison for five seasons, also sees the impact Harrison is making on the young linebackers, and how Harrison's actions truly speak louder than words.

“He doesn’t really have to talk to the young guys if he doesn’t choose to, but that’s not him, he doesn’t take it that way. He’s actually helping them," Porter said recently. "He had those guys come with him to Arizona to train. I mean he extended the hand for them to get better, all they had to do was be receptive to taking it.”

It appears the Steelers young linebackers have done just that, evidenced by this recent photo of Harrison working out with several fellow linebackers. While they may be more than a dozen years younger, Harrison's work ethic has helped keep him ahead of the park and able to continue to compete with some of the greatest athletes in the world. It's that drive, leadership and work ethic that's led to Harrison's long-term success, and it's something he wants to use now as a way for his teammates to realize their full potential.

“It’s no question they gravitate to him,” Tomlin said. “Most of those guys grew up on him. Bud (Dupree) was probably sitting around in a onesie pajama set when he watched James run down that sideline in Tampa a number of years ago. They hold that type of regard for him. What he says and does, they try to mimic. That is just good, sharp ball for young people.”

The date on this is Sept 6.

He stopped doing any of that apparently. No coming up to players and telling them what he sees during games. Np tips during practice or games.
 
No, I'm someone who's fair and doesn't jump to conclusions without hearing all the facts. Sorry, I know that's unpopular around here.

Ah contraire. You have very much formed an opinion based on your own set of conclusions.


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my problem with Deebo was:
1) signing with the Patriots
2) signing with the Patriots for $59k

I do not have a problem with Deebo not mentoring the younger guys. I don't know how much of that is true and how much is bullshit. I do believe, though, that Deebo may have helped himself if he had mentored the younger guys. Why is it just NOW coming out that he was leaving games early? Wouldn't one of the numerous beat writers have said something the first or second time? or even the third? I'm not saying it's true that he left, nor that it's false. Just questioning the timing of it in much the same capacity of all the sexual assault reports coming out of the woodwork in elections.

I've said it before and will again, but Deebo should have been put in the middle of the field when Shazier was hurt. I can't see how Matakevich, Chickillo or Fort could contribute vastly more than he could...or any less. I'd have ranked Deebo our 5th best LB in the middle of the season and 4th after Shazier's injury. Maybe he was offered that role and refused, though. We, as fans, simply do not know what goes on in the locker room.

I'd suggest everyone try taking some of these reports with a grain of salt. There is some truth there, but there is also likely some embellishments.

Outside linbacker and inside linebacker are two different positions. Two different viewpoints and two different techniques.
 
Ah contraire. You have very much formed an opinion based on your own set of conclusions.


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And you haven't? Ha ha ha. My opinion is based on 15 years of watching and reading about James Harrison, not 5 minutes of comments made by Bud Dupree (who has honestly shown himself to be a bit of a jackass at times).

But yeah, I said I was done so I apologize because obviously that wasn't true. It is now though
 
two plus two is always four

James was a *** in the beginning of his career, not hard with a group of players reporting that he is a ******* now to form a educated conclusion.
 
Far short of a written guarantee, simply point out even a single teammate or 'close friend' in the Steelers organization that's come to Deebo's defense. I'm not talking about Tomlin and Ben taking the high road. Name a single player, coach or anyone else in the organization that's witnessed all this trash being hurled at Harrison and has stood up to say, stop! this is not who Deebo is, he wasn't doing these things or acting in this manner. I've yet to see a single instance of this. The silence has been deafening.

You're right Tibs I'm sure Big ben hates Harisson as much as anyone! They probably don't want to fuel the drama, what would they have to gain by coming out against Dupree, Pouncey etc? You think because of what 3 guys said to the media he has no friends on the team after that many years? What I said was many players probably think the orginization strung him along for no reason and he was justified in the way he acted. probably felt he deserved a little more respect from the orginization, similar to the way they handled Lebeau, Polamalu, poorly at the end.
 
All these Harrison haters are the same ones that wanted to kick Ben off the team for finger banging that little ***** in the bar - just so you know.
 
My opinion is based on 15 years of watching and reading about James Harrison, not 5 minutes of comments

I think it's gone a wee bit over your head most everyone here is a lifelong Steelers fan and has admired, loved and supported Deebo at least as much as you have. Harrison was by far one of my favorite players over the years. That's what makes this sting, to learn how destructive and childish his behavior has been. I've bought into the Steelers lore that veteran players were selfless and embraced their younger counterparts. Even those that were vying for their jobs. That's what made the Steelers what they were, a bit different than most other teams. I know Deebo was a mean SOB and wasn't going to cuddle anyone. But to see him shun someone like TJ Watt or even Dupree and Chickillo was really disappointing. In your view I'm jumping to conclusions based on a few comments. In my view you've got your head in the sand and refuse to see the writing on the wall. Harrison acted like a selfish prick most of the year and turned his back on the team and his teammates. That sucks and it makes me mad and dissapointed in a player I rooted for many years, I'm sorry.
 
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We can dwell on this all year long but I hopwle the players and coaches move on asap. This has already been to much of a distraction for them
 
Everybody loved Deebo until we learned he's an ******* to his teammates...he wouldn't even go to see Shazier in the hospital...**** that guy.
 
And if you think Harrison signed a $59K contract, you don't understand numbers.

He signed a $1M contract. One week is $59k. That's how you get that number. $1M divided by 17 weeks.

You're welcome.
 
How soon they forget...

https://247sports.com/nfl/pittsburg...-Harrisons-leadership-with-young-LBs-39216394

Coach Mike Tomlin recently praised Harrison for his leadership when working with the Steelers young outside linebackers, Jarvis Jones and Bud Dupree, along with second year inside linebacker Ryan Shazier. And while he's never been known to be a vocal leader, Tomlin says what Harrison does on a daily basis says more than enough.

“It’s more about what James does than what he says,” Tomlin said recently. “We continually try to remind him that there is a lot of weight in what he says. He can provide a lot of positive direction for young people with his words. James is not a big talker. He is more of a doer and I buy into that in a big way. When you watch him he provides a blueprint of how to go about day to day business on the field and off.”

Steelers linebackers coach Joey Porter, who played alongside Harrison for five seasons, also sees the impact Harrison is making on the young linebackers, and how Harrison's actions truly speak louder than words.

“He doesn’t really have to talk to the young guys if he doesn’t choose to, but that’s not him, he doesn’t take it that way. He’s actually helping them," Porter said recently. "He had those guys come with him to Arizona to train. I mean he extended the hand for them to get better, all they had to do was be receptive to taking it.”

It appears the Steelers young linebackers have done just that, evidenced by this recent photo of Harrison working out with several fellow linebackers. While they may be more than a dozen years younger, Harrison's work ethic has helped keep him ahead of the park and able to continue to compete with some of the greatest athletes in the world. It's that drive, leadership and work ethic that's led to Harrison's long-term success, and it's something he wants to use now as a way for his teammates to realize their full potential.

“It’s no question they gravitate to him,” Tomlin said. “Most of those guys grew up on him. Bud (Dupree) was probably sitting around in a onesie pajama set when he watched James run down that sideline in Tampa a number of years ago. They hold that type of regard for him. What he says and does, they try to mimic. That is just good, sharp ball for young people.”
this artical is over two years old. alot can sour in that time
 
this artical is over two years old. alot can sour in that time

Exactly. Two years ago, Deebo was “content.” It’s only when he felt like he wasn’t “getting his,” that he became a cancerous element in the locker room.

Even when you read this statement, particularly he one from Tomlin, you can see that he qualified his praise. As Tomlin tends to do when he speaks to the media, it seems like he was trying to send a message to Deebo, about the importance of veteran leadership (and how it can come in different forms).

Just imagine if Jerome Bettis has adopted a similar attitude when Fast Willie Parker came along. Instead he took Willie under his his wing, even though Willie was taking away some of his carries. Bettis did something similar with Ben. He adapted to his changing role, and went out on top.


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James is James. He's not my personal hero and I'm not disappointed because I never thought of him as a babysitter for rookies or admired him for his sweet personality. None of what they're saying really bothers or surprises me. For years all we heard about was his work ethic and leadership and now everyone's going to judge him by the comments of a few players on his actions of the last few months. Stuff gets exaggerated, we've already seen that one such comment was an exaggeration but we're going to take the rest as gospel.

Some of them don't like the guy, that's clear, Maybe he doesn't like them either. There are two sides to every story and I'm giving our veteran the benefit of the doubt.

Nailed it. All you ******* morons run around here calling James "Debo" without realizing that the embodiment of that character is stoic, quiet, and mean.

When an entire locker sells out a former teammate to the media the very second he walks out the door you can be assured that he was a first rate *******. Otherwise nothing ever gets said publicly.

Entire locker room? You mean a few of the most immature ****s on the team? Empty tin rattles loudest, real men keep drama in house, grown adults know a bit more about empathy and seeing things from another perspective. Bunch of children with a clueless HC along for the ride in cool shades.

One of Dupree's complaints was that Harrison didn't show him anything. Then in the same breath he said Harrison came in at 4:30am to workout and "what was he supposed to get from that, some people aren't morning people" lmfao. Like the article OFTB shared, Harrison leads by quiet example, he's never been outspoken and some people just aren't super social. The exact temperament you all slobber over Lambert for having. You know, the guy that hardly has anything to do with the team and keeps the **** to himself?

Harrison is one of the GOATs and he got there through relentless work ethic. He showed them how to get there by personifying quiet, hard work. You don't get to tell a mentor the way you want to learn, you stfu and follow his way and absorb it. Dupree wants to ***** but he wasn't willing to put in the work and show up on Harrison's time--really ******* early .

“He doesn’t really have to talk to the young guys if he doesn’t choose to, but that’s not him, he doesn’t take it that way. He’s actually helping them," Porter said recently. "He had those guys come with him to Arizona to train. I mean he extended the hand for them to get better, all they had to do was be receptive to taking it.”

Everybody loved Deebo until we learned he's an ******* to his teammates...he wouldn't even go to see Shazier in the hospital...**** that guy.

And this is another problem. All of you dunces take a few exaggerated headlines and suddenly it's MAYHEM. Think for yourself for once, read more than a headline. We know that the media is manipulative garbage that spins anything for a story, but that all flies out the window in the name of tribalism. Sports teams, political parties, whatever--logic disappears and if you're not with us you're against us.

James didn't visit with the other LBs but did visit with Pouncey. Somehow that turns into "JAMES REFUSED TO GO SEE A FALLEN WARRIOR BROTHER AND SPIT IN THE TEAM'S FACE!!!"
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Then when it comes out that he did go visit, who cares? "HE DIDN'T GO WITH HIS POSITION GROUP HE IS A CALLOUS PIECE OF **** THAT HATES HIS TEAMMATES!!!"

Okay, now let me try.
POUNCEY IS HUMAN TRASH. FIRST HE DOESN'T GO TO SEE SHAZIER WITH THE REST OF HIS BROTHERS ON THE O-LINE, BUT THEN HE HAS THE AUDACITY TO BRING MALCONTENT HATER HARRISON WITH HIM. DID HE EVEN CONSIDER HOW MUCH JAMES HATES THE REST OF THE LINEBACKERS???



The man is 40 and just wants to get on the field his probably final season. He was promised playing time before they knew that Watt was going to be phenomenal out of the box. He said he never would have signed if he had known he wouldn't get the 25% he was promised--nothing more. He's done a lot for the Steelers, even came back after they released him twice. Then when he wanted the team to do right by him, they strung him along and and wasted his season when he could've been playing snaps elsewhere. So maybe he started acting out to try and get released after having asked multiple times. They did him wrong and now they're letting the immature kids spout off to save face for the organization's poor handling of the situation. The Steelers aren't the biggest fanbase simply because the steel mills shut down and they were good in the '70s. The world has changed a lot and inciting tribalism is at the top of the list of ways to gain money, power, and support. They are tickled that "Steelers nation" is out there burning his jersey. We're all further entrenched in our homerific love of our team and now we gotta buy more jerseys.
 
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lulz sorry they didn't do Deebo wrong

yinz locked yourself into a love affair with Deebo, nevermind he has had plenty of incidents to show he was a piece of ****.

Did he do some great things for the Steelers? damn right he did

Is he a piece of ****?

damn right he is

*came into the league and was cut due to issues
* domestic violence issues
* wouldn't visit Shazier in the hospital
* wouldn't mentor the young LBers
* skipped some meetings
* took a pic with that cheating ****** knowing the Nation would hate it, and signed with them to be spiteful like a ***** would be that you cheated on

ignore the facts if you want to
 
The only thing he didn't do that he should have, was to place the text "It's nice to finally be around winners" on his picture with Brady.

He wasn't hired for his disposition, and we loved Lloyd for that. Harrison is from the same mold. He's his own man, and I respect what he did for this franchise. would have had the MVP if he didn't head slam that guy in the second half...
 
Dunces? Whatever ZoS. GFY.
 
Zack a couple of questions for ya:

- do you expect a player under contract to show up for all pratices and team meetings?
- do you expect a player under contract to show up for games and be with his team on the sidelines, active or not?
- do you expect players attending position meetings to be alert and attentive, showing a good example for others?
- do you expect veteran players to reach out to younger players at their position, lead by example and pass on insight and knowledge?
- do you expect a veteran player to accept his role on team, even if it's less playing time than expected?
- do you expect a player, regarless of experience and stature to put the team first and do whatever they can to help the team win ballgames? Even if it's in a supporting role?
 
lulz sorry they didn't do Deebo wrong

yinz locked yourself into a love affair with Deebo, nevermind he has had plenty of incidents to show he was a piece of ****.

Did he do some great things for the Steelers? damn right he did

Is he a piece of ****?

damn right he is

*came into the league and was cut due to issues
* domestic violence issues
* wouldn't visit Shazier in the hospital
* wouldn't mentor the young LBers
* skipped some meetings
* took a pic with that cheating ****** knowing the Nation would hate it, and signed with them to be spiteful like a ***** would be that you cheated on

ignore the facts if you want to

-What issues?
-Yeah, he slapped the mother of his children when he wanted to get his kid baptized. I won't defend that and never have. He went to counseling and they are still together. Greg Lloyd put a gun in his son's mouth and everyone loves him. Larry Fitzgerald hit his girl while she was holding their infant and then grabber her by the hair and slammed her face to the ground.
-Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit, seeing as I covered the hospital in the post you're quoting.
-Same as above. He tried showing them the way and the lazy children wanted something different.
-Skipped meetings after being promised playing time, not getting it, asking to be released multiple times, not getting that either. Like I said, he wants to get out there and play the last snaps he'll probably ever have a shot at. They told him he would have that, so he stayed! Then when it wasn't working out, he wanted to part ways, but they strung him along. I seriously wrote all this already.
-He cleared waivers. Nobody wanted him. The Pats called, he said he hesitated, but in the end he wasn't going to wait for the Steelers to maybe-but-probably-not call and give him snaps. I would too if I were 40. He loves the game and he isn't ready to stop getting snaps if he can.

Ignore the facts if you want to.


Dunces? Whatever ZoS. GFY.

Don't think I haven't tried. ;)

Zack a couple of questions for ya:

- do you expect a player under contract to show up for all pratices and team meetings?
- do you expect a player under contract to show up for games and be with his team on the sidelines, active or not?
- do you expect players attending position meetings to be alert and attentive, showing a good example for others?
- do you expect veteran players to reach out to younger players at their position, lead by example and pass on insight and knowledge?
- do you expect a veteran player to accept his role on team, even if it's less playing time than expected?
- do you expect a player, regarless of experience and stature to put the team first and do whatever they can to help the team win ballgames? Even if it's in a supporting role?

My answer would be yes to all of that, definitely! But the team has to hold up their end of the bargain as well. And in this instance, Harrison signed his contract under the pretense that he would be rotating in at only 25% in his likely final season of his career, his last chance at snaps (and lucky enough, for a meaningful team). Things changed and the team couldn't/wouldn't play him, so he asked to part ways and find snaps elsewhere. Instead of doing right by him and giving him the opportunity for snaps elsewhere, they said, "no, we have the leverage because we have our part of the deal on paper and you don't. It's just business, we can't let you go somewhere else! But we also can't play you even though we said we would. Now please, bend over and do right by us and be a good example for everyone, thanks. Stuff down the competitor in you, the thing we needed and used for your career with us. Better luck next life." They created the problem. Now they are saving face by letting the kids spout off to the media like "badasses".

It really comes down to whether you expect the organization to be as wholesome and loving as they pretend to be. You can't have it both ways. You can't expect the players to be all about the team, **** business while letting the team flake on being there for the players for business reasons. That's complete bullshit.


"On January 8, 2017, he recorded ten combined tackles, sacked Matt Moore 1½ times, and forced a fumble in a 30–12 AFC Wildcard victory over the Miami Dolphins."

So not even a year ago he was killing it in the playoffs for us. **** him for thinking he has more left and wanting to play.
 
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And if you think Harrison signed a $59K contract, you don't understand numbers.

He signed a $1M contract. One week is $59k. That's how you get that number. $1M divided by 17 weeks.

You're welcome.

Not gonna bet my life on it, but you're wrong. He signed for the vet prorated vet minimum. 59k. Should the Patriots win the SB he will make a little under 300k. That's it.
 
Not gonna bet my life on it, but you're wrong. He signed for the vet prorated vet minimum. 59k. Should the Patriots win the SB he will make a little under 300k. That's it.

I'll bet that should both the Cheats and Steelers make it to the AFCCG, there will be more than a few Steelers who find just a little bit more motivation to win in thinking that they will keep James from reaching the SB. And, I'm all for that!
 
-What issues?
-Yeah, he slapped the mother of his children when he wanted to get his kid baptized. I won't defend that and never have. He went to counseling and they are still together. Greg Lloyd put a gun in his son's mouth and everyone loves him. Larry Fitzgerald hit his girl while she was holding their infant and then grabber her by the hair and slammed her face to the ground.
-Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit, seeing as I covered the hospital in the post you're quoting.
-Same as above. He tried showing them the way and the lazy children wanted something different.
-Skipped meetings after being promised playing time, not getting it, asking to be released multiple times, not getting that either. Like I said, he wants to get out there and play the last snaps he'll probably ever have a shot at. They told him he would have that, so he stayed! Then when it wasn't working out, he wanted to part ways, but they strung him along. I seriously wrote all this already.
-He cleared waivers. Nobody wanted him. The Pats called, he said he hesitated, but in the end he wasn't going to wait for the Steelers to maybe-but-probably-not call and give him snaps. I would too if I were 40. He loves the game and he isn't ready to stop getting snaps if he can.

Ignore the facts if you want to.




Don't think I haven't tried. ;)



My answer would be yes to all of that, definitely! But the team has to hold up their end of the bargain as well. And in this instance, Harrison signed his contract under the pretense that he would be rotating in at only 25% in his likely final season of his career, his last chance at snaps (and lucky enough, for a meaningful team). Things changed and the team couldn't/wouldn't play him, so he asked to part ways and find snaps elsewhere. Instead of doing right by him and giving him the opportunity for snaps elsewhere, they said, "no, we have the leverage because we have our part of the deal on paper and you don't. It's just business, we can't let you go somewhere else! But we also can't play you even though we said we would. Now please, bend over and do right by us and be a good example for everyone, thanks. Stuff down the competitor in you, the thing we needed and used for your career with us. Better luck next life." They created the problem. Now they are saving face by letting the kids spout off to the media like "badasses".

It really comes down to whether you expect the organization to be as wholesome and loving as they pretend to be. You can't have it both ways. You can't expect the players to be all about the team, **** business while letting the team flake on being there for the players for business reasons. That's complete bullshit.


"On January 8, 2017, he recorded ten combined tackles, sacked Matt Moore 1½ times, and forced a fumble in a 30–12 AFC Wildcard victory over the Miami Dolphins."

So not even a year ago he was killing it in the playoffs for us. **** him for thinking he has more left and wanting to play.

listen you just excused all his ****** up actions for some bullshit reason to justify your undying love for the man

you are just as bad as the cheat fans that excuse cheating

My reading comprehension is just fine ********. I just didn't take stock in any of your gibberish.

Nobody is making you take your James Harrison figurine off of your pillow relax.
 
-What issues?
-Yeah, he slapped the mother of his children when he wanted to get his kid baptized. I won't defend that and never have. He went to counseling and they are still together. Greg Lloyd put a gun in his son's mouth and everyone loves him. Larry Fitzgerald hit his girl while she was holding their infant and then grabber her by the hair and slammed her face to the ground.
-Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit, seeing as I covered the hospital in the post you're quoting.
-Same as above. He tried showing them the way and the lazy children wanted something different.
-Skipped meetings after being promised playing time, not getting it, asking to be released multiple times, not getting that either. Like I said, he wants to get out there and play the last snaps he'll probably ever have a shot at. They told him he would have that, so he stayed! Then when it wasn't working out, he wanted to part ways, but they strung him along. I seriously wrote all this already.
-He cleared waivers. Nobody wanted him. The Pats called, he said he hesitated, but in the end he wasn't going to wait for the Steelers to maybe-but-probably-not call and give him snaps. I would too if I were 40. He loves the game and he isn't ready to stop getting snaps if he can.

Ignore the facts if you want to.




Don't think I haven't tried. ;)



My answer would be yes to all of that, definitely! But the team has to hold up their end of the bargain as well. And in this instance, Harrison signed his contract under the pretense that he would be rotating in at only 25% in his likely final season of his career, his last chance at snaps (and lucky enough, for a meaningful team). Things changed and the team couldn't/wouldn't play him, so he asked to part ways and find snaps elsewhere. Instead of doing right by him and giving him the opportunity for snaps elsewhere, they said, "no, we have the leverage because we have our part of the deal on paper and you don't. It's just business, we can't let you go somewhere else! But we also can't play you even though we said we would. Now please, bend over and do right by us and be a good example for everyone, thanks. Stuff down the competitor in you, the thing we needed and used for your career with us. Better luck next life." They created the problem. Now they are saving face by letting the kids spout off to the media like "badasses".

It really comes down to whether you expect the organization to be as wholesome and loving as they pretend to be. You can't have it both ways. You can't expect the players to be all about the team, **** business while letting the team flake on being there for the players for business reasons. That's complete bullshit.


"On January 8, 2017, he recorded ten combined tackles, sacked Matt Moore 1½ times, and forced a fumble in a 30–12 AFC Wildcard victory over the Miami Dolphins."

So not even a year ago he was killing it in the playoffs for us. **** him for thinking he has more left and wanting to play.

The teams end of the bargain is paying you with a ******* contract

nothing else is guaranteed.

They owed him nothing

nothing.
 
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