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I really think you guys are severely underrating the way a degree and connections you make from your association with a reputable school opens doors for you in life. I went to a small school for undergrad and saw my degree as a piece of paper. When I went to a school with a big alumni base and major connections in my state for grad school, I realized the power of that has more than measurable value. Mentors, interviewers paving the way for me, references, people helping to put me in positions to succeed, helping me get interviews for jobs when I needed one, etc. I have countless examples just PERSONALLY of the power of my degree from a well-known institution. And there are thousands just like me all over the place getting the same benefits. It's just different.


I was just speaking in general. I am sure what you are saying rings true. But some education one way or another is better than no education. Also certain fields are more in demand. So even in bigger schools they will need to choose the right career field......
 
Man, we could get into a whole lot of socio-economic stuff in regards to the two-way distrust between police and civilians in the inner city. It's not just black or latino folks who distrust/dislike police in the inner city. Plenty of white folks too. I can't say that I have the answers to fix all the problems. Hell, I probably don't have the answers to 99.5% of the problems. I know I'm for instituting a requirement that EVERY capable citizen from the age of 18 - 25 spend at least 2 years of service in either the military or job corps. You want folks to respect this country more? There's a tendency to respect that which you've had a hand in either protecting or building.

Job Corps or another trade school, or acquire a associate degree. Or one term in the military. If they drop out or fail, then they have to do the Military option for the last resort.

Stop dumb-ing down the curriculum. Reorganize the jails and prisons. They wouldn't be overcrowded when I was finished.
 
I agree with your sentiment Buckeye. But snopes is bullshit. But crime rates ate a lot higher in both the black community and Latino communities. And I do believe these are directly related to poverty. But if don’t have a job these days that’s on you they are tons out there. My employer in my area is the best paying and we are having a hard time getting people.

Also the dynamic needs to fixed where black families can raise there kids to respect cops and not fear them. This will only happen if both side make changes. I watch all those 48hr shows that are shot in tough inner cities. And everyone knows who did the killing but will not help because they hate cops. This is where we need to start. I hear and respect your opinions.
I will take Snopes over any far left or far right rag. Why? Because they cite their sources and you can follow the links for yourself.

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At no point did I say that I am "looking for a way out" of my loans. Your only real counterpoint is to put words in my mouth I never said and make me into a fake hypocrite that you can discredit? Come on dude. It's not about "me". I'm fine, I make bank. I'm pointing out the IMPACT of the student loan crisis on the whole economy, and why it is not simply a "So what?" crisis. It matters to EVERYONE, not just those of us who have the loans. And I'm definitely not saying I, or anyone else, think we should be "forgiven" or "get out" or whatever.
I assumed that your venom for previous generations and your passionate whining about the plight of millennials was a personal thing. It sure seemed like you were arguing for a way out for yourself and your fellow millennials. Since you make "bank", it's very commendable for you to whine so loudly for others. It's obvious that you don't think the market can adjust for these evil tuitions and loans, so what are you suggesting? By the way this is a typical liberal argument - its everyone's problem when some can't afford something. Nobody has to go to a school they can't afford, and take out loans they can't pay back. This crisis is just a symptom of the entitlement culture where "it isn't fair" if everyone can't afford everything they think is now some sort of right.
 
I really think you guys are severely underrating the way a degree and connections you make from your association with a reputable school opens doors for you in life. I went to a small school for undergrad and saw my degree as a piece of paper. When I went to a school with a big alumni base and major connections in my state for grad school, I realized the power of that has more than measurable value. Mentors, interviewers paving the way for me, references, people helping to put me in positions to succeed, helping me get interviews for jobs when I needed one, etc. I have countless examples just PERSONALLY of the power of my degree from a well-known institution. And there are thousands just like me all over the place getting the same benefits. It's just different.

If you go to Harvard and the person interviewing you went to Harvard, there's a good shot you're getting the job.

As far as payment for professors Sarge, I think you're a little high for compensation. My mother is a college professor. She has 2 doctorates, is the Department chair, and the Science and Tech Director all while starting the first Biotech program in our state. She earns $125/yr. Pretty modest for all she does.

You want to get above $200k in a University setting, you need to be Admin. Provost, Vice Provost, President/Dean. They're the ones that make bank. And the coaches for mens basketball and Football in D1 schools, but that's a whole other form of revenue right there.
 
But crime rates ate a lot higher in both the black community and Latino communities. And I do believe these are directly related to poverty. But if don’t have a job these days that’s on you they are tons out there. My employer in my area is the best paying and we are having a hard time getting people.
I also need to highlight this particular portion of your post. If we're talking about unarmed, non-threatening people being gunned down by police, what does the crime rate, poverty, or unemployment have anything to do with that? I do not think every person in this situation falls into these buckets. But even if they did, even if someone is poor, jobless, and has a rap sheet a mile long, if he is a free man and not threatening police, he does not deserve to die.
 
Job Corps or another trade school, or acquire a associate degree. Or one term in the military. If they drop out or fail, then they have to do the Military option for the last resort.

Stop dumb-ing down the curriculum. Reorganize the jails and prisons. They wouldn't be overcrowded when I was finished.

Why the hell would I want people in the military who don't want to be there. They cant get recruits because the ****** kids think its beneath them. And those are the people I don't want.
 
I also need to highlight this particular portion of your post. If we're talking about unarmed, non-threatening people being gunned down by police, what does the crime rate, poverty, or unemployment have anything to do with that? I do not think every person in this situation falls into these buckets. But even if they did, even if someone is poor, jobless, and has a rap sheet a mile long, if he is a free man and not threatening police, he does not deserve to die.

Most of the time they are fighting with the cops and resisting arrest because they have zero respect for cops. Do you really think cops get out of bed in the morning and say’s I think I will go shoot a black guy. Look at the 2-3 instances in the news recently with people saying cops were profiling them or assaulting them , when the cops video shows a completely different story. Everybody looking to get paid nowadays. Now a cops job has gotten even harder. How in the hell they get people to take the job I have no idea.
 
I also need to highlight this particular portion of your post. If we're talking about unarmed, non-threatening people being gunned down by police, what does the crime rate, poverty, or unemployment have anything to do with that? I do not think every person in this situation falls into these buckets. But even if they did, even if someone is poor, jobless, and has a rap sheet a mile long, if he is a free man and not threatening police, he does not deserve to die.

I agree he doesn't deserve that. Im appalled by a couple of the vids I seen the last couple years. I think cops deserve to be innocent until guilty. But I think there needs to be equal justice for all.

But I also agree with SC Stlr4life, Those cops are usually the ones immersed in the roughest neighborhoods. I think they get jaded and want to go home to their wives.
 
Most of the time they are fighting with the cops and resisting arrest because they have zero respect for cops. Do you really think cops get out of bed in the morning and say’s I think I will go shoot a black guy. Look at the 2-3 instances in the news recently with people saying cops were profiling them or assaulting them , when the cops video shows a completely different story. Everybody looking to get paid nowadays. Now a cops job has gotten even harder. How in the hell they get people to take the job I have no idea.


A lot of these video's claiming racism conveniently don't show the before footage.

I tell you, you have to give the media props. They have one race believing they are the viciim.

That was true at one, time. Not true now.

Every issue every color is encountering.

You have to wonder if sometimes it is so easily bought into, so that some can show their hatred towards the whites.
 
I think a very fundamental part of all of these discussions (police brutality, student loans, colleges, etc.) that we can ALL learn from, is understanding that other people experience life very differently than we do. It is not just a matter of adjusting a certain variable.

1) People who went to well-known schools with big alumni networks experience post-graduate life differently than those who went to smaller, lesser-known schools. Opportunities are more likely to land, personal networks are more likely to grow and help advance career prospects, etc. It's not sufficient for people with the same degrees from different schools to say "well we got the same degree, we accomplished the same thing, and our life experiences should be exactly the same, therefore you should always choose the more affordable option". It's just not an apples-to-apples comparison. And the cheaper school is not always the best option.

2) People who went to college and entered the job market in the 70s, 80s, early 90s, etc. do not experience life the same way people who entered later did. School costs were lower, debt was lower, less people were educated so white collar jobs had less barriers to entry and less competition for them so they were easier for college grads to land, entry level (white or blue collar) jobs paid much better, homes costed less, and healthcare costed less, etc. What does all this amount to? Prior generations could more easily be educated affordably, land a nicer job, and put more of their paycheck away. They could buy homes instead of forever renting, get married earlier without economic anxiety, raise children in a stable environment. Many millennials, no matter how hard they work, do not have this, or have to work many years to reach a place where this is feasible. So they buy homes later, get married later, the family unit in America suffers, etc. So it's easy for someone from those older generations to say someone is "whining" when all we are saying is that we don't have the same opportunities YOU HAD. But you didn't face these obstacles, so it's easy for you to point and say younger people are "whining". You do not have the same life experience. It is not sufficient to say "I went to college and I worked and I made it happen, you can too". Too many variables are different, the ENTIRE life experience is different. You simply cannot translate your life experience to someone else's, adjust the dates, and say "well hey you should have done it the same way I did". It doesn't work that way.

3) Here's an example we can all relate to or at least understand. Ugly people experience the world differently than beautiful people. When you're beautiful, people envy you, want to be around you, want to date you, laugh at your jokes, take you more seriously, think you're smarter, etc. When you're ugly, these things don't happen. Life is EXPERIENCED differently for ugly people vs beautiful people. I think we can all acknowledge that. So it's not enough to just say "hey ugly people, I got this girlfriend and this many friends and all I had to do was a, b, and c... and make these decisions, and treat people this way.." no. It just doesn't work that way. An ugly person and a beautiful person can make all the same decisions and do things exactly the same way in life and still have completely different life experiences.

4) Black people and white people have different life experiences in America. Especially in our prior history, but even now. There's a common phrase "we have to work twice as hard to get half of what they have". It's easy for white people to point and say "well I worked x hard, I made these decisions, and earned this living, anyone can". No, it simply doesn't work that way. Not every example is the same, and there are exceptions to everything, but as a general rule, a white person and a black person could have the same rap sheet, interact the same way with police, and still have totally different outcomes. I mean, how many white mass shooters do we see walk away unscathed and just put into prison? Meanwhile other people are beaten, killed, etc. If you can corral a mass shooter and put him in jail unhurt, you can do the same with a routine traffic stop, even if the person isn't the most respectful. Unfortunately, black folks are at the **** end of that often. It simply isn't enough to say that every black folk has to make the same decisions your white self made and he'll automatically have the same outcome as you. It just isn't a fair comparison as the outcomes still rely heavily on how a person is perceived and treated by OTHER people.

There are MANY more examples out there of how different people experience life in different ways. We ALL have our own unique experiences and we have all viewed the world in our own unique way, different from everyone else, based on our experience. If there's anything we can take away from discussions like this, it's that it is just not enough for two different people to make all the same decisions in life, treat people the same way, etc. and expect to have the same outcome. It is not fair to assume that because someone didn't have a similar outcome as you, that they must not have made as good of decisions as you made. There are simply too many variables out there that affect how we all experience the world, and unfortunately our own efforts, our own hard work, and our own decisions are just one of those variables.
 
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I agree he doesn't deserve that. Im appalled by a couple of the vids I seen the last couple years. I think cops deserve to be innocent until guilty. But I think there needs to be equal justice for all.

But I also agree with SC Stlr4life, Those cops are usually the ones immersed in the roughest neighborhoods. I think they get jaded and want to go home to their wives.

Some are ****** cops. Some are knee jerk reactions to being treated like ****. Some are scared, and react poorly.

Not sure why people think that any profession doesn't have it's bad seeds. But you don't hate the majority based on the actions of a few.

If that would be the case I would hate blacks for being jumped in Job Corps. And seeing the few whites that were there, constantly jumped.

Or the time I was stabbed on the street. My arm saved something that could have been more serious.

But I was smart enough to know it was a situation of a few ignorant. Not a race of ignorance.

I hear stories of someone pointing a finger at a incidence. And use it as a excuse to hate.

But there is ****** up people in every color.

When a group of finger pointers realize that, there might be a little less hate going around.
 
I think a very fundamental part of all of these discussions (police brutality, student loans, colleges, etc.) that we can ALL learn from, is understanding that other people experience life very differently than we do. It is not just a matter of adjusting a certain variable.

1) People who went to well-known schools with big alumni networks experience post-graduate life differently than those who went to smaller, lesser-known schools. Opportunities are more likely to land, personal networks are more likely to grow and help advance career prospects, etc. It's not sufficient for people with the same degrees from different schools to say "well we got the same degree, we accomplished the same thing, and our life experiences should be exactly the same, therefore you should always choose the more affordable option". It's just not an apples-to-apples comparison. And the cheaper school is not always the best option.

2) People who went to college and entered the job market in the 70s, 80s, early 90s, etc. do not experience life the same way people who entered later did. School costs were lower, debt was lower, less people were educated so white collar jobs had less barriers to entry and less competition for them so they were easier for college grads to land, entry level (white or blue collar) jobs paid much better, homes costed less, and healthcare costed less, etc. What does all this amount to? Prior generations could more easily be educated affordably, land a nicer job, and put more of their paycheck away. They could buy homes instead of forever renting, get married earlier without economic anxiety, raise children in a stable environment. Many millennials, no matter how hard they work, do not have this, or have to work many years to reach a place where this is feasible. So they buy homes later, get married later, the family unit in America suffers, etc. So it's easy for someone from those older generations to say someone is "whining" when all we are saying is that we don't have the same opportunities YOU HAD. But you didn't face these obstacles, so it's easy for you to point and say younger people are "whining". You do not have the same life experience. It is not sufficient to say "I went to college and I worked and I made it happen, you can too". Too many variables are different, the ENTIRE life experience is different. You simply cannot translate your life experience to someone else's, adjust the dates, and say "well hey you should have done it the same way I did". It doesn't work that way.

3) Here's an example we can all relate to or at least understand. Ugly people experience the world differently than beautiful people. When you're beautiful, people envy you, want to be around you, want to date you, laugh at your jokes, take you more seriously, think you're smarter, etc. When you're ugly, these things don't happen. Life is EXPERIENCED differently for ugly people vs beautiful people. I think we can all acknowledge that. So it's not enough to just say "hey ugly people, I got this girlfriend and this many friends and all I had to do was a, b, and c... and make these decisions, and treat people this way.." no. It just doesn't work that way. An ugly person and a beautiful person can make all the same decisions and do things exactly the same way in life and still have completely different life experiences.

4) Black people and white people have different life experiences in America. Especially in our prior history, but even now. There's a common phrase "we have to work twice as hard to get half of what they have". It's easy for white people to point and say "well I worked x hard, I made these decisions, and earned this living, anyone can". No, it simply doesn't work that way. Not every example is the same, and there are exceptions to everything, but as a general rule, a white person and a black person could have the same rap sheet, interact the same way with police, and still have totally different outcomes. I mean, how many white mass shooters do we see walk away unscathed and just put into prison? Meanwhile other people are beaten, killed, etc. If you can corral a mass shooter and put him in jail unhurt, you can do the same with a routine traffic stop, even if the person isn't the most respectful. Unfortunately, black folks are at the **** end of that often. It simply isn't enough to say that every black folk has to make the same decisions your white self made and he'll automatically have the same outcome as you. It just isn't a fair comparison as the outcomes still rely heavily on how a person is perceived and treated by OTHER people.

There are MANY more examples out there of how different people experience life in different ways. We ALL have our own unique experiences and we have all viewed the world in our own unique way, different from everyone else, based on our experience. If there's anything we can take away from discussions like this, it's that it is just not enough for two different people to make all the same decisions in life, treat people the same way, etc. and expect to have the same outcome. It is not fair to assume that because someone didn't have a similar outcome as you, that they must not have made as good of decisions as you made. There are simply too many variables out there that affect how we all experience the world, and unfortunately our own efforts, our own hard work, and our own decisions are just one of those variables.

It comes across that you are saying a black man has it harder than a white man in America. And if that is what you are saying here I call bullshit.
 
It comes across that you are saying a black man has it harder than a white man in America. And if that is what you are saying here I call bullshit.
Not exactly. What I'm saying is that there are too many variables in our lives to say that other people should enjoy the same outcomes we all enjoy as long as they make the same decisions and work as hard we do. And yes, race is one of those variables. If ALL things were equal, literally if you could create a set of conditions where two people had all the same advantages/disadvantages, the same financial situation, the same neighborhood, the same life growing up, etc. and the ONLY thing you changed is one is white and one is black? Then yes I'd bet the farm that the black person will have a tougher time in a lot of ways due to the way he is perceived and treated by many people out there who could very well have an impact on his life.
 
It comes across that you are saying a black man has it harder than a white man in America. And if that is what you are saying here I call bullshit.

And before anyone accuses me, I'm not saying there aren't counterexamples or exceptions. Of course there are. There are extraordinary people (or extraordinarily ******) people who buck trends all the time. Life isn't predictable, I'm not talking hard and fast rules here. I'm talking general trends.

Mike Tomlin isn't going to lose every single game to the below .500 teams, but you don't like the trend, right? ;)
 
Not exactly. What I'm saying is that there are too many variables in our lives to say that other people should enjoy the same outcomes we all enjoy as long as they make the same decisions and work as hard we do. And yes, race is one of those variables. If ALL things were equal, literally if you could create a set of conditions where two people had all the same advantages/disadvantages, the same financial situation, the same neighborhood, the same life growing up, etc. and the ONLY thing you changed is one is white and one is black? Then yes I'd bet the farm that the black person will have a tougher time in a lot of ways due to the way he is perceived and treated by many people out there who could very well have an impact on his life.

I don't buy it sorry. I know what is available to every color. The programs, opportunities etc. It isn't race restricted.

People decide their own fate. By their choices. Sometimes ****** parents don't help mind you, but even then a person can overcome. I am the white version of that.

And along the way I know what held me back was my poor choices. No matter what influenced those choices. It was still a choice.

A black,hispanic, white, etc. all have equal opportunity.

Try hard, work hard, and that old American ideal that anything is possible rings true.

Be lazy or make bad choices and you get the opposite.


Color has nothing to do with that.

Now obviously certain neighborhoods, have a harder time of it.

But there is always the pavement. beat feet.
 
And before anyone accuses me, I'm not saying there aren't counterexamples or exceptions. Of course there are. There are extraordinary people (or extraordinarily ******) people who buck trends all the time. Life isn't predictable, I'm not talking hard and fast rules here. I'm talking general trends.

Mike Tomlin isn't going to lose every single game to the below .500 teams, but you don't like the trend, right? ;)

Trends huh? What race trends to be the most violent?

Perhaps that trend is the root of the problem.............
 
Trends huh? What race trends to be the most violent?

Perhaps that trend is the root of the problem.............

And you wonder why I think a black person would have a tougher time than a whites person with all other factors being equal based on how he is perceived by others...................


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And you wonder why I think a black person would have a tougher time than a whites person with all other factors being equal based on how he is perceived by others...................


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that is how a statistical report perceived it. I read that a while ago..........
 
And before anyone accuses me, I'm not saying there aren't counterexamples or exceptions. Of course there are. There are extraordinary people (or extraordinarily ******) people who buck trends all the time. Life isn't predictable, I'm not talking hard and fast rules here. I'm talking general trends.

Mike Tomlin isn't going to lose every single game to the below .500 teams, but you don't like the trend, right? ;)
Tomlin sucks.
 
that is how a statistical report perceived it. I read that a while ago..........

A single variable analysis would tell you violent crime is committed disproportionately by black folks, yes that's true.

But when you enter poverty into the equation as another variable, you see it's a much better predictor than race. When you control for poverty, this is what you find:
https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=5137
The overall pattern of poor persons having the highest rates of violent victimization was consistent for both whites and blacks.
Poor urban blacks (51.3 per 1,000) had rates of violence similar to poor urban whites (56.4 per 1,000)

So when you control for poverty (an obvious predictor of violence) actually white people are MORE violent.This idea of a "violent subculture" or "inherent quality of violence" of black folks is not only racist, but it's just wrong.

And on top of that, violent crime and murderous police are two different issues. Nobody is protesting police killing murderers. They are protesting police killing unarmed people who may or may not have ever done anything wrong. Then getting away with it scot free. Both issues are in need of solutions, and both have people actively working to try to make things better. But one argument I cannot, and will not, accept is that unarmed people murdered by police must have somehow deserved it or brought it on themselves because they share a skin tone with people you are afraid of because you've read some misleading violence crime statistics. To me, that is not a matter of "disagreement" it is simply not correct. A society allowing its police to get away with punishing people disproportionately and violently simply because their skin color "associates" them with other people who have committed crimes, and it makes them afraid, is the definition of racist.

If you can stomach it, I will leave you with a good article breaking it down way better than I can: https://www.theroot.com/why-we-never-talk-about-black-on-black-crime-an-answer-1819092337
 
This idea of a "violent subculture" or "inherent quality of violence" of black folks is not only racist, but it's just wrong.

I didn't separate their level of education or poverty level. You can't take either out of the equation.

Nothing racist breaking down statistics. They read as they read. I realize circumstance plays a part.

And America isn't beating down the door to change it.

Nobody would be happy with any unarmed man getting shot down.

That article was written by a man whose best interest was color based. No way it could be rose color glassed whatsoever.

Article even points to the majority of murders of black men, are black on black.


So we can go around and around on this. But yes of course when you are poor you are more apt to commit crime.

With the opportunities out there why is one race poorer than the other?

Effort? Upbringing? School system being dumb-ed down?

Whatever you want to point the finger too, that is what needs changed.


On the other side of the coin, I would like to see drug users released from jail/prison. If that was their only crime.

Because we know records handcuff people for getting jobs.

Another angle we can ask ourselves is do cops patrol poor areas more? Knowing the likelihood of a higher crime rate?

Because stats indicate that they do.

This whole thing is sort of like the chicken and egg which comes first.

But to break this pattern, the poor neighborhoods have to break their trends.
 
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Race/Ethnicity % of US population % of U.S. incarcerated population
White (non-Hispanic) 64% 39%
Hispanic 16% 19%
Black 13% 40%

So by population compared to crime percentage, it shows that blacks are committing crimes at a higher rate.


Another stat.I hope I am not perceived to be racist by reading it and copying it here.
 
I don't like the anecdotal example of getting into a career without a degree given years of experience. I question whether you are the exception or the norm. That tells me you are of an older generation where, when you were entering, there weren't the stringent education requirements and HR software filtering you out from the applicant pool if you don't have the experience. In the past, it was much easier to "get your foot in the door" through networking, showing a skill, etc without the proper education, then "grandfathering" your way into positions that NOW require degrees. I know one person in a similar situation as you and she makes less than her coworkers because of the lack of degree. But just to get in the door, everything is automated and software based now, and the millennials entering the workforce were so plentiful, employers do not have to "take a chance" on an uneducated person because there are hundreds of people with the required education applying for the same position. It is simply not feasible anymore. I understand there may be some one off examples of that here and there, not saying it's impossible, but it's not a "plan". You shouldn't base your future around the off-chance that that situation might possibly be happen for you. Hope is not a strategy.

I got this job in 2016. So no, I am not of an older generation that got grandfathered or was hired before stringent education requirements were put in place. As I said in a previous post, the degree requirement was waived because of my experience. I went through a hiring process that took nearly a year. Multiple interviews, multiple drug tests, a physical, a detailed background check, multiple resume rewrites, a resume validation for salary, and on and on and on. There are literally jobs everywhere right now. Some awesome, some not. Employers are willing to waive requirements left and right to hire people. I guess a person just has to decide if they want to do that work, and since companies are struggling to hire people, I would say not.

I do agree with the second half of your post that schools charge ridiculous amounts because they can, and for various reasons. It's a racket and it's not right. But yes you're right, at some point we have to make practical choices. I did my best to do that for my education, taking some reasonably cost effective options for my degrees (relatively), and I'm still paying more than my car payment every month. Sure I could have taken the risk of going to a less prestigious university, but then the doors would not have opened for me that did. I would not have been able to network the way I have. So I don't think it's just about "the trophy child" (although that is really the parents' fault, and the KIDS are STILL getting screwed). There really is a demonstrable difference to employers, who are choosing between hundreds (thousands?) of applicants. Do you want to take the risk that the tiebreaker that costs you your dream job is because you went to community college and the other person you're going up against went to Harvard? Companies deal with so many applications, so many candidates, they don't "know" you, they don't have the time or resources to go out of their way to interview and get to know every candidate. They need to use the data they have, and which school you went to is a major data point when you are first entering the job force. And even if the best school you can get into is a "cheaper" option (relatively), cheaper than RIDICULOUS still isn't a guarantee that the cost is affordable or reasonable. Just because the alternative is WAY WORSE, doesn't mean the cheaper option still isn't going to cause some hardship after graduation.

But yes as you said, I respect your point of view and I appreciate the discussion. This is something I feel really strongly about so we may not agree, but I'm happy to read your point of view

Even state schools can open doors. Most every program at every college is connected to people of import in some way that can help those in the program to network and open doors when they come out of college. Sure, some are better than others. But if you feel the need to attend some big important private school knowing the cost of education today, that is on you. Part of that bill you are paying is probably for the doors it opened for you. Nothing in America is free.
 
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