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NFL’s Proposed National Anthem Rules: Penalties for Kneeling Being Considered

Could someone post links to NFL players working in the off season to protest? You know, show how so and so player went out into the community to work on police reform? Or to lead a protest in his city?

Anyone?

Cuz all I"m seeing is a bunch of overpaid athletes demanding the right to disrespect our flag to "protest" when in reality I don't see any of them using their free time to do anything to fix the "problem" (which isn't a problem).

Thanks.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Could someone post links to NFL players working in the off season to protest? You know, show how so and so player went out into the community to work on police reform? Or to lead a protest in his city?

Anyone?

Cuz all I"m seeing is a bunch of overpaid athletes demanding the right to disrespect our flag to "protest" when in reality I don't see any of them using their free time to do anything to fix the "problem" (which isn't a problem).

Thanks.
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The thing is they are out there. I dont think most of them do it so some internet guy will give him props. They do it because they want to...but keep looking dude. They are out there.
 
stillwright said:
The thing is they are out there. I dont think most of them do it so some internet guy will give him props. They do it because they want to...but keep looking dude. They are out there.
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I'm not looking for props. I'm looking for any real evidence that any of them that insist on kneeling during our national anthem are doing anything on the day to day when the cameras aren't on them. I can find no evidence that they are, and I suspect this is much ado about nothing. It's spotlight diva crap and when push comes to shove and we take a look at these guys who insist this is such a major issue, they are doing little to nothing with their "free" time to address the situation.

So I'm looking for real evidence.

I suspect if Kaepernick had made some difference, had donated money, had worked with a local police force we WOULD hear about it. All we hear about is their right to kneel. Where is the evidence that these guys care more than on Sunday's when the cameras are on them?

To me it's the equivalent right the moment of hashtag social justice warriors. Show me some proof they do "something" beyond kneeling.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Paul Zeiss on 93.7 The Fan had an excellent idea last night. Teams simply stay in the locker room until after the national anthem. Takes the issue away from both sides of the argument.

I like it. Go ahead and kneel for the NA in the locker room if you want. The public won't see you so **** you and your opinion.
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Exactly what I thought. As I said, I hope the Steelers do it that way, just to avoid the hassle. If all teams would do it, there would be nothing to talk about anymore.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
There most definitely is a difference. Except for the fact that the NFL "REQUIRED" the players to participate in the ceremonies before the protests. And then, when the protest bonfire started raging, changed it up. Personally, I could care less how this all plays out other than a curiosity regarding the Constitutional issues at play. I would also imagine the fact that the NFL allowed Tebow to take a knee several times in protest of abortion will come into play. It should all be interesting should the NFLPA sue.
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No, the NFL is only now requiring that players participate. The NFLPA would have to successfully argue that standing for the Anthem is itself a political activity... likely while standing in a courtroom with an American flag.

Oh, and Tebow was protesting abortion? Never heard that before.
 
Troglodyte said:
No, the NFL is only now requiring that players participate. The NFLPA would have to successfully argue that standing for the Anthem is itself a political activity... likely while standing in a courtroom with an American flag.

Oh, and Tebow was protesting abortion? Never heard that before.
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Are you suggesting that standing for the Anthem at a game or in a courtroom is a political activity?
 
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Tim Steelersfan said:
I'm not looking for props. I'm looking for any real evidence that any of them that insist on kneeling during our national anthem are doing anything on the day to day when the cameras aren't on them. I can find no evidence that they are, and I suspect this is much ado about nothing. It's spotlight diva crap and when push comes to shove and we take a look at these guys who insist this is such a major issue, they are doing little to nothing with their "free" time to address the situation.

So I'm looking for real evidence.

I suspect if Kaepernick had made some difference, had donated money, had worked with a local police force we WOULD hear about it. All we hear about is their right to kneel. Where is the evidence that these guys care more than on Sunday's when the cameras are on them?

To me it's the equivalent right the moment of hashtag social justice warriors. Show me some proof they do "something" beyond kneeling.
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Sad thing is the media hypes up what it wants people to see. On both sides of the issues....for one thing and one thing only. Just sad really. And we all fall into the trap.
 
stillwright said:
Sad thing is the media hypes up what it wants people to see. On both sides of the issues....for one thing and one thing only. Just sad really. And we all fall into the trap.
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NO,.........NOT all.



Salute the nation
 
Drink IRON City said:
NO,.........NOT all.



Salute the nation
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I will disagree. The media has its fingers on everything we all see. Tells stories for some to be outraged about. Then shows other stories to get the opposite side all up in arms. It is in our every day lives on every subject. Just how it is.
 
The NFL players soon will be wearing shorts on the field and be exactly how the NBA is. Spend more time on demonstrations from their private agenda, to rain dances in the end zone. Hey how about learning you position and play it at the same energy done on all the excess crap.
 
Protest before or after the anthem if they wish. I have no heartburn with it. Doing it during the anthem is naked disrespect and an attempt at provocation. If it is indeed a protest it hurts their cause because it turns people off from listening to it. There is a quote that covers it.

“Your actions speak so loudly, I can not hear what you are saying.”

― Ralph Waldo Emerson
 
stillwright said:
Sad thing is the media hypes up what it wants people to see. On both sides of the issues....for one thing and one thing only. Just sad really. And we all fall into the trap.
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What planet are you from? Remember the media IS the left.

It hypes up, and makes allegations on a whim on issues that affect the right, while serious wrongdoings from the left that don't need hyped go unreported.

I apologize if I misunderstood what you are saying.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Could someone post links to NFL players working in the off season to protest? You know, show how so and so player went out into the community to work on police reform? Or to lead a protest in his city?

Anyone?

Cuz all I"m seeing is a bunch of overpaid athletes demanding the right to disrespect our flag to "protest" when in reality I don't see any of them using their free time to do anything to fix the "problem" (which isn't a problem).

Thanks.
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Sure, let's begin with the guy who started all of this. While it's not "protesting", I'd suggest that putting his money ($1 M of it) where his mouth is satisfies your request.
As for the "problem" not being a problem .. I guess it wouldn't be for you or your kids. However, when black folks are getting shot for picking up a toy gun in Walmart (not illegal and only one example), I see that as a problem.

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/1/31/16935356/colin-kaepernick-donate-organizations-million-dollar-pledge-10-for-10
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Could someone post links to NFL players working in the off season to protest? You know, show how so and so player went out into the community to work on police reform? Or to lead a protest in his city?

Anyone?

Cuz all I"m seeing is a bunch of overpaid athletes demanding the right to disrespect our flag to "protest" when in reality I don't see any of them using their free time to do anything to fix the "problem" (which isn't a problem).

Thanks.
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Here's some more examples of black NFL players giving back to their communities and working to make a difference when they're not on the field. Want some more? Or, are you just going to find a reason to discount these and push the agenda that it doesn't happen? I mean, I can go down the list and post links all day that I find on Google. Your assertion is not fact based in any way shape or form.

https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/29/16375378/nfl-players-charity-donations-jj-watt-hurricane-harvey-patrick-peterson-foundation
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Could someone post links to NFL players working in the off season to protest? You know, show how so and so player went out into the community to work on police reform? Or to lead a protest in his city?

Anyone?

Cuz all I"m seeing is a bunch of overpaid athletes demanding the right to disrespect our flag to "protest" when in reality I don't see any of them using their free time to do anything to fix the "problem" (which isn't a problem).

Thanks.
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Heck, some of these players even testified before Congress in regards to police brutality and improving relations between police and minorities. Imagine that .. using their free time to do someting to fix the "problem" (which IS a problem)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/nfl-players-testify-about-improving-community-police-relations-n740761

I know you won't admit that you didn't even take the time to Google the possible responses to your statement/question ... but, I hope these are enough for you. Have a good day Sir .. and enjoy your privilege.
 
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SCSteeler4life said:
How about some of those "Privileged" NFL players show up in Chicago for a summit with Rahm and demand he do something about the weekly massacre's in the street's of Chicago ? How bout take knee for that. Can't do that can they, nothing political to be gained.

http://chicago.homicidewatch.org/20...t-25-wounded-in-holiday-weekend-gun-violence/
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What does that have to do with anything. Two entirely separate matters. They dont coincide in any way. Its an issue but has nothing to do with the protest. Trying to connect the two is no different then people trying to connect kneeling with disrespect of the flag. Its avoidance plain and simple. Time and time again they have said itsnot disrespect its a way to grab attention to focus on a issue. But people wont move on from the protest to focus on the issue. When will that part happen? Maybe they will stop when the focus shifts to the issue they are trying to illuminate.
 
antdrewjosh said:
What does that have to do with anything. Two entirely separate matters. They dont coincide in any way. Its an issue but has nothing to do with the protest. Trying to connect the two is no different then people trying to connect kneeling with disrespect of the flag. Its avoidance plain and simple. Time and time again they have said itsnot disrespect its a way to grab attention to focus on a issue. But people wont move on from the protest to focus on the issue. When will that part happen? Maybe they will stop when the focus shifts to the issue they are trying to illuminate.
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Just shows how hypocritical the whole outrage is. When Kap wore the pig socks he showed his true colors. He is a cop hater plan and simple. If he worried about black men dying in the streets at the hands of anybody cops or gang members he would be speaking out on this issue. Funny you don't hear a single word from any athlete or celebrity do you.
 
scsteeler4life said:
just shows how hypocritical the whole outrage is. When kap wore the pig socks he showed his true colors. He is a cop hater plan and simple. If he worried about black men dying in the streets at the hands of anybody cops or gang members he would be speaking out on this issue. Funny you don't hear a single word from any athlete or celebrity do you.
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both are issues..they are separate issues that both need attention
 
antdrewjosh said:
both are issues..they are separate issues that both need attention
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b-b-b-b-but WHAT ABOUT

tired of the uninformed opinions on here. It's one thing to disagree about how respectful an anthem protest is or isn't, and it's another to not even bother to look up facts ("why don't they do anything in the community?") and base your whole opinion on something you think is true, but isn't, and is easily Google-able.. or pull some whataboutism ("what about black on black crime!") to deflect from a real issue. It's a waste of breath to argue when people don't want to be honest about an issue or even acknowledge that an issue exists or is worth discussing.

Football only for me on here
 
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antdrewjosh said:
both are issues..they are separate issues that both need attention
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Only one is an issue and only one is deserving of attention.

There is no evidence that suggest that more blacks die at the hands of cops than whites or anyone else.

This **** started over a farce...the "hands up don't shoot" farce
 
AggieSteel said:
b-b-b-b-but WHAT ABOUT

tired of the uninformed opinions on here. It's one thing to disagree about how respectful an anthem protest is or isn't, and it's another to not even bother to look up facts ("why don't they do anything in the community?") and base your whole opinion on something you think is true, but isn't, and is easily Google-able.. or pull some whataboutism ("what about black on black crime!") to deflect from a real issue. It's a waste of breath to argue when people don't want to be honest about an issue or even acknowledge that an issue exists or is worth discussing.

Football only for me on here
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After reading your post I clearly see there are still issues that need work on.
 
I think the anthem protest is stupid. It accomplishes nothing. Completely symbolic, if it is that. Their message has been completely lost. If some of these men are in their communities making a difference, good on them. That will make more of a difference, even if it is only to one person.

The reason it really doesn't bother me is that you look at the people that are pissed, and they are just as disrespectful to the anthem. Perfect example: Last night before the hockey game. During the anthem, maybe a handful of people actually singing the whole thing, but when the words ".......gave proof through the night....." everyone screams "NIGHT" at the top of their lungs, you know, because Vegas Golden Knights. Caps fans all scream "RED" at the part ".......and the rockets red glare...." because the Caps mottos is "Rock the Red" and their home jerseys are red. Many people sit during the anthem, don't remove their caps, go get beer or food, shout obnoxious **** or go have a smoke. Happens at every game of every sport in America. Just as disrespectful in my book. I find it moderately hypocritical.
 
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