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Ok you Tomlin apologist

3 hours later.....still in stunned disbelief we sat Ben.......
 
Super Dave said:
3 hours later.....still in stunned disbelief we sat Ben.......
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I don’t know what is more flabbergasting, the fact that we sat him, or the explanation Tomlin gave for sitting him.
 
Roy92040 said:
I’m with you. Without Ben there is no flow. Maybe he was watching a different game. The game I was watching didn’t depict any ******* flow.


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Apparently you missed the steady stream of the Steelers pissing another season away...
 
Steeler Pride said:
So Cowher had no choice on who his QB’s were?
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Before Donahoe left he didn't have much say or Troy Edwards wouldn't have been drafted. But if you want to go back and show us the great QBs that could have been drafted be my guest. You can't just go get a QB. Especially when the owner is in love with the QB you have (Kordell).
 
Avoid_Lloyd said:
Ben needs to do what Rogers did to McCarthy, throw Tomlin under the bus in the media, get the media loving Brown to join in. I hate the new school going to the media with your beef thing, but I think the only way Tomlin gets fired and we salvage some of Ben's last years is for the francise to be publicly embarrassed by its stars over Tomlin.
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Dude, this town ******* hates Ben. He was 18-22 at the half and fans were on here bitching about him.
He threatened retirement two off seasons ago because he couldn't stand the attitude of the team. He got blasted for that by alot of fans and media.
He calls out Washington and the play calling a couple weeks ago, he gets blasted for that by fans and the media.

I used to think Bradshaw was an *** for never coming around, but now I see why, I wouldn't be surprised if Ben retired and gave a big F you to the fans and media.

Not that I disagree with you, but if he tried that, he might as well leave too

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I still want to know what cleats Boswell was wearing for that final kick. I would have bet cash money they didn't think to switch his cleats.
 
Well, if you're Ben Roethlisberger, after this season I think you'd really have to believe in your heart of hearts there's no way the Steelers sniff a championship for the foreseeable future. How could you honestly believe Tomlin et. al. could put together a team that could possibly go the entire distance.

If you want to ask if there's evidence Ben's game has slipped, it would have to be that he can no longer single-handedly make Mike Tomlin look competent.
 
Vader said:
Before Donahoe left he didn't have much say or Troy Edwards wouldn't have been drafted. But if you want to go back and show us the great QBs that could have been drafted be my guest. You can't just go get a QB. Especially when the owner is in love with the QB you have (Kordell).
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The only QB you could say he passed on (I'm not counting guys like Brady who were lucky finds) was Brees, but we picked like 16 and that would've been a big reach, and we did take Hampton.

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madinsomniac said:
Tomlin is an above average nfl coach... and he sucks... because pro sports treats coaching like some on the job training **** so 95% of coaches are crap that pass tgeir crappiness down
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That's true but it wasn't always like that. It used to be that you became a head coach only after years, sometimes decades of working your way up from position coach to coordinator and then having years of success as a coordinator.

Now every owner is looking for the young genius coach. Genius of course defined by being on an offensive staff that scored a bunch of points. Now won a bunch of games necessarily, but scored points.

Coaching used to be about teaching. Now it's all about play calling. That's all that gets rewarded. A coach who has teams with great fundamentals wins a bunch of games but maybe hasn't won it all gets pushed aside in favor of the guy who had that one nationally televised game where his team put up 40 and there was this awesome trick play.

More and more the game is focused on trickery and scheme. It filters down to college and even high school. Why not? You aren't allowed to practice football anymore anyway.

Sean McVey is the current genius. Let's see how long it takes before the team starts to unravel. Say what you want about Fisher, he was a terrible offensive coach but he built up the core of a really good team. The defense was top notch and he drafted Gurley and had a good OL and run game. His offensive ineptitude held Goff back. So when McVey takes over all he has to do is tweak the playbook and bit and the Rams are contenders.

How long does that last? I've seen it so many times when these guys take over and it's great at first but then that fundamental core deteriorates and a few years later, they suck.
 
Coryea said:
The only QB you could say he passed on (I'm not counting guys like Brady who were lucky finds) was Brees, but we picked like 16 and that would've been a big reach, and we did take Hampton.
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Hell the Chargers drafted him and still let him leave via FA. I know he was hurt but still. Also in 2001 the Steelers were coming off of a 13-3 season with Kordell. Again this was the year Heinz Field was open and Rooney made the "house that Kordell built" Statement. They weren't going to draft a QB.
 
wig said:
Well, if you're Ben Roethlisberger, after this season I think you'd really have to believe in your heart of hearts there's no way the Steelers sniff a championship for the foreseeable future. How could you honestly believe Tomlin et. al. could put together a team that could possibly go the entire distance.

If you want to ask if there's evidence Ben's game has slipped, it would have to be that he can no longer single-handedly make Mike Tomlin look competent.[/QUOTE}

The funny thing is from top to bottom this roster can win a Super Bowl that is what sucks having an imbecile like Tomlin and his band of buddies and morons like Porter,and Butler. Even just an everage competent head coach could win it all with this team and Ben
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Vader said:
Hell the Chargers drafted him and still let him leave via FA. I know he was hurt but still. Also in 2001 the Steelers were coming off of a 13-3 season with Kordell. Again this was the year Heinz Field was open and Rooney made the "house that Kordell built" Statement. They weren't going to draft a QB.
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I know, I've had this argument so many times before. I've gone back and looked at our drafts and there were no decent QBs near where we drafted in the first few rounds at all. Like I said I don't count those later round guys that every team passes on a few times.

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Vader said:
Hell the Chargers drafted him and still let him leave via FA. I know he was hurt but still. Also in 2001 the Steelers were coming off of a 13-3 season with Kordell. Again this was the year Heinz Field was open and Rooney made the "house that Kordell built" Statement. They weren't going to draft a QB.
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Now if we want to ***** about QBs, we should ***** about passing on Marino, imagine Cowher taking over a team with Marino at QB?

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If there is a Tomlin apologist left after this debacle I'd like to know who he is. I think we are pretty close to the point where most of not nearly all of the fans have woke up. The media is starting to understand it. Problem is the Steelers are sometimes stubborn about things and tend to feel they know better. Many times they do. I dont believe this is one of those times.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
That's true but it wasn't always like that. It used to be that you became a head coach only after years, sometimes decades of working your way up from position coach to coordinator and then having years of success as a coordinator.

Now every owner is looking for the young genius coach. Genius of course defined by being on an offensive staff that scored a bunch of points. Now won a bunch of games necessarily, but scored points.

Coaching used to be about teaching. Now it's all about play calling. That's all that gets rewarded. A coach who has teams with great fundamentals wins a bunch of games but maybe hasn't won it all gets pushed aside in favor of the guy who had that one nationally televised game where his team put up 40 and there was this awesome trick play.

More and more the game is focused on trickery and scheme. It filters down to college and even high school. Why not? You aren't allowed to practice football anymore anyway.

Sean McVey is the current genius. Let's see how long it takes before the team starts to unravel. Say what you want about Fisher, he was a terrible offensive coach but he built up the core of a really good team. The defense was top notch and he drafted Gurley and had a good OL and run game. His offensive ineptitude held Goff back. So when McVey takes over all he has to do is tweak the playbook and bit and the Rams are contenders.

How long does that last? I've seen it so many times when these guys take over and it's great at first but then that fundamental core deteriorates and a few years later, they suck.
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Our fundamental core has been deteriorating more and more as Cowhers guys began leaving, along with Tomlins success, we're down to one Cowher guy now

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SteelerSask said:
If there is a Tomlin apologist left after this debacle I'd like to know who he is. I think we are pretty close to the point where most of not nearly all of the fans have woke up. The media is starting to understand it. Problem is the Steelers are sometimes stubborn about things and tend to feel they know better. Many times they do. I dont believe this is one of those times.
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Bermuda stopped by briefly in one thread, don't remember which one.

That's about it.
 
wig said:
I still want to know what cleats Boswell was wearing for that final kick. I would have bet cash money they didn't think to switch his cleats.
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As thesteelecity correctly pointed out, Tomlin also could have called one of those timeouts he was so closely guarding, and allowed Boswell to get a feel for the exact spot he'd be kicking from. But I didn't even think of that at the time (although in my defense Tomlin had just put me through the emotional ringer), so how could I possibly expect any such forward thinking from this head coach?
 
Not using time outs properly is bad enough. I'm tired of wasting a minimum of one time out per half because we can't get the play/personnel in. It's ******* ridiculous, and it happens every game.
 
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